Kriton Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hey ya'll, In trying to figure out what this speaker that I have actually is, I have a request. It seems I may have picked up a pair of the maligned Heresy 1.5's, at least that is what it appears...the compliment of drivers is as follows: k77 metal horn square magnet tweet k52h screw on driver mated to a k700 metal mid horn k22E (I think) square magnet woofers E-2 crossover, on wood piece Butt-joined cabs with screw off back... First, is this the franken-speaker H1.5? Second, in the pair of H2's that I have, the crossover is mounted to the back of the plastic cap - what year did that start? Third, I have been told that the "E-type" crossover was the H1 and the E-2 was the H2 - how could they have used the E2 with the above driver compliment, and still have it sound correctly like an H1? Fourth, would any of our scholars be willing to conceive a permanent thread that would go through the applicable years of the various models of Heresies, Cornwalls, etc, and list the different years of production of different models, changes that were made to the drivers and crossovers, with numbers of drivers and length of production in that configuration? Maybe even a brief statement of the reason for the change and the success or failure of the modification? Even subtle changes would be historically important to vintage owners and collectors? I would be more than happy to lend any time necessary to creating this archive of knowledge and learn about the history of these things too...It would incredibly helpful. Thanks! K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Yes, that's kinda 1.5-ish. Should sound nice though. The K52 (should be bolt-on, not thread on though, correct?) and the K700 work well together. They might be toppier than a K55 unit as the K52 is smaller lighter diaphram. I'm not a crossover guru, but maybe they just used a different autoformer tap for this model. Klipsch was good as making small changes mid stream like that. I wouldn't change a thing other than maybe to swap caps. How's it sound?With the butt seams, you probably have BR type cabinet, the wood veneer ones were usually mitered. Is it Decorator by any chance? ( D in model number) The history thread might be difficult to conceive. I know that lots of the historical records at Klipsch are gone. The Cornwall history seems to be even more convoluted than the Heresy changeover. Hopefully they won't repeat those experiements with the change to HIII and LSII. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriton Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Mike, The mids are definitely screw on k700 metal horns, but now I am not entirely sure they aren't 53's instead of 52's, I will check when I get home... I really don't know what to think of these things...I got them way cheap for a fix up job ($200.00) about 1/4 mile away, and they are excellent shape, the guy never even took the grills off as far as I can tell...and he got them in the service overseas...Wife thought they were ugly.. As an aside, I don't get these wives, man. You met my wife...she was crawling on the floor in our living room last night helping me hook up balanced cable from amp to pre-amp for a couple of other Heresies as rear back effect speakers, stringing speaker cable all over the place, and seemed to actually *enjoy* it...certainly loves the sound. As far as I am concerned, there doesn't appear to *be* a WAF factor here... I will let you know what I discover this evening, and thanks for the reply... K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 "As an aside, I don't get these wives, man. You met my wife...she was crawling on the floor in our living room last night helping me hook up balanced cable from amp to pre-amp for a couple of other Heresies as rear back effect speakers, stringing speaker cable all over the place, and seemed to actually *enjoy* it...certainly loves the sound. As far as I am concerned, there doesn't appear to *be* a WAF factor here..." I remember meeting you two in Hope, she loves music, teaches it and is very conversational about it in all forms. I'm no expert at realtionships, but I guess you should consider yourself darned lucky. Does she have a sister? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 "Does she have a sister?" Hey colter your a little late on that one I asked that myself in Hope : ) Kriton has it made man a wife that loves music, appreciates klipsch, and hi-fi nervosa! "No waf factor" yeah try and find that in the personals!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Kriton, How about some pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriton Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Uh...pictures? My speakers or my wife? By the by, she is pretty fine - and the MA in opera performance goes a long way too. As a matter of fact, she has been telling me that she is laden with our first child, and the way the numbers are adding up, PWK may have had something to do with it in SEPTEMBER in Hope...now that is something! She won't let me name the child PW though, I already asked... Top that. K (Edited to change the month we were in Hope! I had forgotten, now that is bad!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Uh...pictures? My speakers or my wife? By the by, she is pretty fine - and the MA in opera performance goes a long way too. As a matter of fact, she has been telling me that she is laden with our first child, and the way the numbers are adding up, PWK may have had something to do with it in July...now that is something! She won't let me name the child PW though, I already asked... Top that. K CONGRATULATIONS BRUCE !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IB Slammin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 WAF factor? Note pix to the left. The "Old Hide" actually puts up with this pile of junk in her LR![6]Regards,TerryPS: Congrats!!!!! How about "Wilbur" or maybe "Bell"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriton Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Mike, thanks, I am still in denial - took me till I was 35 to get married the first time (her first marriage too - no other kids, etc.)due to my occupational mental block against successful marriage in any form, and I tried to explain to her that I have spent my entire post-pubescence trying *not* to get anyone pregnant, and it is kind of hard to just change directions. Slammin, aint that non-WAF thing niiiiceeee? I just have speakers and wires everywhere, she might not go for that monstrosity...!! Still, it looks mighty pleasin'... K ( Will try to get some picts of the frankenspeaker up tonight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Kriton, Ah hell how about pics of both! WOWEE congrats I didn't realize people did that on purpose! I think you should let the forum pick the name of your first born!!!!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 just a note ... Wilbur ...don't make it, even as a middle name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriton Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Ok, I am an idiot, lets just establish that, I was right out on the driver compliment, and I thought so earlier... These Heresy's have the following drivers: K77M tweeters with metal horn K52H driver screwed on to an k700 metal horn and K22E square magnet woofer with an E-2 crossover... Serial is 157Y569 I tried to get the picts up, but my batteries are nuts...but anyways, that is the story - what do I have? Thanks... Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 You have a Heresy I on its way to becoming a Heresy II. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Congratulations on baby on the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 That K52 is a sweet unit, heck I've got em in some of my CW's. Bob could probably give you more input on the K52 vs K55 driver. It's all good unless you have the 3/8" back board that rings like crazy. Do your cabs open from the back? If so, I'd recommend some foam around bottom and one side wall, and stiffen the back board. That's all for now. Maybe freshen caps. How do they sound???? Do you have a K55 pair to compare them to? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriton Posted December 5, 2005 Author Share Posted December 5, 2005 Thanks for the words of encouragement, the wife is doing fine; I am the one that needs serious professional help. The Heresy's sound good, I really had a hard time distinguishing from H1 and H2's in my less than perfect listening room. I have torn the H1's apart to redo the cabs, so I can't tell right now. The finish on them was some nasty dark laquer stain, that was left on wet too long and caused all sorts of crap to hard into the surface, so it is not smooth, you know what I mean? They will be very pretty when I get them done, I think...gonna paint/stain them black, after I get rid of the nasty brown stain best I can. If anyone sees any more drivers like these, let me know; I am curious what other opinions are... K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 If you're going the paint route, might I suggest doing a 'round over' on the edges first? Check out Tom Adam's. I think putting a radius on the outside edges, even if you just do the front-to-back edges does two things. 1. It gives a rounded surface which looks more interesting when light hits it, particularly if you use black paint 2. It makes those edges more 'ding proof' by not having a sharp edge where paint can wear off or be easily scraped. 3. You don't have to a perfect job of healing the edges prior to painting, a royal PITA. This could be easily accomplished by using a router bit with ball bearing guide or a router table.Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 Colter, I just saw a cool fix on the LansingHeritage forums. One of the members has some cabinets with some mashed edges. He used a router and cut a rabbet along the edge. He then glued in a new piece of hardwood ply, sanded smooth and then put veneer over it all. He said it was easier than building up the edges with bondo or other filler material. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 Here is the grills off the pair he fixed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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