kenratboy Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 As good as the new Synergy's are (see my sig, I have them), I have been wondering is there are any little improvements that can be made to them. For example, tapping the horn produces a quite hollow plastic 'ringing' sound - I wonder if you could 'better' things by covering the outside of the horn (as in, what is inside the cabinet, not where the sound waves are traveling!!!) with some sort of material to deaden it (think - roofing tar!) - could this clean up the sound by making sure the horn itself was not acting as a volunteer midrange driver (picking up and amplifying back waves from the woofers inside the cabinet?) Or, could additional or different internal stuffing do anything? Basically, I am trying to think of things that they may have wanted to have done, but to keep costs low, have chosen not to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenp1983 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Its interesting I saw that you have 2 b3's as your surrounds. This is just for my own curiousity why do you have those instead of the s-3's. I have your exact setup except I have the s-3's. So I was just wondering. Also how do you like your receiver. I'm still in the market for one as I just got my speakers and don't have a place for them at the moment. I'm kind of taking my time on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Because I'm better than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Oh, oh wait... The reason I went with them B3's is because I was more interested in music surround, and precision of surround (I am the only person that uses theis system, so everything is setup around ME and MY chair). However, in our downstairs system, I would actually go for something like the S1, 2, or 3's because there are people all over the place, and it is literally 99% TV/movies, and 1% music. The automatic setup on my receiver (see sig) did a AMAZING job. In 'The Incredibles', the part where the jet be being shot down, there is literally no surround speakers! The sound fluidly pans front to back, and side to side. There were parts where I swore I was in a movie theater where the walls were lined with surround speakers - there were sounds coming out of the walls HALF WAY BETWEEN THE FRONTS AND REARS! Another reason is I have them in positions that the S3's wouldn't have done as well in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebanonKlipschFan Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 The best way to mod them would be to sell them and buy referrence.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSport Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Perhaps you could talk with Bob Crites (BEC), Al K, Dean or Popbumper(sp) or any of those talented individuals here who like to hotrod the Chevy Small Block of speakers...(Klipsch!) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 The best way to mod them would be to sell them and buy referrence.... B&W 800 series (like 804/HTM 3/DS8/ASW875) may be in my future if some things go the right way [] I need to hear them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 You'll find a lot of threads about "rope caulking" the horns which is just what you're talking about....works wonders to deaden horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Interesting! Any links - or just a quick rundown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 go to your local hardware store and ask them where the rope caulk is. Then simply apply it all around the horn. Sadly the search function isn't working, but there used to be a ton of threads on it in Updates and Mods with pics and everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spkrdctr Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 If you buy B&W, you will be selling them to buy Klipsch in the near future. They are nice speakers, but still are not Klilpsch. The "you are there" sound will be gone....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 kenrat I remember someone added clay to the outside of the horn. Or how about actually taping the outside of the horn with some of that tape with the tape in it that holds damn well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 You want more out of them then replace the marginal but cost effective capacitors and coils in the crossover netowrks with Auricap Theta's, Kimber's, or Hovlands and you will see more improvement than you would by upgrading or changing a source component. If you can work a soldering iron and can place an order you should be able to handle it I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 Here is the front: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 And the back: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 I don't know the component names, but starting from the top: -The two non-inductive resistor things are labeled 10W2RJ -The yellow thing just below them is labeled 1.8uF J 100V JRD (are these caps? They are racetrack shape like those KEF woofers) -The iron core inductor thing has no markings -The black capacitor is labeled 15uF 100V -The air core inductor is labeled 0.3mH -The other yellow thing (bottom right) is labeled 15uF J 100V JRD Everything is glued on, so I don't know how easily it would come apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Ken, Lots of room for improvement on those networks for sure. Looks like a couple of resistors (white ceramic deals), a couple of coils and a few caps (yellow jobs). The only tricky thing is the replacement caps are going to be larger than the stock ones so you may have to get creative in placing them.Looks like you have most of the values, the inductors and coils should be OK I would get the caps replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spkrdctr Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 If your serious Ken, take some sound deadener material for car audio and conform it to your horn on the exterior, so it will be on the interior of the speaker. The caps could be replaced as has been mentioned. I would go with the cheaper sound deadener first, rather than the caps. Since the material is fairly thin, you can even line the interior of the cabinet. Once you do the cheaper things, I'd sit back and enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooting_monkey Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I seriously wouldn't be thinking about trying to get better sound out of Synergys when the last gen Reference stuff will be on clearance at a lot of online stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 If you knew what I paid for them, even clearance Reference is a magnitude more expensive - anyway, I HAVE the Synergy's, and it would be a pain to try and sell them. My next upgrade will be something like Heritage, THX, the mysterious Premiere series, etc. I have no interest in a incremental step. The reason I got the speakers I have is to hold me over until I can afford something that is hands down better - and disturbingly expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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