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hmmm...whatever happened to giving someone the benefit of the doubt? ------------------ Cary AE-25 Superampf>s> Sonic Frontiers Line 1f>s> Anthem CD-1f>s> Klipsch RF7'sf>s> MIT/Monsterf>s> "Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get out."f>s>c>

I wonder what he meant by 'instability'?f>s> ------------------ Cary AE-25 Superampf>s> Sonic Frontiers Line 1f>s> Anthem CD-1f>s> Klipsch RF7'sf>s> MIT/Monsterf>s> "Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get out."f>s>c>

last try Cary AE-25 Push-Pull Triodef>s> Sonic Frontiers Line 1f>s> Anthem CD-1f>s> Klipsch RF7'sf>s> MIT/Monsterf>s> This message has been edited by deang on 03-31-2002 at 09:13 PM

one more time Jeesh This message has been edited by deang on 03-31-2002 at 06:51 PM

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UBB code test again ------------------ Amplifier: Dennis Hadd AE-25 Push-Pull Triodef>s> Preamp: Sonic Frontiers Line 1f>s> CDP: Anthem CD1f>s> Speakers: Klipsch RF7f>s> Cables: MITf>s> This message has been edited by deang on 03-31-2002 at 11:00 PM

UBB code test This message has been edited by deang on 03-31-2002 at 10:59 PM

i just think you are partial to Bose because you haven't heard K-horns yet The 901 is the only speaker Bose makes that is even remotely listenable. It's produces a nifty effect. The 901 needs a good equalizer. There are no highs at all. You will also need a good sub, because there is little output below 50Hz. With a good equalizer and subwoofer, the 901 would do pretty good I think. The downside with the 901 is that since all the drivers are full range - intermodulation distortion is very high at realistic sound pressure levels. The Klipschorns would terribly embarrass the 901's in clarity, dynamics, realism, total output -- and all this, with very low levels of distortion. Colin is right -- it is apples and oranges here. Also, keep in mind that you are comparing a $1500 pair of speakers to a $6000 pair of speakers. If you want 80% of what the K-horn gives you at 1/3 of the price -- get some Klipsch RF7's. ------------------ dean

i printed out this read -- it's great my kids are homeschooled and are currently studying economics -- i have something 'extra' for them to read this week ------------------ dean

just relax and listen like you usually do couple of hours a day for a week is all it takes ------------------ dean

Sorry I got testy Sinatra - I was out of line Hey Ears - having heard the Cornwalls and owning the RF7's -- how would you describe the differences? As far as comments to the effect that one kind of speaker is better suited for HT and another for music -- well, I'm not buying into that. A speaker should be accurate. If it is -- it will do both equally well. ------------------ dean

well...they will produce more bass - but they won't sound better overall you need to start saving your money and get some SVS-ultras or a Klipsch RSW-15 what amp are you using with your RF7's? ------------------ dean

B&K 3140 is nice http://www.bkcomp.com/power.html ------------------ dean

Klipsch is still sold at many premium stores -- Carlin Audio in Dayton is one. The powered towers you heard (RP3 & RP5) are not made anymore. I would imagine if the subs were not set correctly they might sound less than perfect. The RB5's have been very well received with several postive reviews within the audiophile community. The RF3's were the best received speaker by audio consumers in 2000 and Klipsch sold tons. The new line does not sound like the old stuff - which is why I bought Klipsch after listening to Magnepans for 10 years. You did not say which towers you heard -- but the RP3 originally retailed for $1500 and the RP5 for $2000. Not 'cheap' by my standards. If you saw a 'low price' it is because they are discontinued models. Your post annoyed me. I compared the $800 RB5's to speakers costing $1500 and more. It dusted everything I heard. If you like that old horn sound -- buy Heritage. ------------------ dean This message has been edited by deang on 03-30-2002 at 07:53 PM

rothflol This message has been edited by deang on 03-30-2002 at 07:27 PM

the sound of KLF's send me into convulsions too ------------------ dean

mdeneen said: "Your RF7's are very narrow - which implies that you will get a great deal of reflected sound off the back wall." Please elaborate on this a little - I don't really understand the relationship between the width of the speaker and sound coming off the back wall. By 'back wall' do you mean the wall behind the speaker -- or the wall behind me? The wall behind me is waaay back behind me where the stairs are. I don't think I'm getting squat off that wall -- it's too far away. also -- do you have an opinion on how close I can get to my side walls? I was thinking if I spread them apart a little more (and toed them in accordingly), I might recover some of the bass I lost when I brought them forward. What do you think? Yea, I know -- try it and see but damn them things are heavy! ------------------ dean This message has been edited by deang on 03-30-2002 at 07:16 PM

Ah c'mon Josh -- this thread ain't that bad. I like a little flame -- as long as it ain't me being flamed! FLAME ON! ------------------ dean

Aren't you just the busy one! Jeepers. I really, really, like my Superamp. I can even live with the Chinese KT88's. It's such a quick sound. I don't know how else to explain it. My Bryston is sitting on the floor now on top of my Anthem. No one will buy them and I have absolutely no idea what to do with them. The last time I put the Bryston in the system it lasted but a 1/2 an hour. I guess I'm just hooked on the sound of all that even-ordered distortion. Someday I might even upgrade to amp that has even more distortion. GIVE ME DISTORTION!! ------------------ dean

You gonna kill yourself trying to lift a 95 LB speaker into that cabinet. I'm not even sure if those shelves can hold the weight without putting substantial strain on the joints. Two RF7's weigh almost 200 LBS. Add the RC7 and you're up to almost 250 LBS. I used RC7's in the L/R configuration for almost a year, and they are a dandy speaker. The only thing you will lose by not going with the RF7 is some low end extension and some dynamics (but not much). Since you have a sub -- the bass issue is mute for the most part. Also - RF7's in that cabinet would create substantial 'boom' for they definitely need some room to breathe. Three RC7's would not only sound great but I think it would look better also. I wouldn't stress over the port issue. There are two ports on the RC7 (behind each woofer) and they are fairly small in diameter. The ports are tuned to provide some extra extenion in the lower bass, and even with that -- they only go down to 45HZ. If you cross your sub at 80HZ -- the ports for the most part become a non-issue. If you are still concerned -- just buy some nice black acoustic foam at Radio Shack, cut it to size, and wall the back each shelf with it. If you take your time -- it would look really sharp. The ideal solution would be to get the RF7's and place them in front of the cabinet and deal with the inconvience of having to walk around them -- but that's me. Three RC7's would certainly bring the house down and they will definitely sound better than anything else you could possibly buy -- unless you got SERIOUS money. ------------------ dean This message has been edited by deang on 03-30-2002 at 06:39 PM

Per Mobile and Mdeneens suggestion -- I moved my RF7's 3 feet from the back wall and spread them out an additional 2 feet - they are now 8 feet apart and I am 11 feet away from them. Spreading them out in this way places them 27 inches from each side wall. They are toed in quite a bit, with the horns pointed right at my head. Image width is certainly tremendous, and the speakers have become completely invisible -- what a fry. I expected there to be a 'hole' in middle, but that is not what happened. At any rate -- in spite of the fantastic width of image -- the presentation is now a little more incisive than I prefer, and I am wondering if this is due to the speakers being moved so far out from the back wall -- I think that extra foot out cost me some bass -- which is accounting for the treble sounding a little more forward. Doesn't a ported speaker need to be closer to the back wall to get the proper bass output? I'm also wondering how close to the side walls I can go. With a horned speaker -- what is the proper setup formula? That is, if I'm 11 feet back -- how far apart SHOULD they be? I had always read that speakers should be 1/2 the distance apart from each other as you are away from them. This doesn't seem to be the case with horns. ------------------ dean ------------------ dean

I moved my RF7's 3 feet from the back wall and spread them out an additional 2 feet - they are now 8 feet apart and I am 11 feet away from them. Spreading them out in this way places them 27 inches from each side wall. They are toed in quite a bit, with the horns pointed right at my head. Image width is certainly tremendous, and the speakers have become completely invisible -- what a fry. I expected there to be a 'hole' in middle, but that is not what happened. At any rate -- in spite of the fantastic width of image -- the presentation is now a little more incisive than I prefer, and I am wondering if this is due to the speakers being moved so far out from the back wall -- I think that extra foot out cost me some bass -- which is accounting for the treble sounding a little more forward. Doesn't a ported speaker need to be closer to the back wall to get the proper bass output? I'm also wondering how close to the side walls I can go. With a horned speaker -- what is the proper setup formula? That is, if I'm 11 feet back -- how far apart SHOULD they be? I had always read that speakers should be 1/2 the distance apart from each other as you are away from them. This doesn't seem to be the case with horns. ------------------ dean This message has been edited by deang on 03-30-2002 at 05:42 PM

Klipsch found it impractical to market the product due to it's elaborate cabinet design and associated price. The drivers utilized in Reference however -- benefited directly from the R&D done for the project. Quite a bit of trickle down as I understand it. ------------------ dean

Isn't the Eico an integrated amp? I only ask this because your AE-25 is being used with the AE-3 preamp. My limited experience so far has shown me that a preamp has as much to do with the sound as the amp if not more. I was running my Superamp with just a volume control the first week I had it. When I put my Sonic Frontiers Line 1 in the loop - there was a dramatic change in signature. The sound wasn't as incisive and I felt it was better balanced from top to bottom. My guess is the Eico is a little rolled off at the top which is taming that awful Heritage treble ------------------ dean

They say you flip the switch on the back of the sub and the setting that sounds the 'loudest' is the proper setting -- -- but what if you can't really tell? ------------------ dean