Seadog

"Besides, regardless of mid driver used the speaker's real Achilles heel is it's poor bass response and skewed tonal balance, a balance which dominates the sound. " This may be true, but IMO they work extremely well as the rears in my HT, with Cornwalls front and center.

RobertMAXWELL, you made me look ! I have '83 Herseys and after reading your post on the 1.5, I had to look. All my drivers are mounted behind the motorboard, and the squawker is metal. I already knew this, but I got freaked out after reading your post and looked just to make sure . I guess my mind goes paranoid after midnight . BTW, they sound great.

I tried the link that I had for this info, but it no longer works, so here is what I have: ----------------------------------------------------- HK630Stereo Receiver (30 watts x 2) WARRANTY: 2 Years FIRST MANUFACTURED: 1973 LAST MANUFACTURED: 1975 SPECIFICATIONS: Tuner Section Sensitivity : FM - 1.9 microvolts, Ihf Signal-to-Noise Ratio : 70dB Capture Ratio : 2.5dB Image Rejection : 50dB Spurious Response Rejection : 78dB Multiplex Separation : 35dB Total Harmonic Distortion : MONO - 0.6%STEREO - 0.7% Amplifier Section Power Output : 30/30 W RMS @ 8 ohms from 20-20kHz at <0.5% THDPEAK - In excess of 60 watts / ch , both channels driven Power Bandwidth : from less than 10Hz to beyond 40kHz Total Harmonic Distortion : <0.5% at 30/30 watts0.07% at 1 watt, both channels driven simult Intermodulation Distortion : < 0.15% at rated output Hum and Noise : Better than 85dB below rated output Damping Factor : 40:1 Frequency Response : from below 4Hz beyond 70kHz +/-0.5dB at normal power levelsfrom below 1 hertz to beyond 100kHz +/-1dB at normal power levels Square Wave Tilt : < 5% at 20 hertz Rise Time : SQUARE WAVE - < 2 microseconds Stability : absolutely stable with all types of speakers NOTE: Depth measurement includes knobs, buttons and terminal connections; height measurement includes feet and chassis. All features and specifications are subject to change without notice. © Harman International Industries, Incorporated HK730Stereo Receiver (40 watts x 2) WARRANTY: 2 Years FIRST MANUFACTURED: 1976 LAST MANUFACTURED: 1977 SPECIFICATIONS: General Power Output : 40 W min. RMS/ch @ 8 ohms with <0.1% THD Power Bandwidth : from 10Hz to 40kHz at <0.1/THD into 8 ohms Frequency Response : 4Hz - 130kHz +/-0.5dB Rise Time : 1.5usecSQUARE WAVE - POWER AMP - <1.5usec Square Wave Tilt : < 5% Total Harmonic Distortion : < 0.1% from 250milliwatts to 40watts RMSFM MONO - 0.3% (1kHz)FM STEREO - 0.4% (1kHz) Intermodulation Distortion : 40 watts SMPTE < 0.12% and 1 watt SMPTE < 0.15% Hum and Noise : better than 60dB below rated output (unweighted)-40dB Damping Factor : > 30 (1kHz @ 1watt) Input Sensitivity : POWER AMP - < 1.2V Input Impedance : POWER AMP - 33kilohms Signal-to-Noise Ratio : POWER AMP - > 90dB @ 40 watts Output Level/Impedance : PREAMP - 600 ohms Phono Overload : >95mV RIAA Equalization : +/-1.0dB Loudness Control : +10dB @ 50Hz Filter : HIGHCUT - -10dB @ 10kHzLOWCUT - -6dB @ 50Hz Sensitivity : FM IHF - 1.9uVFM MONO - 3.5 @ -50dBFM STEREO - 35uV @ -50dBAM - > 250uV/m Capture Ratio : 2dB Image Rejection : -80dB-75dB Spurious Response Rejection : -80dB IF Rejection : -90dB-60dB AM Rejection : 60dB Alternate Channel Selectivity : 80dB55dB Multiplex Separation : 40dB (1kHz) Output Level : 0.5VAM Signal for 1 watt < 150uV/M Selectivity : AM - 35dB NOTE: Depth measurement includes knobs, buttons and terminal connections; height measurement includes feet and chassis. All features and specifications are subject to change without notice. © Harman International Industries, Incorporated HK430Stereo Receiver (25 watts x 2) WARRANTY: 2 Years FIRST MANUFACTURED: 1976 LAST MANUFACTURED: 1977 SPECIFICATIONS: Tuner Section Capture Ratio : 2.5dB Image Rejection : 60dB Spurious Response Rejection : 50dB Alternate Channel Selectivity : 60dB Total Harmonic Distortion : MONO - 0.6%STEREO - 0.7% Amplifier Section Power Output : 25 watts RMS/ch, both driven into 8 ohms 20Hz - 20kHz,w/< 0.3% THD Power Bandwidth : 10Hz - 40kHZ at < 0.3%THD into 8 ohms both channels driven simult. @ 12.5 watts /ch Frequency Response : 20Hz - 20kHz +/-0.5dB4Hz - 140kHz, -3dB Rise Time : SQUARE WAVE - <3microseconds Square Wave Tilt : < 5% at 20Hz Total Harmonic Distortion : < 0.3% from 250milliwatts - 25 watts RMS, both driven simultaneously into 8 ohms (20Hz-20kHz) Intermodulation Distortion : < 0.15% at rated power output Hum and Noise : Better than 65dB below rated output Damping Factor : 40 NOTE: Depth measurement includes knobs, buttons and terminal connections; height measurement includes feet and chassis. All features and specifications are subject to change without notice. © Harman International Industries, Incorporated HK930Stereo Receiver (45 watts x 2) WARRANTY: 2 Years FIRST MANUFACTURED: 1973 LAST MANUFACTURED: 1975 Detailed information is currently unavailable © Harman International Industries, Incorporated HK505Stereo Integrated Amplifier (60 watts x 2) WARRANTY: 2 Years FIRST MANUFACTURED: 1978 LAST MANUFACTURED: 1980 SPECIFICATIONS: Amplifier Section Power Output : 60 watts RMS per channel @ <0.03% THD primarily low order harmonics @ 8 ohms from 20 - 20kHzDIN 45500 - 75 watts @ 8 ohms Power Bandwidth : HALF POWER - 8Hz - 100kHz into 8 ohms Frequency Response : below 1Hz-140kHz, -3dB at rated output Total Harmonic Distortion : 0.025% primarily low order harmonics 1kHz at rated output Intermodulation Distortion : 0.06% at rated output Transient Intermodulation Distortion (TIM) : 0.01% Slew Rate : 65 volts/uSec Rise Time : SQUARE WAVE - better than 2.5usec at 20kHz Square Wave Tilt : < 3% at 20Hz Negative Feedback : 28dB Damping Factor : > 50 at 8 ohms Hum and Noise : PHONO - -88dB"A" WTDAUX & RES - -100dB "A" WTD Input Sensitivity : PHONO - 2.2mVAUX - 130mV Input Impedance : PHONO - 47k ohms Phono Overload : >225mV RIAA Equalization : +/-0.75dB NOTE: Depth measurement includes knobs, buttons and terminal connections; height measurement includes feet and chassis. All features and specifications are subject to change without notice.

He could have offered them on this forum first . He should be made to listen to Bose for the rest of his days for parting these out!

"So the to-dos are: Motor Transplant Transmission Transplant Dual Exhuast Passenger Side Door (lock and window do not go up and down. Hopefully just a WD-40 fix) Tires and Rims Interior carpet and trim work body work and paint." Jeff, Where are you going to mount the Cornwalls?

I'm running my '88 Cornwall IIs with an HK 630 and it has plenty of bass. For the price that you can get these for (under $100 on eBay), either the 430 or the 630 is a cheap experiment. Scott 299D is really in a different league. I'm running it on my Cornwalls. The detail and imaging is superior to any SS that I have personally used. It does well in the bass area also. You will probably have to shell out about $700 - 800 to find one and get it rebuilt. The 34 wpc that it produces is all that I need for my Cornwalls.

Rick, Glad to hear that you are having a good B-day. Later, I'll have a couple of single malts in your honor! Yes, the Scottie 299D is still crankin' real fine. I sent the 99B to Craig this week, so one of these days I'll have left, right, and center Cornwalls playing from tubes ! Best wishes on your Birthday! - David -

I noticed this on the Audiokarma calendar. 1960 was a very good year !

Piranha, with VRDs and a Peach, you owe it to yourself to eventually get the K-horns, assuming you have good corners. This is my opinion based on many hours of listening experiments that my brother and I have done in his listening room. He has K-horns, Lascalas, Cornwalls, and Heresys. We have set up every conceivable scenario using high-powered SS separates, vintage HK SS integrated, and integrated tubes (obviously not VRDs, but a NOSvalves Scott 299D a stock LK72). The K-horns have the ability to fill the room with sound that the Lascalas cannot approach (one caveat here, these are the industrial Lascalas). Of course the difference is in the low frequency range (highs and mids are equivalent), but the effect is none-the-less dramatic. Listening with my eyes closed, I would swear that the room doubled in size when the K-horns are used. Incidentally, I have heard Sheltie Daves K-horns with VRDs and the Blueberry, and it is indeed an impressive combination. As for a center speaker between the K-horns, a Cornwall (IMO) blends as seamlessly as a Lascala, whether used for a multi-channel center or a derived 2-channel center. My brother really wanted the Lascala to sound better because of PWKs recommendation, but in his listening room the Cornwall won out as his center speaker (it is a vertical decorator which is the sister to my center). He alternated between Lascalas and Cornwalls for his rear channels, but he recently picked up a pair of Herseys because they are smaller and easier to elevate. One further IMO (and I will probably catch a lot of flack for this statement!), the overall effect of the Cornwall is more similar to the K-horn than the Lascala. The Lascala mids are more equivalent to the K-horn, but the Cornwall base response yields an overall sound experience more like the K-horn. (Disclaimer: all rooms are different, all ears are different, music tastes are different, and therefore results may vary! I also reserve the right to reconsider if further data support a change in my position). Someday, I too shall own K-horns (please do not tell my wife of this plan ).

the U.S. No.1 on the 13th March 1960 was... The Theme From 'A Summer Place' by Percy Faith the U.K. No.1 on the 13th March 1960 was... Running Bear by Johnny Preston

Is a "horn bash" anything like a "beer bash"? If so, count me in. I'm up for listening to horns until I pass out on the floor.

" I got my 84 walnut k-horns last night, been looking at them all day because i'm in a darn wheelchair and cant hook them up............" That is one of the saddest things that I have heard in a long time.

---------------- On 7/26/2004 7:56:58 PM eq_shadimar wrote: The Fisher Doctor is good, at least in my experience. I ordered and installed the Resto-Kit from him for my 500B. The instructions are straight forward and anyone with any technical knowledge who can solder should not have any problems installing the kit. It took me about 2 hours to install all the mods. Some of the most important mods are safety mods that will prevent the unit from melting down should some of the power tubes destroy themselves. Laters, Jeff ---------------- I have heard Jeff's 500B and it sounds very good with his Cornwalls, so whatever mods he performed and whatever components he used must have been o.k. As for myself, I will go with what I know (from personal experience) what is successful. I will be sending my second tube amp (a Scott 99B) to Craig.

VTV sells a Fisher 400 kit for $80. Maybe this was the one you heard about. http://www.vacuumtube.com/Products.htm FWIW, I have never bought anything from these guys, so don't take this as a recommendation.

Went for a week in 1987. Never left Oahu while we were there. Highlights of our trip: Pearl Harbor, snorkeling at Hanauma Bay (spelling?), Paradise falls (a long walk, but worth the effort), and hanging around the beaches on the North Shore. Unless things have changed, avoid the dinner cruises, terrible food and even worse entertainment on board.

As I recall, Trey's Cornwalls that were at the hotel in Indy were vertical models. We tried them upright and on their sides and they sounded about the same in that lousy, hot room (does anyone else that was there have an opinion?). I have a/b'd the vertical and regular Cornwalls at my house. When upright they sounded slightly different, but when we laid the verts on the side, I could not pick out which was which in a blind test. I'm using a vert CW for my HT center, turned on the side, and I am extremely satisfied. The dialog (or whatever else is on that channel) sounds very good from any position in the room.

"How is the 299?" It is fantastic! So smooth, so much detail, yet with such authority. It really brings out the best in the '79 Cornwalls. I think Craig said he had about 40 hrs on the new caps when he brought it to Indy, so it was still breaking in when I got it and it seemed like it kept improving for the first couple of weeks (maybe just my imagination, but every day I thought it sounded better than the day before, for a while). The imaging on this amp is incredible. The phono pre-amp is excellent (listening to a lot of vinyl lately since I acquired a Thorens 125 from Sheltie Dave), and CDs never sounded better at my house. Craig did a nice job on this amp. I tried running the powered center channel into my vertical Cornwall, but it puts out nearly the same dB level as the right and left (probably not a problem if I was running a less sensitive center speaker). I recently picked up a 99B which I will connect to the center line out on the 299D to give me volume control. I tried it briefly and it seemed to improve the soundstage and enlarge the "ideal" listening position in the room, but I'm sending it off to Craig for rebuild. Thanks for asking, David

17 minutes left, sitting at $585! Another $350 to rebuild, plus shipping (3 legs), someone will easily have a grand in this amp before it should be used, but that is still a great sound for the money IMO, especially when you consider how clean that particular unit seems to be.

A second night of listening at the hotel would allow more time for something like this. This year, Friday night was great, but there was no Saturday night listening event planned. Thanks to Roger (and the UA) we had things to do, but I would be in favor of having a room and equipment available for Fri and Sat night next year.

This is a good idea, but it may be difficult to execute properly. I would like to compare SET to my 299D (in my house) if I had the opportunity. "Anyone who wants to hear them are more than welcome over to my place for a listen.." Hey Artto, looks like I'll be in the Chicago area for a couple of days next month on business, hint, hint .

Gary, wake up! It's just a dream! Just kidding . If I were you, I would be shaking my head and pinching myself just to make sure! I'll bet you'll gave a big grin on your face for days. Three cheers for Bill and Anne!

Gary, you must be living right for these to fall into your lap! Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!

That is the ferrite loopstick AM antenna.

I am aware of what the current Klipsch product pages say, I have read through them many times. I did not mention the Rebel or Shorthorn because these are generally not readily available for putting a system together (although certainly they are PWK Heritage). Not that I really care what Klipsch calls "Heritage", but it is good when everyone is on the same page. I would not want to mix the "old" Heritage with the "extended" Heritage in an HT set up. OT, but here is an interesting question; if the Forte is Heritage, why not the KG4 which is from the same era? ---------------- On 7/16/2004 3:13:32 AM dantfmly wrote: ---------------- On 7/16/2004 12:22:26 AM Seadog wrote: When did Forte and KLF speakers get promoted to Heritage classification? I always thought Heritage were the K-horn, Heresy, Cornwall, LaScala and Belle. ---------------- yes there were more heritage then just those. during the 80's and 90's it included the chorus (I & II), forte (I & II), and one i don't hear about much the quartet. and you forgot about the covenented (spelling?) cornwalls (I & II) that ran from the late 50's to the 90's. the academy center channel. and some speakers i never heard of before rebel, rebel 4, rebel 7 manufactured from 49 to 73 between the three. and some other speakers i never heard of the shorthorn 12 and 15 manufactured during 50's and 60's. it is all under the classic products tab under heritage. if you just look it up. klf's are not promoted as heritage series. they are promoted as the legend series. look it up under classic products, classic classics, page 3. ----------------

When did Forte and KLF speakers get promoted to Heritage classification? I always thought Heritage were the K-horn, Heresy, Cornwall, LaScala and Belle.