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Mart, here's what I used, there are probably many similar approaches. Also, the plate you gave the link for looks very nice. I bought a 7.2 wallplate from Parts Express. I have one sub, located across the room, so also had to run in-wall and under the floor sub cabling. Here is a link: http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?WebPage_ID=251 wall plate was less expensive that at local electronics stores. My first approach was to buy terminated sub cable from Blue Jeans Cable on the web. Super fast service and they use Belden cabling/wire as well as some other very good cabling/wire. I bought a 24 foot length, terminated with RCA plugs on both ends, intending to use the wallplate feedthrus. Very reasonable price and the cable is in-wall rated. Nice folks to do business with and I liked the cables. Due to a change in sub location (wife directed.....), my 24 foot cable turned out to be about 10 feet too short. Although I initially intended to buy another longer cable from Blue Jeans to accomodate the longer run, I have a roll of RG-6 coax for in-home video installations, so I just made my own in-wall cable. I also changed from my initial idea for the RCA connectors and went with F-connectors (male) on both ends of the in-wall cable, since they will screw onto the F-connector wallplate connector feedthrus. That's where I needed some special pieces for the wallplates. I bought a feedthru from Parts Express which was F-connector (female) on the inside of the wall plate and RCA (female) on the outside of the plate. I already had other Blue Jeans cable with RCAs for the LFE output from my reciever to the wall plate, so a feedthru with RCA on the room side and F-connector on the inside of the plate did the trick. My F-connector connection is tight and I don't have to worry about an RCA plug inside the electrical box possibly loosened during the process of installing the wallplate, final wire arrangements inside the box during closeup of the wallplate, etc. From the outside of the wallplate, it is a normal LFE RCA connection. Did the same thing for the wallplate at the sub, bought blank Decora plate from Parts Express and bought the one hole wallplate insert (hex hole) and another one of the F-connector/RCA feedthrus. Works good, hope this gives you some ideas.

OneCall's web site mentions the 2910 is on clearance. Anyone know if it is being replaced by a model with better features?

Keith - Welcome to the forum! Other folks here can give you advice on timbre matching for your speakers. I just installed R5800W in-walls in my family room. I would make sure the new house uses "glue and screw" drywall install for both sides of the wall where the speakers will be. One thing to look at is the most pleasing spacing between the speakers, relative to furniture and pictures, spacing across the entire wall, you get the idea. I accomplished these objectives, however, the in-walls do not really line up with the location of my RF-35's too well. So, there are some trades to make. Another limitation is the location of wall studs, in-wall wiring, etc. You may have the ideal location picked out, but a stud is there and you have to be 8 inches one way or the other to be in the next available space. Take lots of pictures during construction, and if you can show a reference measurement point and lay down a visible tape measure or something that helps. If the builder will allow you to drill a couple of pilot holes to locate your future wire entry points that helps. Possibly a code issue for fire-stop caulk inthe hole eventually. I bought Belden 5000U cable from Blue Jeans Cable (web), 12 AWG, twisted pairs, grey jacket, less than 40 cents/foot and in-wall rated. Home depot lamp cord costs that much. Nice cable. Advice here on this forum (Michael Colter) included using more caulk (I used some tub/bath tubes from Home Depot, squeezable, not caulking gun) on every inside the wall joint you can reach from the actual cutout in the wall, to reduce buzzes/rattles even more. Also Mike suggested putting some fiberglass insulation above and below the actual wall cutout, did that too. My results are a pleasing set of rear speakers. I notice them more for movies than for music sources, but they do help fill the family room. They pretty much fire straight out versus the on-wall mounted speaker options. Wife put the kabosh on my RS-35s on-wall (still have new in box, for sale if you're interested). The in-walls do not project really well if you are on the couch under them, but if you can sit a couple feet out they are better. Also, I mounted mine with the bottom of the cutout at 69 inches above the carpetted floor, gave an acceptable height for the wife relative to her wall decorations. If you have no kids, I'd recommend going with something on speaker stands or rear towers if that can be OK'd by the wife. The in-walls sound nice but I could have bought another set of RF-35s on closeout for about the same price, just did not fit our room layout. LIfe is about compromises...... Good luck!

Tom, thanks for posting the link comparing the two formats. I've purposely ignoring the ads for new 1080i/1080p TVs until I could get a good summary of the tradeoffs. This article really helped!

Hi Carl, cannot imagine something sounding better than your system back in August but it sounds like you've taken it up a notch! Did you rotate the entire system 90 degrees onto the wall where the sub was placed back in August? Can you play the K-horns in 2-channel without the Belles?

I have a PC-Ultra, SVS advised that I did not need to use a Y-adapter when using the LFE output from my receiver, just pick on channel. You might want to check with them on that, email their customer service dept. Does anyone run speaker outputs directly to their sub? I am considering playing with this as an option, maybe use the B-channel output from my Denon 1804, but not daisy-chained to actual speakers, just run to the sub. The best response I get currently is from DVDs. CDs are variable, FM radio does not have much predictable bass. Guess I'd have to switch which input was active on the SVS (LFE versus speaker inputs) for each source if I ran both speaker B-channel outputs and the LFE. My sub is in the corner of a family room, WAF directed, so one of these days I have to do the Avia/SPL meter cal, but alternate placements are not an option right now. But just with rough settings DVDs are certainly impressive.

Thanks for the contacts and offers, I'm still developing a gameplan, good to know there are folks to bounce ideas off of. Dave, good to hear from ya, I can close my eyes and still hear Dave Brubeck on your Khorns.... I will have to go to that audio store you mentioned, just afraid I will find something else I must have.....! Scott, I'm running RF-35s thru a Denon 1804. No clue how vinyl will sound. If my 680EE is still in good shape, will it be compatible with the phono input on my Denon? Thanks, everyone.

I use a 1500VA model for my computer equipment. It provides rock solid operation through all kinds of weather. This unit generates the output voltage versus only providing filter and surge protection, also has a battery backup. Model BX 1500, more geared for computer users. The AV products look nice, anyone have any feedback on them???

Tried to post this a few minutes ago, hope this is not a double post..... I'm seriously thinking about having my Dual 1229 refurbished. It has not been played for 20 years, has a Stanton 680EE cartridge. Probably needs lube and adjustment of all tracking, anti-skate controls, etc. Any thoughts? I've had some email exchanges with a couple of guys who work on Duals, and wonder if anyone has done this type of thing with their "vintage" turntable. Until I went to Shelti Dave's and Carl's houses a couple months ago and heard Heritage speakers and Tubes, I had not thought much about resurrecting my (very diminished) vinyl collection. But since then I've had a new itch.......

Paul - did you say you made these stands? I have a pair of RS-35s (unopened, new boxed units) that I left in the box and went with in-wall R-5800's instead. Rear family room wall mount, side walls are not setup for speaker mounting. Anyway, wife was tickled that I did not permanently mount the RS-35s in our family room, but now I'm stuck with the new RS-35s. Plan B is to run wiring to wall plates on the side walls down low and bring out the RS-35s for movies - hence, I need some stands. What is the height of your stands?

Another positive experience...... Belden in-wall cable, bare, approx same price as Home Depot lamp cord but instead I got 12 AWG Belden 5000UE, twisted pair........ several lengths of Belden 1505F sub cable with their excellent RCA connectors.... going back next for in-wall sub cable with F-connectors on each end to accomodate new location for my sub.....quick turn-around, high quality, happy customer.......highly recommended.

Yee ha!! Found mine on the front porch just before a driving rain storm a couple days ago, sealed up in a nice plastic bag inside the tube, now have to hide it so wife does not "check it out" and crinkle it! Still have all my reel-to-reel tapes from the 70s and 80s, may have to crank up the old Tandberg deck, any thoughts on what to do to a reel to reel deck that has seen no action for close to 20 years? Thanks guys -

Dave, that's why I took no pictures at Carl's place after rememberring I had my camera in the car. Figured it was you guys who could post pics if you were interested. Anyway, thanks for the invite, I'm still buzzin........

Wow indeed!! Not much I can add...... Arrived at Dave's around 2 PM with the hope that it was not too late to hear his Khorns. I've never physically seen Heritage speakers, let alone heard them. What a treat and a great bunch of guys. Today we saw and heard Dave's Khorns and Cornwalls and the Belles and Altecs at Carl's house, along with the other amps, pre-amps, turntable equipment mentioned above. I also had a difficult time explaining the day to my family members, hard to put into words, but obvious I had a very enjoyable time. I'll have to say the Khorns were certainly impressive. As Dave mentioned they are without great corners or a large, deeper room, however they were different than any other speakers I have heard. We listened to several recording sources of some Dave Brubeck tracks and the snare drum and the bass were there in the room with us. What a presence and live, unforced feel. My expectations were met, and more. The Cornwalls were powerful and grew on me after awhile, but the Khorns certainly made the trip worthwhile. Dave's speaker and amp selections along with the equipment the other guys brought was really impressive. Carl's setup really rocks. Amazing and really cool are good descriptive starting points. Three Belles across the front and the two Altec's in the back, a huge SVS dual woofer sub along one wall toward the back, plus bass traps, all in all just increadible sound. Eagles Hotel California (DVD DTS??) was breathtaking on the guitar solos. A Diane Krahl cut and various Frank Sinatra titles showcased the depth of Carl's sources and speakers. HIs multitude of sources and switching capabilities provide flexibility for stereo, multi-channel, rears only, etc. Fleetwood Mac "The Chain" demonstrated the Belles and hearing that song on my RF-35s will never be the same..... Many thanks to everyone for such an enjoyable Saturday afternoon, my thoughts for a potential basement listening/home theater room have certainly been upgraded after hearing these fine setups!

I'm out in O'Fallon and have been spared the major storm and electric damage. Suffered some fence damage from the high winds in the first storm, unplugged everything but me computer (APC 1500 VA UPS/conditioner) and feel very very fortunate to have come out so well. Is there a plan for Saturday? Should I call Dave for directions, etc., or will you guys be posting some info here? Looking forward to seeing and hearing some fine equipment.

About a year ago, I woke up with a wonderful ringing tone in one ear. I've had slight ringing at times for years, but it would only last a couple minutes and sort of fade out, I'd usually not notice it was gone. But this was different. Followed several months of fairly loud music and movie enjoyment plus a kickin' sound system in my new car and wearing headphones at work. This time it was not ringing. The tone was around 2000 Hz (guestimate) and did not go away. It was there 24-7. Woke up with it. Tried to ignore it at work all day. And laying in a quiet bedroom trying to get to sleep with this signal generator at a constant volume was maddening. It was like a little tweeter in my ear. Reading up on this I found the term tinitis (spelling?) and learned that many celebs have this problem. I freaked. Went to my doctor, his first approach was to get 50+ years of wax buildup flushed out of my ears. That helped - for about two hours, then my new friend was back. Went to a hearing specialist, his recommendation was to cut out the obvious problem (load sounds) and watch my diet. However, these were mitigating steps, damage had already been done. It might go away, it might go away and come back, it might get worse. Ouch. On the doctor's advice, I reduced my sodium intake, and for a couple months listened to very, very low volumes of music, etc. Over the last eight or ten months I've noticed that diet can have an effect (for me at least) so I try to watch that, better for me anyway. Fortunately in my case, the 2000 Hz tone slowly subsided and after about a month it was no longer a 24 hour a day penetrating squeel. The phenomenon when present is not audible, it has to do with damage to the structures, and sometimes even to tiny hairs, making up the entire hearing structure. I have been lucky, and have tempered my loud volume listenting. I've started wearing ear plugs for lawn maintenance. Other exposures I do sort of like Colter mentioned, keep plugs available, in the car, in my laptop case, etc. One area that caught me unprepared once, our church is fairly large with contemporary worship and a lot of speakers, attempting to provide a uniform sound to all areas. Fairly impossible and we have some hot spots. Never noticed how hot some of these spots were until I had this problem. Now I wear ear plugs during all phases of the service involving music. At home I can adjust and limit my exposure, etc. In this "concert" type venue I need hearing protection. I can still hear everything - I just don't have that blasted ear drum feeling after church. I'd do the same for a concert. Hope this helps anyone who still has their hearing to consider how to preserve it. Forty years of exposure to loudnesss is not fixable. In fortunate cases you can live with the damage or mitigate the results to some extent. The nursing home is not the problem. Waking up with the problem in your 40's or 50's is not fun and probably means you're on borrowed time.

Soundbroker - this weekend I'm going to install either RS-35s or R-5800s as rear surrounds. Running RF-35s and RC-35 up front, Denon 1804 @ 90 watts/channel. The RS-35s are rated for significantly more continuous power than the R-5800s. Problem is aesthetics for wife, she wants in-walls, has no clue Re: audio characterists of either speaker. In your experience do the R-5800s with the 8 inch driver and large horn do as well or better than the RS-35s with the smaller driver and dual horns?

Thanks for the interest, here's where I am at presently. Bought these from Ultimate Electronics just over two years ago, and as noted they are in unopened boxes. I've got $650 in them with tax, checked today and Ultimate is still selling them for the same price, $300 each. To cover the in-walls I need to get just over $550 for the pair. Somebody saves $100 on new speakers, I satisfy my other half with in-walls Send me a PM to discuss details, that's where I'm at right now. My wife leaves Friday for a couple days of vacation with some friends, so I have a window of opportunity to run wiring, etc. Right now, though, she is flip-flopping, one day these are going to look awful , the next day they might be OK, not sure how she can tell just measuring the boxes and imagining them up on the wall..... Plus I already bought the in-wall speakers, so starting this weekend I'm going to begin installing wires and would like to get something installed before she comes back from her vacation next week! PM me if interested and again thanks for any interest. Should be an interesting weekend......

Michael, thanks for the good tips, especially the caulk and the folded insulation, I had wonderred how to do some insulation treatments. Yes, couch is pretty much stuck against the wall. Cannot mount any speakers on side walls, one side is a fireplace flanked by windows and the other side is actually open to the foyer/front door/dining room, etc. Not a good HT layout. Two issues I have right out of the box are wiring and stud locations. From pics I took during construction, there is a 14-2 wire running 115 VAC the length of the wall just about where the speakers should go. Bathroom is on the other side of the wall, so at least the wall is 2x6s versus 2x4s. Second thing is studs location. If I cannot find a symetric location for the two speakers I'll have to cut one stud. Load bearing wall, so opens a whole can of worms. Also wife wants entire family room, hallway, foyer, basement stairs painted if there is paint to be touched up..... Should be a fun weekend, she's going out of town so I have several days to wreak havoc, I mean, create a finely tuned HT experience!

Very likely I will be putting my two RS-35s up for sale, great for dedicated sound/theater room, wife is pushing hard for in-walls in our family room. These are new in box, have not looked into pricing yet. St. Louis area. Anyone looking for some surrounds?

Does anyone have any guidelines data or references for mounting height for in-wall speakers? I am considering the reference line 5800 in-wall as rear surrounds in my family room. The room is around 24 feet long with the A/V center and RF-35s, RC-35 on that long wall, the rears would mount on the opposite wall about 18 feet away. Couch is on the wall where the rears would go. For on-wall surrounds, I think the rule of thumb is about 3-4 feet above ear level when seated, any info available on height of the in-walls? These have an 8 inch speaker and a horn. Also, does anyone using in-walls lay-in some fiberglass insulation into the wall? This is an existing wall, not new construction. Anyone using the 5800's? thanks -

Was your local dealer Best Buy, they only carry Synergy line.

I have same system (speakers), and the RC-35 has great sound on some DVDs, other times is somewhat less than incredible. Agree with Colter on the jumpers, and have you tried running into only one set of input jacks at a time without the jumpers? Otherwise, have you registered the speaker with Klipsch and is it in warranty? Final thing I can think of it to see if the store you bought it at would let you bring it in and A/B it with another center, see if the problem occurs again. The intermittent operation could point to an internal connection problem, can you shake the speaker and duplicate the problem?

Hey Chris, thanks for the Home Depot tip for the heat shrink, I would have tried Radio Shack, big price small quantity. Tried the Altona seller's web site, as you noted he has all sorts of pre-packaged quantities, I think he hits for shipping for each item though. Might buy some Altonas for the back of my Denon and heat shrink them. The assembly process sure looks easier. Are the two internal screws on the same side of the plug or in opposition to each other? I'm not sold on the assembly process shown for Blue Jeans Cables plugs, they seemed like the best shot at the time and I had to get this show on the road. I think Parts Express and various other outfits sell the same type of plug with the little compression slug inside. Radio Shack also sells some Altona look-alikes, mucho more expensive, different barrels for the back end. Also found the old thread from February Re: the Altona plugs, got me thinking about issues with my RF-35s. I move them around for movies, may just keep them bare wire to reduce chance of having the bananas popping out. Plugs at the rear of the Denon are convenience and to avoid any stray wire strands from crossing over to next connection. Also, it's a dense area to be threading the wires and tightening the screw down jacks on the receiver.

Chris - I'm also making some new cables, the bananas I finally selected should be here next week, but I can return them for any reason...... the plugs I orderred are from Blue Jeans Cables,; http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm they seem identical to plugs from Parts Express. The one thing I don't like particulary about these is shown in the assembly link: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/Speaker_cable_termination.pdf The process to spread the wire out and bend back over the plug base, etc., seems like a pain. These plugs you found look like they are really simple for assembly, only drawback is buying an entire set of 10 pair (of course I need 14 pair.....). Any other users of these plugs? Seems like they popped up here months ago, should have kept track of that thread..... What kind of turn around time did you get on your initial order? I'm settting up to re-wire my system and add rear surrounds next weekend. thanks - Larry