J.4knee

"Tag on back says ls-br" I don't think ls-br is an accurate statement at this point. They have obviously been refinished, not that thats a bad thing. I am out of the market at the moment. But for anyone who is thinking about La Scalas, they are a wonderful thing.

Lacking in their description.

Ed, Although I have not been a forum member for very long I have enjoyed your contributions very much. I am a monopolite myself because of your tutelage on this forum. So all I can do is raise a glass of vino in a toast to the soon to be newly wedded couple and wish you the best of luck and love for many years of wedded bliss. R/Jim PS does she really know how many Klipsch speakers you have?!?

My original Stereo: 84 La Scala's $1160 Brand New Denon POA 150 power Amp $325 Brand New dBx CX-3 Preamp $225 Brand New dBx 14/10 $400 Brand New Nakamichi CR-7 $850 Brand New Denon DP 62L $325 Brand New dBx SNR-1 $125 Brand New These were all purchased from the Navy Exchange in Yokosuka Japan in the Mid 80's. I still have the La Scala's obviously, and the Cassette deck, and my brother has the Turntable and has failed to ship it to me (growl). I have had great deals on CD players and SVHS players and Laserdisc players but the list above are my best scores.

"Tornado warnings = worry. Man, be careful! Those things are scary looking. I don't understand how people can willingly live in tornado area. but then I live in earthquake area and people probably don't understand that" Ditto!!

"J4----Why duck? Most horn enthusiasts will prefer the LaScala. " Well the last time I voiced my opinion of that comparison I was pert near killed dead in the onslaught of opposing opinions. My comment back then was "I dont think the 7's can look the La Scala's in the eye." I still believe this, but that comment seemed to incense a few folks who feel otherwise. Started a my speakers are better than your speakers war. So knowing full well that Reference owners support their preference as ardently as we Heritage types do. I was expecting a blast. It was a rather pleasant surprise I did not get it though.

I would first recommend a La Scala for your front Center. Then next a Belle Klipsch, after that a Cornwall, and then on to the popular choice here the Heresys for you center. You could fill in your center and surrounds with Heresys but remember on most movie track the center does the bulk of the work so dont undercut that speaker. I have 2 La Scalas the will be filled in with 4 Heresys as soon as I get a seconds set. I currently have a mixed Heritage/Reference set up and it sounds OK but the Reference will not keep up with your Klipschorns IMO. You can mount the Heresys like bookshelf speakers. But like most here will tell you, the best match is Heritage on Heritage..

7 Channels powered by Mac's once again I sit here drooling

If you were going to consider the RC 35 I would look at e-bay and the RC 3II I think they sound a little better than the RC 35. Just my opinion though.

It depends on what your fronts are capable of. I set my La Scala's to Large and my center to small. I don't have a sub yet so I run the LFE out my mains but even with a sub I would keep the La Scala's on large. If your mains are a substantial speaker like RF-7's La Scala's, K-horn, Cornwall, Belle Klipsch, CF-4, maybe even RF-5's I would go with large. If they are the moral equivalents of RF-3's, Heresy's and other smaller speakers with less bass range then small is the way to go and send the LFE to the sub. As for where to cross it, it depends on your room, the treatments and what your mains can do.

OK I am going to write this and duck. When I did a side by side of the 7's to my La Scala's I felt the 7's were out of their league. The 7's are a fantastic sounding speaker but the La Scala's to seem like they had more depth and presence. To me the 7's high end was thin and mids were weaker. The bass was oh my god thats good though. So If I were to compare them to the Heresys I have to take along hard listen but I think the 7s would hold their ground without too much trouble, as you are not comparing theoretical equals within their respective lines. It also makes a difference where and how you place them. As I said before I prefer Heritage sound to Reference so my review should not be a shock to anyone. I am sure if you ask mOOn he will tell you he absolutely loves his 7s.

Well you would get a timbre mismatch if paired them with the Reference line. I prefer the sound of Klipsch Heritage vs. their other line but there is also a great many who feel differently. IMO the Heresy is a good speaker, a little weak in the bass and depending on what iteration you get they can be a little bright in the high end, however to me the Reference series are a little bright as well so it just depend on what you hear when you listen to them. But the Reference and the Heritage lines are outstanding loudspeakers. Ideally I would not mix a system but it can be done in a pinch. I am currently in such a pinch.

Thanks yeah I was not sure of the actual manufacture dates and the circa 1983-86 was just a generalization. Any reason why some are 4 ohm and others 8 ohm nominal impedance. I realize speaker impedance is not an exact measurement like a resitance measure ment and its a characteristic of impedance developed by the load at varying frequencies. But I was just curious it would seem to me the crossover characteristics would have to be very different to do that... 4 ohm nominal vs 8 ohm nominal.

I have been looking at some H2's circa 1983-6 and the efficiency rating is 94 db/w/m with 4 ohm nom impedance. The newer ones are 97 db/w/m 8 ohm nom impedance and the older H1's were 96 db/w/m and both 8 ohm nom impedance. Can anyone explain why these H2's have a markedly lower efficiency than both the older H1's and the newer H2's?

Good thread, I am technically savvy enough to grasp the ratio of loudness and power doubling but I have never heard such good down and dirty explanations before, I also found interesting the compression factors ...thanks to all who contributed to this post.

HDBR wow that was quite a mouth full or in this case monitor full. I read that with great interest. I do have to admit you are one long winded typist, although given the wealth of knowledge and experience you have on this topic I don't see how you could offer any less. I particularly enjoyed your discussion on the varying media types used to construct bass bin of the mighty K-horn. And I most certainly agree with your final assessment whether it is used or new, the Klipschorn is one outstanding piece of audio artistry.

I don't know if I would use altruism in a description of the guy but I don't see him as an immediate threat to Klipsch....yet. Although we can't prove it on way or the other, apparently PWK gave him the designs for the K-horns that he used to produce his KKS-1. What is very noteworthy is that Klipsch is charging appx 7K for a K-horn and the KKS-1 is half that. The message Klipsch should get is the Heritage line if priced lower may sell better. Why do you think there is such a used market for the Heritage stuff? More money could be spent on marketing them and a resurrection of one of the most legendary line of speakers ever could take place. My preference is the real deal over the copy but if Klipsch lets this market slip or collapse on them, the Shinall KKS-1 may become the K-horn of the future. Good or bad people in the market for a new K-horn may be prone to take a long hard look at the KKS-1. This should serve as a wake up call for Klipsch.

Here is one of the KKS-1 pictures Gary Shinalll sent me.

Mr. Tillman was a hero as are the near 200000+ other men and women who serve in the Iraq/Afghanistan region. Mr. Tillman gave up a dream so that we may dare to dream ourselves. When he did this he never told anyone other than his family and teammates. He asked that they not grant interviews with the media over his choice to serve. His calling came from within. In the day-to-day grind we tend to forget 9-11 sometimes and the charge that was placed upon us in the aftermath. Whether we agree with the actions since 9-11 or not, we must never forget those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice and those willing to do so. We must always remember, we were attacked by savage cowards who intend to impose their will to cause our destruction. We cannot fault any one Govt agency or administration as a nation we had blinders on but that in and of itself does not point the blame inward, that blame still lies with those who chose to make war with us. Our President was correct there is an axis of evil in this world. We are at the beginning of what I fear is the third world war. A war we must win.

OK everyone kick in $.50 for Dean. Since that is what he asked for.

Bi-wiring...ok can someone tell me how you get around the fact that even if you run two equal lengths of cable that are connected on one end and split on the other you somehow isolate the woofer circuitry from the mid/tweeter circuitry. With them shorted at the amp they are electrically in the same place...just like when you have the jumper in place. While its true you have a little more conductor inductance, resistivity and inner conductor capacitance in line they are still shorted together so where does the isolation come from?

I contacted Mr. Shinall via e-mail and he listed his drivers and a brief description of his crossover although nothing technical in detail. Here is what he sent me: Jim, I use a University T-35 tweeter (old EV T-35), University compression driver in the mid-range, Eminence 15" woofer. I use custom made transformers, chokes and etc.to fabricate the x-overs. See the attached pictures. Thanks for your interest, Gary Shinall As you can see from HDBR's post this guy does not appear to be running a Klipsch killer ring, he seems to be open about what he does so hey maybe this is the odd case where he can fill a niche market. I dont know the man, but I offered him an apology since I initially did not offer a favorable light to his operation. I still believe the original Klipsch product is the best, but for those who want a new K-horn like speaker and cant afford $7000 maybe this one-man operation can fill their need. He never sent the pictures but I think at least at this point it was an oversight. Time will tell I guess.

OMG ROTFLMAO that was hillarious. Absolutely one of the best add descritpions I have ever read...outstanding.

I was once an anti Yamaha critic myself. IMHO the "Natural Sound" stuff they produced in the 80's and into the 90's was not a very good match with the Heritage Klipsch. I found the high end to be very shrill and nearly sheared my eardrums when it was turned up. With that being said I am now a proponent of the Yamaha Heritage pairing. I find the high end of their new stuff is much smoother now than it used to be. I use a RX V3300 with my La Scalas and I really enjoy this receiver. I do hope to one day foray back into the world of separates but untill then I am very pleased with this receiver. Why you prefer the Chorus 1 to the CW 1 is for your ears to decide probably a crossover issue but I agree with a lot of others that Yamaha is not the reason.

I e-mailed them and asked for pictures and info about the drivers and crossovers, as well as some internal pictures. I got some generic info back and a note to see the pictures that were not attached. I'll post what I get. I myself would not buy a corvette knockoff just because it looks similar. My philosophy is either buy new or used but buy Klipsch Heritage. I just don't care for imitators in general. Although I am sure there are some who can do a reputabale job.