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Whew! Glad to hear everything was mostly ok! My wife did something similar with our washing machine's drain hose once and fortunately for us we have a drain in the floor. There still was a lot of water around that took awhile to clean up. The way our basement is designed is that in our laundry room we have a few inches of cement coming up from the floor as supports for the wall and sheet rock. Fortunately the water never even got close to going above that level. Good thing, because there's just a few $$ worth of Klipsch speakers just on the other side of that wall! []

The vMax is really not something you'd probably use much or like. It works somewhat decently for live music as it makes the sound be much more dispersed around you. However it kills the imaging of the sound signal and unless you're sitting dead center in the sweet spot it doesn't do any good. You can probably find the 3480 for $150-$175 on eBay. I did a buy-it-now for $175 and the 3480 was only a couple months old in mint condition with the box, manual, remote, etc. The 120 watts x 2 versus 80 watts x 2 might not be hugely noticeable, but if you're going to have the unit a while you may as well spend just a little more $$ and get the 3480. I agree with what you say about the coolness factor. HK really did a great job to the cosmetics of the unit!

Lookin good! Any way to move the front speakers just a little farther apart and toe them in towards the central listening position? I think you'll like the results!

Need me to go take a look? [6]

Well, considering that the KLF30s are my friend's and I don't actually own them, the choice is pretty clear. []. However, if both pairs were mine, I'd stick with the Forte IIs. I think in music and movies there's more midrange information than there is bass or treble. Like I said, the treble seems a little clearer in the KLF30s, but I really love the midrange that the Forte IIs have. Even though the KLF30s have a higher sensitivity rating, those 'little' Fortes can really put out some serious SPLs and sound amazing while doing it. Looks like max output of the Forte II according to Klipsch is 119dB. PLENTY loud for virtually anyone. Plus I like the fact that I don't have to worry about breaking my back when moving the Fortes around. 67 pounds versus 102 pounds.

Would rope caulking have any benefit in a Forte II speaker?

I somewhat wish I would have hung on to the 730 I had. I would have loved to hear the unit with my Fortes.

I've done an extensive KLF30/Forte II A/B comparision. The midrange sounds more natural in the Forte IIs, the treble is clearer in the KLF30s. The bass hits harder in the KLF30s. The KLF30s are noticeably more efficient than the Forte IIs, but I believe the KLF20s are probably rated very close to Fortes as far as efficiency.

Some scratches and dings won't affect the sound. Make sure the passive radiator in the back isn't damaged or punctured. Turn the music up to a decent level and listen to each speaker separately. Put your ear to each driver to make sure sound is coming from them. Doesn't take too much to make sure the drivers are working good.

The most common room treatment (other than basic furniture, curtains and other items that help deaden echoes and other anomalies) is treating the side walls next to the speakers and lessening the early reflections. I placed 4 12"x12" 2" thick foam wedge squares on each wall next to my speakers and it has improved stereo separation noticeably. It has also lessened the reflections from the side wall, resulting in absorbing the over-emphasized midrange and treble frequencies by having the speakers close to the wall. The 'mirror trick' worked well for me. What I did was sit where I normally listen to music or watch TV and had my wife take a large mirror and place it flat against the side wall until I could see the reflection of the treble horn in the mirror. I repeated with the other speaker and the other wall and marked the exact spot where the treble horn reflection was seen. I then used that spot as the center of the 4 wedge tiles. In the corners in the front and back of the room I installed a 24" long 3" square foam block that is flanked by 2 12"x12" foam wedge squares. This has helped lessen the echoes in the room and also has made the sound seem more forward. I have a 2 channel setup, so my room treatments may be different than someone with a surround setup. I bought a pack from www.foambymail.com through their eBay store and only ended up using half of the tiles. I have a friend who's doing a custom home theater in his basement that I may let use the rest.

Do you have the high frequency/low frequency jumpers in place? If not, how do you have the speakers wired?

Wattage ratings need to be taken with a grain of salt. The F-3 speakers are incredibly efficient, and if you were truly driving 110 watts into each of them, you'd be putting out about 121 decibels which is louder than virtually anyone is comfortable listening to. I've listened to the F-3 at Best Buy, albeit not in exactly ideal conditions, and they sounded very good even at loud levels. I'm not sure that receiver was hooked up to them, but Denon is a brand that usually matches up well with Klipsch speakers.

Keep the ideas coming, my wife is open to the idea of going but I'd like to sweeten the deal for her. I'm no Chippendale dancer but I can do a great Chris Farley impression! []

With the things I've sold on eBay, I send the item as soon as I make a funds transfer into my checking or savings account from PayPal. I don't wait until the funds actually get deposited to my bank, but as soon as I get a confirmation that the transfer to my checking/savings account is being processed.

I read words like "musicality, detail, purity, harmonic expansiveness, attack, sustain, decay, realism" and gathered that the author grabbed a book of Audiology 101 and perused the index to think of words to use. The biggest difference one wire can make is an errant strand of copper connecting those oh so closely spaced + and - connectors.

Good thing she used a portable stereo and not a pair of Klipsch. She probably would have received the death penalty! On a side note, more than a few times I've come home early or unexpectedly only to find my wife listening to music so loud I can hear it outside with all the windows closed and my system is in the basement! Funny how she won't let me listen to music as loudly as that when I'm home with her.

I really wish I had a larger area to work with in my home for my audio setup. My main basement room is only 10 feet wide. I did have the stereo set up along the long wall for a time, but we had to sit so close to the TV and we couldn't really set up other chairs so that more than a couple of people could watch TV at the same time I decided to move everything back to the short wall. I have 2" acoustic wedge foam on the side walls to lessen early reflections. I've always had my speakers butted right up to the walls so that they had the maximum separation between the two of them. Maybe today I'll do some experimenting with positioning and see what sounds best.

Oh, sorry. I just saw that pair had ended for $522 and you said you got yours for $522. The high bidder on that pair was worthog2002 and your username is spacelord2002. Too many coincidences I guess. Do you have the link to the ones you won?

Are you going to try the vacuum cleaner trick and try and suck out the dented in dust cap on the passive woofer? I was going to mention that I paid $275 for my near mint Forte IIs, but then thought maybe I shouldn't. []

www.foambymail.com

Even though size doesn't matter, I would assume price does? [] How much do you want to spend? Do you want to buy new or do you want to look at pre-owned?

Congrats on the SVS. You'll love it! Just make sure you spend some good time positioning it in the room correctly and adjusting the gain and phase. Its well worth it!

Yes, as you know, phase and sub placement can be difficult to dial in and play a huge part in audible output. My 16-46 PC+ has some huge output in my 10x23x7 room.

You can just make out "KG" something on the tag.

Thanks for the replies. I understand your explanation and it makes 100% sense. I guess from now on I'll make sure to have everything on for a bit before any demoing or listening sessions!