Paladin

That's exactly what my L-710's look like, except smaller of course. And two 6" drivers instead of 8". Mine also need to be refinished there are a few scratches on them, and I think someone used mine on a dirty hard floor because the bottoms are really badly scratched up. They look good though. My mid and tweet domes are somewhat sticky, "tacky" is a better word, if you touch them and look like silk. The tops of them (the high sides) are covered with dust and grit that I cannot remove. As I said I suspect these were used in a dirty environment (maybe an unfinished basement or something). I'm pretty sure it may be affecting sound quality.

That's interesting that you have (or had) some ADS speakers Picky. My 710's were picked up second hand. However they have the (apparently) desireable buff-colored metal grilles (finish is walnut) as well as the original Braun 6" woofers with the rubber surrounds. I've had some other people tell me they lusted after this or the 810 you mentioned back in the day. I haven't totally decided if I'm going to keep them or sell them... Anyway...after thinking about this thread I remembered I took some pics of the H-III's while I had them. It might help to see them in an actual room, as while "compact" they aren't small. However you can see the beautiful cherry lacquer finish on them. Click the links below to view...all images are 800x600px. http://paladinet.com/hostpics/H-III-Boxes.jpg (87K) Those are the boxes they come in, I thought the PWK logo which wrapped around the side of the box, but also could be made by putting two boxes together was rather cool. These were apparently an early set which were initially sent to Mr. Kauffman, who was quite influential in the re-design of the H-III as I do believe. http://paladinet.com/hostpics/H-III-Room.jpg (70K) This shows the H-III's sitting in my living room, note I didn't play them spaced that far apart, that's just what I did after un-boxing...I moved the 81's out of the way (or replaced them with the H-III's on those stands). http://paladinet.com/hostpics/H-III-and-RB-81-Front.jpg (85K) Here's a front-on of the H-III and my RB-81 on a stand...note the classic Aragon equipment lurking just to the right... http://paladinet.com/hostpics/H-III-and-RB-81-Side.jpg (85K) This shows the side of the H-III and RB-81. Note the book matching of the veneer on the H-III (well...I think, either that or it was a really nice single piece of veneer on the side there), I also popped the grille off for this shot (they're magnetically attached now just like Ref, Icon, and Palladium). Oh and by the way, I actually didn't borrow these speakers from Klipsch. Rather they were on loan from the "House of Klipsch" collection []. Props to Mr. Colter for that. Also, for the curious...the large floorstanders hanging out in the corners are vintage ESS AMT-3 Heil Rock Monitors...I was using those as mains for my surround system until I got the wood...er an Icon Wood system [] There are two systems in that room. The 81's are used for 2ch only.

Hi...moved this to 2-Channel where you'll likely get quite a few opinions on this speaker (or the previous Heresy versions in general). Even I can comment. I had an opportunity about a year ago to audition a pair of H-III's at home. I'm currently running RB-81's and was at that time so that's what I compared them to. I am also using a pair of RW-8 subwoofers to pick up the bottom end roll off, however I listened to both pairs of speakers with and without the subs. What I can say is that the audible differences between the speakers was mostly nuanced, as they're both really very good. The H-III is of course more sensitive at 99dB 1w/1m which is 3dB louder than the RB-81. At either sensitivity I think you'd be fine with your low wattage amp...but more so with the H-III. At 1/8th of a watt you'd be somewhere around 90dB at 1m and with 4 watts you'd be running something like 105dB which is pretty stupid loud. One of the more curious tests I did was floor vs. stand placement of the H-III. The RB-81 of course really doesn't go on the floor it's supposed to be on a stand, bookshelf, or even wall mounted (you can do all that with an H-III too). However the H-III was interesting both on the floor with it's tilted-back riser and on a 30" stand. On the floor the bass response was enhanced and the midrange seemed warmer. On the stands the bass dried up a bit but on the whole everything sounded a tad more neutral...more analytical I suppose. While on the floor the H-III's imaged quite nicely, the soundstage (to me) floated above and in front of the speakers. Not at all what you'd expect with a speaker that small sitting on the floor. That said, I think both of these qualities improved immensely (to me) by stand placement. I got a more air...more depth in the soundfield to my ears on the stands. As for brightness...well that's a subjective matter. Prior to my RB-81's I was running an old pair of ADS L-710's (which are 3-way dome-n-cone speakers) and I also have a lot of experience listening to electrostats as my dad is a fan of that type of speaker and has a huge pair of SoundLabs. When I started listening to Klipsch speakers it was like "There's the top-end I was missing!" I said earlier "analytical", I think the horn sound, well the Klipsch horn sound anyway is very accurate and detailed all through the mid and top frequencies. Of course I find this preferential, others might not. I will say that percussion, especially piano, sound excellent on horns. And...yes the bass is a bit dry (on both speakers here) but the bass they do have is tight and musical. If you are trying to go with a full-range 2-ch solution I would higly recommend patching in a pair of subs...which as I mentioned is how I use my RB-81's. Also, from a purely superficial standpoint, but I like the classic look of the Heresey. The real-wood veneer and classic black-weave grille I think look really good. I also like how it looks on the floor with the arch cut-out in the riser (even though if I had a pair I'd go with stands) The only reason I don't have a pair of H-III's is because the RB-81 is so close and I'm saving up for something bigger in the Heritage line to upgrade to [].

...Exactly... In my house huge floorstanders aren't necessary. I'm using bookshelves and a pair of small subs. If I had a large dedicated listening room things might be different. For example if I were to put my Father's SoundLab M-1's in my 17x14 living room, besides not having room for much else, (M1 panels are 3 feet wide and 7 feet tall), they would overplay the room badly. They work fine in his 15x30 listening room however. BTW: Amy's right. You really need to see the Palladiums if the pictures aren't doing it for you. They're really quite beautiful. What's more fun is to hear them... I personally don't care what it looks like if it sounds good...but then WAF currently isn't an issue for me.

It's Ben Franklin...there are different versions he's attributed to have said/wrote but the one that seems to be the most common is this one: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." Always eloquent, short, and to the point, Mr. Franklin was.

Yup it's buggered, especially in FireFox. By saying that I'm also telling you I don't know how to fix it yet [] There's a helpful new tab on the posting screen called "Smilies Library" that you can use to copy and paste the BBCode for the Smilies (it's a viewer not a picker). I made it for one of the editors that doesn't have a smilies picker, but since the picker is screwey on the normal editor...there's the interem solution...

Jay, I understand now. I would deal with the inconvienent size of the RF-83's untill you get done with college and have plenty o' room in a house or apartment. I think you'll kick yourself later if you do. I think Mike's got the ticket, once you move to a larger residence you can always upgrade to something bigger in the Heritage line that wouldn't begin to fit in your dorm now. Especially considering the turn around you would make selling 83's, or if money is tight well...you've already got the 83's anyway. I thought you had these in an extra bedroom with a computer or something...like some kind of monster secondary system...LOL. ...still having '83's in a college dorm is pretty hardcore! How often do you get requests to rock the halls on the weekends? []

I believe the RB-81 and the RF-82 share the same horn and horn driver. However the Horn is crossed 200hz lower in the RB-81 than the RF-82. The RF-83 is unique in it's configuration. I don't think you're going to find the same components of RF-83 in a smaller or different box. In theory a sub and a pair of 81's ought to be a pretty respectable compact solution in place of a pair of RF-83's...like DrWho suggests. I think an audition would be required though to make a hard decision, if possible. Maybe I missed it...but you have a pair of RF-83's set up next to a desk or something? That's pretty hardcore []

I tend to agree with the good Doctor here. I own RB-81's as my main system speakers and I had the opportunity to borrow Heresy-III's for a period to compare them in my particular system (Thanks Mr. Colter!). I run the system with a pair of RW-8 subwoofers to pick up below ~50hz to whatever the RW-8 bottoms out to (something like 32hz). Now my living room is 14x17 and I found that indeed the Heresy needed a good distance to "gel" as I found myself more comfortable with the soundstage by sitting farther away from them (well the effect was achieved by moving my stands back towards the back wall). By comparison my RB-81's stand further out into the room. If you're talking about putting these very close to you on a desk or something, I would go with a Reference bookshelf over the Heresy. You might even look at the older RSX or new ICON series stuff too, it's more compact for the desktop. That and I speak from experience as you'd have a seriously hard time prying the RSX-5's I use with my computer rig out of my cold dead hands, (subwoofer required though, IMO of course). Now someone might ask which did I prefer the 81's or the H-III's in my main system? Well there wasn't anything like a hands down winner, but I did prefer the H-III. Mostly for various nuanced reasons, not for any major shining victory in some department over the 81's. Sometimes I just couldn't pick one or the other. So they're pretty close IMHO. I did prefer the H-III's on stands not on the floor. While they did sound good and imaged better than I would have suspected on the floor (I had the risers) they really sparkled on stands. With the subwoofers I didn't have to worry too much about loosing the bottom end you pick up by floorstanding them, although it did dry the midrange a little. However I really like the sound of monitors on stands out in a room, so I may be biased. Also the H-III gets a few brownie points for being a very attractive looking, all wood speaker with the retro heavy black grille cloth. I like the retro look. Not that the 81's don't look cool with the copper cones with the grilles off too... However I did think, and I could be totally wrong (remember I'm just a humble web developer not a Klipsch engineer so I don't know anything just because I work here) that the RB-81 and H-III had a similar voicing. Which I guess isn't terribly suprising; Klipsch should sound like Klipsch.

Hi...I saw Nabil's post in the "Forums" Forum. I'm sorry to hear you guys are having trouble with the GMX systems... I don't believe that our CSR's are technically required to paruze the forums, so it's possible no one has seen your request for help. You both may want to contact Klipsch directly to recieve one on one customer service in regard to your problems. Please call toll free 1-800-KLIPSCH or (1-800-554-7724) Mon-Fri 8a-5p Eastern

I'm moving this to General Questions under Home Audio since no one's replied to you. There is more user traffic in there by many members who might be able to help.

This question will definately get a much better response in the 2-Channel forum...moving to there

I bumped this over to 2-Channel...you'll get a lot better discussion in there [] But, hey welcome to the Klipsch Community! I've come across a few great deals at the Goodwill thrift stores near me too... Sansui TU-717 Tuner - $25, Sansui AU-717 Integrated Amp - $25, Sansui 660 Stereo Receiver - $10, Pioneer SX-3700 Receiver - $15, ADS L-710 Speakers $50... I haven't found any Klipsch equipment yet though...I guess people in Greenwood know good speakers and don't donate them!? LOL Good luck with more finds!

Dave, This is a good tip when there is a defect like this. Thanks for sharing it. I am moving this to Updates and Modifications so more traffic will benefit from this information.

dtel's wife is correct, this will get better traffic elsewhere, perhaps updates and modifications... Moved from the "Forum" forum to "Updates and Modifications".

I don't know if it's the oldest...but there can't be many... Gotta be some kind of record [H]

Yeah...I'm not sure what that was. I only watched some parts while somone else played it...and well...that's not Final Fantasy or at least not IMHO. ...then again I'm an old-schooler in terms of FF games...I still think IV, VI, and VII were some of the best.

Please no evil! LOL...[] But seriously if I find someone habitually and maliciously breaking threads with improper filename attachments (untill it's fixed at some point) that will result in a ban.[6]

Ah, Windowscentricism, how quaint. Now I owe my self a dollar...as I bet I would get at least one...

hmmm...yeah mine isn't either. That must be a bug. I'll look into it []...LOL

Now when you have new private messages the count of them will appear next to "Inbox" in parens in the header. However if you have no new private messages then nothing is displayed next to "Inbox" in the header, although you may still have old private messages which you have already read. A few people were requesting this, hopefully this will help to manage PM's.

heh...I'm getting ready to move into a new house. I'll take some pictures of my rig once I get squared away. That picture was taken in my room at my parent's house. Note the hip 1974 couch I'm sitting on []

Yup actually you did upload an image but it's filename was not a valid windows filename. The file the forum got was named 1:1.jpg, where in windows a colon is an invalid character in a filename. Now frankly, the forum software should catch that and parse the character out of the filename, and rename the file on the fly. At least In a multi-platform file upload scenario, like a web forum is, I'd think that would be the case. However it isn't so it's a bug. Please if you're not using windows, please rename any files you upload so that they don't have special characters in them. This microsoft KB entry has a list of characters that are illegal in windows filenames. The thread should be working fine now. Sorry that it was broken for so long... Oh and since it's the topic...you can view a picture of me here. []

Thread moved from "Forum Questions" Forum. Hopefully someone will be able to help you with your in-wall setup in the "Architectural" forum.

I hear that about lamenting the special edition of the game to just sit on the shelf....I've been doing the same thing with FF-XII. From everything I've heard since I last posted on this thread, and your impression of it...it's supposed to be excellent. Right now though I'm still going Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams...which is decent...and easy to play in little bits after work and such... I'm getting ready to move to a new house so it will probably be a while before I get to FF-XII. And as for the PS3....well besides FF-XIII there's only one thing you need to know GTA4. [Y] Those two franchises make the console worth it to me (plus the incedential blu-ray player built in doesn't hurt)