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I will pitch in his 2 bucks and give him a few Belhavens []. Insofar as last year was concerned I remember some people (after already knowing what the ground rules were--you attend you pay what everyone else pays) saying since they didn't drink or eat anything they weren't pitching in. All I can say it was great seeing some of those people walking around with their name tags when the rest of us didn't have ours the next day...) As the kids say, end of Rant. I highly recommend anyone coming to the Pilgrimage, try to make it to the mixer because it was fun meeting all of the fellow (and female) Klipschsters. BTW, the funniest moment for me came on Saturday when we were in the Heritage Room and Damon Payne recognized the new horn in the Heresy and knew it's model # by looking at it! [] I thought I was obsessed with Audio by knowing all of the speakers numbers as well as different stock numbers on components that make up this hobby. I couldn't wait to race home and tell my wife that there are people who were geekier (in a good way) than me. []

I would upgrade your amp and wait and buy the RS-7's (or something else later). I am glad to hear that people enjoy their Yamaha/Klipsch combination and I don't want to come across as being a Yammi buster. Yamaha makes good products. I have never owned the Yamaha RX-V-757. I HAVE owned the critically acclaimed Yamaha RXV-800 (along with the Yamaha RXV-795 and RXV-793). The last time I used the RXV-800 in my HT was when it was powering a Klipsch Legend series in my house. I had nothing to compare it to (since Yamaha was the only AVR brand I had owned) and was happy how it sounded. It wasn't until after I upgraded (I use this term loosely because the KLF-20's/C-7 combo sounds really sweet []) to the Reference series that I noticed the difference in AVR's. When I moved the Legends to a larger room and still being powered by the RXV-800 is when I notice the difference. I couldn't get the volume high enough before by ears started hurting. I bought a Pioneer (don't remember model #) and hooked it up and it kept shutting down at higher volumes.[:@] I took it back and purchased the discontinued Denon AVR-3803 (which if you look at just the spec sheet looks like it would be in the same class as the RXV-800). I could not believe how much difference there was in AVRs! [] Prior to getting the AVR-3803, I purchased the Denon AVR-4802R, THX Ultra II, 7 channel (or 9 channel as I have it configured) AVR for my Reference HT. I was looking at the Yamaha RX-Z-1 and the Denon AVR- 5803 but both were out of my price range and the AVR-4802R had THX ultra II certification and was $2,000 less. {On a side note--that was over 2 years ago and I don't feel the urge to upgrade.} After wondering why the dramatic difference in 2 receivers that were rated at near the same WPC (RXV-800 & AVR-3803) and through deductive reasoning, I found the big difference was in Power Consumption. Denon amps use almost 3 times as much power as the Yamaha amps. They also weigh considerably more. My conclusion: More power--Better speaker performance. I realize this could carry on to the "Separates is the only way to go with RF-7's" view, but I think upper-end Denon's are a happy bang for your buck price point, between AVRs and Separates. From my viewpoint if an AVR is going to be good for Music it will be just as good for Movies when we are talking about multichannel material. I have not demo'd the RXV-757 in my home and the Yamaha site doesn't list the Power Consumption numbers, but if the dynamics are still the same, I stand by my conclusion. I also am not trying to persuade anybody to get rid of their Yamaha (that isn't able to be returned or exhanged) that they enjoy. I just wanted to share my personal experience. []

kaiser SET say--Man of action. Thanks for doing the ground work and count me in. [Y] A couple of things come to mind. Last year was a lot of fun, but a number of people who showed up at the mixer didn't pitch in and Craig (whom I gather made the financial arrangements) got stuck with paying a considerable amount out-of-pocket. I guess BYOB goes without saying. Does anyone from the area have thoughts on a place that either caters, or is known for great southern cooking? For me this counts as holiday and dieting is going to be overlooked [] Another idea would be if someone locally has a big grill (or if one can be rented) we could plan around a cookout. The other thing I was thinking was the noise factor from one room to the other. Two rooms would be great, but if the walls are thin it could cause a problem. I am looking forward to this event. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help expedite the process.[]

Welcome to the forum, drd952.[] Imo, 3-6 months from now you won't be able to find those speakers in stores. You may have problems finding any stores that have all of the speakers you are looking at now in stock. My only other comment is with 2 RSW-12's (I haven't seen this sub in DFW stores for over a year) in the front you may want to consider stacking them. I have no experience in this, although have read on this forum that people who do--find they get more dB's along with deep, clean bass. I have a RSW 15 and RSW 12 in the same room that aren't stacked, however I have an odd shaped HT. You didn't mention what you were going to use as surrounds but I feel the RS-7's or RB-75's are also going to be difficult to find a few months from now. Of course this is just my opinion--but I am always checking Klipsch stock with my local dealers. I own all of the speakers you are looking at. I don't feel the need to upgrade and I am REALLY into the hobby of HOME THEATER. [H] Good luck with the project.

It's hard to tell exactly what your problem is. If you are using your 5 channel analog connection from your Toshiba dvd player for movies, then it's your Toshiba doing the decoding. If you are watching movies (which it appears you aren't) with either the COAX or OPT, digital connections your Yammi is doing the processing. I find it strange that vocals in movies sound bad but vocals on music sound fine. [:^)] To me, it would seem vocals are vocals. IMO, Yamaha (especially a lower end, older model) would not be a good match for a RF-7/RC-7/RB-75 HT. You will hear that RF-7's need at least a 200 watt amp to be driven to their full capabilities. I won't deny that, but I use a Denon AVR 4802R in my main HT (and a Denon AVR-3805 paired with my RB-75 bedroom HT) and I don't feel the need to upgrade to separates. Without knowing your situation, and loving the sound of my RF-7's this is what my uninformed opinion would be: 1] Find a deal on the recently discontinued RF-7's (and the RC-7 if you don't have it already) 2] Purchase an older model Denon AVR used. I saw recently on the forum a person picked up a Denon AVR- 3802 for $200. I have a Denon AVR 3803 in a Klipsch Legend system and feel you would be ecstatic connecting that to an upper end Reference HT. The recently discontinued Denon AVR 3805 should be able to be found at a good price in some stores (I have some connections in DFW if anyone is interested in picking up this model). I don't feel I have helped you much but maybe bumping this thread back to the top will get you better results. [] Good Luck. {edit: I couldn't find the RX-V557 on the Yamaha website} {edited a 2nd time [:$]--I did the search in "older products." I see that the RX-V 557 is a current model. I wouldn't pair that AVR with the RF-7's}

I have the Denon DVD 3910 and the 2910. I purchased the 3910 because of the reviews it was getting for playing back Redbook CD's and processing of DVD-A's and SACD's. Unfortunately with the lack of multichannel material, I have already gotten tired of my High Rez music collection. Buying it also didn't posses me to start listening to CD's again. It's a great player, but if you don't listen to music in these formats it would be a waste of money, IMO. The Denon DVD 2910 has the same picture quality as the 3910 and also plays High Rez music that most people (me included) wouldn't notice much of a difference in the 2 players. The DVD-3910 has better bass management and can be used with Denon Link. That would be the only advantage. On a bang for your buck basis, and with the new HD formats coming out (sometime??) I would go for the DVD-2910 unless you want the bragging rights of a DVD-3910 owner. []

Then you didn't understand my rationale for the ringing endorsement for a Klipsch product on their forum. [] If I skewed the results, I apologize. { edit: of course scooterdog is right!}

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the Denon AVR 3802. Scooterdog is giving you good advice (along with HTaddict) and it sounds like you are capitalizing on it. I also am a fan of discontinued Denon's, insofar as an excellent bang for your buck AVR recommendation. Good luck. []

It would help if you posted your system profile. Some folks may be able to give you a better idea on how to upgrade components or speakers in your system. [] I have the 25's series big brother--The RB-75's and RS-7's. When I exchanged the RS-7's and put my RB-75's in the rear (7.1 set up) I didn't notice that much difference--they both are good speakers. IMO, I would stick with what you have unless you can take a pair of RS-25's home to audition them. [] {edit: There is no link to what your room looks like}

Welcome to the forum bigdogcanada. Since this is a Klipsch forum, I voted for the rf-83 without even hearing them. []

Hey Woo. It was nice meeting you last year and your Cornwalls sounded great, but when I saw you wheeling those bad boys into the hotel last year, I couldn't help but chuckle at the irony. Surely Trey and Klipsch will be nice enough to loan any speakers for the mixer that we can agree upon. I wonder if that NEW Cornwall would be ready for an audition. []

It sounds like moving the RF-7's to surrounds and using the RF-83's as mains could be a possibility.[] BTW, I have never heard clipping from my RF-7's and I listen to Rock music LOUD.

It looks like it was taken from either the Institute of the Arts or Hotel d'Aumont. [] That is a VERY cool picture. Thanks for posting it speedball. My wife and her parents had Christmas dinner in 2001 at the top of Montparnasse Tower--The view from there was awesome!

I agree whole heartily. I have played around with the Large/Small settings on my speakers and although I understand the argument for Small--I prefer setting All of my speakers to Large. Here is a link that I found interesting and why I am glad I purchased a THX ultra II receiver. [] http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_1/feature-article-thx-1-2006-part-1.html

IMHO, finding a good deal on an RC-7 now at a dealer, or taking a chance of finding a good used one will be the best bang for your buck scenario. That being said, that new center channel looks interesting [] and should match, but at a higher cost.

I have the RF-3's and the RC-3 and like the way they sound. IMO, those front 3 speakers (if kept to factory specs) would be: 1) 3/4 the quality of the RF-5's with the RC-3 (Maybe slightly more). 2) If you throw in the rC-7 to replace the RC-3 with the RF-5's then you are getting 2/3rds (if not less--The RC-7 is awesome) the quality of the upgraded package. 3) I feel subjectively, the RF-7's/RC-7 is twice the performance of the RF-3/RC-3. 4)The RB-75 bookshelf speaker with the RC-7 would be somewhere in-between. How's that for pure speculation. [] I am fortunate enough to own all those speakers and the above is only MY OPINION. If I were you, being new to Klipsch speakers--I wouldn't buy any speakers until I heard them myself. Good Luck in building your HT. []

Hope Arkansas. The last time I was there I remember an adventurous ride to the Goat Roper. [] Definitely could have been an ad for GPS. [] I look forward to seeing everyone.

Welcome to the forum SF-91. [] The speakers you are looking at have JUST been discontinued. If you are fortunate to be able to find a dealer with them in stock you may be able to get a good deal. You also didn't mention the RF-7's but that would be my first choice for front speakers. If you can find a pair of RF-5's or RB-75's to use with the RC-7 center, and depending on your listening area, either the RS-7's or RB-75's as surrounds, would be what I would recommend. If you listen to a considerable number of Concert Dvd's or multi channel music, the RB-75's would be your best bet. If you have a small central sitting area you may also prefer the RB-75's for movies. IMO, the RS-7's would work better if you have a wider listening area with several seating situations (i.e., couch and a couple of chairs). They may also work better if you use your HT area for alot of walking around while you are enjoying multichannel material. I would pair all that up with a Denon AVR-3805 (also recently discontinued) and find a good sub. You may never need to upgrade. Also if you are on a budget you may be able to appreciate the smaller RB or RS series as surround speakers and still have a killer Home Theater. Good Luck.

Since the majority of sound on DVD's comes out of your center channel I would get the RC-7 to go with your RF-5's up front. It really is worth the extra $$$, imo. There are some people that think it mandatory for everything to timber matched perfectly, but I think your SF-1's would be OK for your surrounds. {edit} []

Welcome to the forum darianw. I auditioned the RB-35's against the RB-75's and think for mains, the RB-75's (along with the RC-7) are worth the extra money. Of the AVR's you mentioned I would go with the Denon AVR 3805. I have one paired with the RC-7 and RB-75's and it sounds sweet. [H] Good luck.

I agree about going back to the sales person who offered you the best deal, but I wouldn't be too sure that there are a lot of Rf-7's sitting around at dealers and in inventory right now.[:^)] I know there's not in the DFW market.

I like the guys at Tweeter. I analyzed the home Theater market for 3 years. Ultimate Electronics had some major potential, but they couldn't keep their inventory in stock (along with several other problems). I like going to the Tweeter in Lewisville and I have a friend at the Dallas location. I will PM you their names and phone number. They are knowledgeable in Home Theater and it you catch them at the right time can get a good deal. The Denon AVR- 3805 id discontinued a should be discounted. [] They could also tell you more of what kind of "upgrade " it would be to what you currently have---Watch out though--The may try to sell you some Martin Logans [] Because of business decisions they don't sell Klipsch unfortunately. [:|]

Congratulations [Y] I don't know how they will sound compared to the RF-63's but I feel certain you won't be disapointed. I'm not trading in my RF-7's.[]

I prefer the Denons to the Yamaha. I also think discontinued models are a better bang for your buck. If I was in the market for an AVR right now I would do one of two things. 1) Try to find a used Denon AVR 5803 or 4802R (both would be overkill with those synergies but if found at a good price would be a good investment,IMO). The Denon AVR-3803 is my favorite "used" bang for your buck recomendations to use with the Synergy system you are looking at. 2) The Denon AVR-3805 has recently been discontinued and should be able to be found in a DFW outlet at a consideralby reduced price with 2 year waranety. It's video switching features could make it a better option for you than the above used recomendations. {Disclaimer: My video sources plug straight into my monitor and that works for me--others may have good reason to have video and audio going through the AVR and don't mind paying extra} Also look at the HK AVRs. I have no personal experience with them but I haven't found any Klipschsters that are disapointed. Good luck. []

Welcome to the forum Allen. Klipsch is in the process of rolling out new speakers in their acclaimed Reference line and none of us (as far as I know) have heard them yet. That being said NOW is the time to try and find the last of the old Reference line before they are gone. I can't imagine the new line being head and shoulders above the old, because the bar was already set high. Unfortunately, several months ago I went to all the Klipsch dealers in the DFW area to audition speakers and check stock on upper end Reference--No one had NIB, RF-7's RB-75's, RF-5's or the RC-7 in stock. Those are the speakers to mix and match for a Home Theater. There is a post today from "HTexpert," who evidently is a Klipsch authorized dealer in California and he posted prices on what he is willing to sell his remaining inventory for. I would take his list and call the dealers in our area ( list found under "Dealers" on Klipsch site)and see if they can give you a similar deal. [] Good luck