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Citrus-based cleaners are also great for removing labels and the glue residue. I think you can get some at Wal-Mart.

KRB: Just to be clear, my comments above were not directed at you. I was merely complimenting HornEd -- I was impressed with his reply.

HornEd: It's funny, but one of the things I've noticed during my lifetime, is that the truly intellegent people I have run across do not consider race/ethnicity/nationality/etc. to be of importance. YOU provide additional evidence to suport that pattern I have noticed. Thanks for all of your great contributions to this board!

I've seen several people in the DFW area looking for K-horns. Found this in the paper: Klipschorns. Own the legend. Walnut. Best offer over $2000. 972-830-2332 Good luck!

SC: How long did it take to get your 4638? Just curious since we are neighbors and shipping durations should be equal.

That sounds like a KG4.

I saw the movie. I had heard that they used Klipsch speakers in it (I think I once saw something on Ebay about it), but I wasn't able to spot the Klipsch in the movie.

I agree that taste in music can play a big part in what type of amp is ideal. For example, if all you listened to was rap music, then solid state is probably the only way to go. On the other hand, most people don't listen to just one type of music. I am now a tube fan. I think good tubes can sound better than solid-state for just about any type of music (with rap being the possible exception). I actually like a wide variety of music, so tubes seem to work best for me. I should mention that I have auditioned only one tube amp in my system, an Audio Research VT-50. So my experience with tube amps has only one data point. The best solid state amp I had up to that point was a Jeff Rowland amp that weighed 100 lbs. This amp did sound better than the Threshold and Classe amps I previously had. I thought Rowland was as good as it got. When I bought the Rowland, I wasn't going to be able to audition it at home since I planned to buy used. So I went by what reviews I had read and recommendations from dealers. I finally wanted to get a high-quality, "high-end" amp. I considered Levinson, Rowland, Krell, Classe, and Threshold among others. After much thought, I was torn between the Levinson and Rowland. "The Krell has better bass than Classe, but the Classe is smoother" is what a dealer that carried both lines told me. They also carried Levinson and that was their reference. Someone told me that Rowlands have more "soul" than Levinson. I ended up goint to Colorado Springs on a business trip and had enough time to stop by the Jeff Rowland factory. I got the tour and got to listen to their megabuck system in their listening room. The sound was amazing. I haver heard the Krell FPB, and the top of the line Levinson, but this Rowland system sounded more refined. The sound was so clear and smooth! I guess it should have been for a system that probably cost over $100K. I decided then to get a Rowland, and that's what I did. Less than a year later, I decided to try tubes when I found the VT-50 used. I had heard the VT-100 at a dealer, and thought it sounded great, so decided to try the VT-50. Since I'm using Klipsch, I don't need the extra power. The VT-50 puts out 45 wpc. As soon as I powered up the VT-50, I knew I was going to sell the Rowland. The difference was noticable from the very start, even before the tubes warmed up. Now the one area where the Rowland had the advantage (as well as the other SS units I had) was in the bass. But honestly, the difference was very small. I don't hear any of the "weaknesses" you hear about tube amps (sloppy bass, noise, poor highs). They just aren't there with this amp. I have read several review of the VT amps from ARC, and they all seem to say that these amps are very neutral and they sound more like solid state. So maybe I haven't gotten a good taste of what tube amps sound like, but I do like this amp better than any of the solid state amps I have owned. As far as music goes with this amp, it can play it all quite well. The first CD I played with this amp was live AC/DC. They sounded better with this 45 watts tube amp than with tons of solid state power. All of my rock CD's from the 80's sounds better with this amp. I can now listen to those CD's. They didn't sound very good with solid state. I eventually plan to give SET's a shot. I think I am going to like them very much. I have been thinking about doing this for quite some time. I also think they will do well with my varied taste in music. If you are looking to impress with spectactuar sonics, then solid-state is hard to beat, but if you want to enjoy your music, then go with tubes. This of course is just my viewpoint based on the limited experiences I have had.

They seem to be from 1994.

Vavoline: If you are looking for used equipment, try the following websites: www.audioshopper.com www.audiogon.com www.audioreview.com and of course, Ebay For local sources, Audio Insight and Audio Concepts will probably be even more expensive than Hillcrest, but they do carry used gear, and sometimes you can get good deals. John Fort Audio/Video is also a good place, but I'm not sure if they carry used gear. Since you have a two-channel system, it sounds like you are going to need both an amplifier as well as a crossover. The subwoofer plate amps that dndphishin is talking about should meet your needs and may very well be the most cost effective solution. Have you received your 4638's yet?

Hey HornEd: I know you bought some Khorns (& Belle center). Have they arrived yet? If so, how do you like them? I haven't seen any comments. If I missed them, sorry, I don't read every post that's out there.

Jim: I believe the 4638 system itself is 4 Ohms (as it is already wired). If you rewired it, you are probably at 16 Ohms.

28-5/8"W x 12-1/4"D x 1"H

I recently took my Heresy I's to a party. They were being powered by a cheap (very very cheap) receiver that someone else brought along with a portable CD player. The folks at the party wanted to dance, so they played dance music, and they played it loud. While the little Heresy's didn't go real deep in the bass, the bass was definitely there. This was in a very large room (approx 30' x 40' with 15' ceilings). These speakers can be deceiving because of their size as well as their looks (the cabinets on mine aren't in the best of condition). "Those are some POWERFUL speakers" was a comment that someone said to me (not knowing they were my speakers, I just happened to be next to him). The Heresy will benefit from better amplification. Tubes are good, but if you start spending too much money on amplification, it might be wiser to put some of that money into a Cornwall or another Heritage speaker. When I sold my Classe Seventy amp a while back, I used the Heresy's to demo the amp. During the listening session, the guy mentioned to me that it was too bad I wasn't selling the Heresy's too (he owned B&W). He bought the amp, but I kept the Heresy's.

Mike, did you see the Wright Sound WPA3.5 2A3 SET Monoblocks for sale on Audiogon?

I'll be looking out!

I also think you'll be fine with 38" of wall. In my mind, it's better to have K-horns with a 38" wall (instead of the recommended 48") than to have no K-horns at all.

DD2 is right. Assuming they are all NOMINAL 8 Ohm speakers, when you connect all of them the load would be a NOMINAL 2.67 Ohm load. Nominal means average since the total load will vary based on frequency. It can go up, and it can also go down (even lower than 2.67 Ohms). I wouldn't do this if I were you. Although, you can connect the speakers in series, which would increase the load to a safer nominal impedance. However, doing this would decrease the volume of each speaker. It's probably better not to try this.

I was comparing the JBL specs between the 4648's and the 4638's and it appears that the 4638's might be able to go just a bit lower. The 4648 spec sheet says it has usable response to 35Hz and the lower frequency limits are -3dB at 45Hz and -10dB at 35Hz, where the 4638 spec sheet says it has usable response to 30Hz and the lower frequency limits are -3dB at 45Hz and -10dB at 30Hz. I would also guess that both models are very comparable, but for MY particular application the 4638 may actually be slightly better based on these spec sheets. Thanks again for the tip Tom, I've decided to go ahead and order the 4638. Hopefully they still have some left!

quote: Originally posted by dndphishin: ...Rather than buying two plate amps, could I just buy a 2 channel used amp? Yes, that is actually what I am planning on doing as well. When your speakers have a lower impedance (4 ohm), that requires the amp to be capable of putting out more current. The closer the impedence gets to zero, the closer it becomes to becoming a short circuit. 4 ohms shouldn't be a problem for most amps though (just don't get something cheapo), that is what is most common in car speakers.

Not sure what you're asking. Do you have to separate the top half from the bottom? They can be transported fully assembled. If you're moving them yourself, I highly recommend you go out and buy yourself a dolly if you don't already have one.

quote: Originally posted by justin_tx_16: hence the bumper sticker i made ! I saw yours too Justin, but I only mentioned EQ's since he was the first one to create it. I do like the way yours looks though -- it actually looks more like the font Klipsch actually used.

Sorry to hear that Ray. A somewhat similar situation happened with my company, with it eventually not gaining funding and going out of business. I know several people who can probably tell similar stories. Most startups ended up closing their doors eventually.

quote: Originally posted by TBrennan: ...in fact the lack of distortion makes them sound less "impressive" than home subs that make huge amounts of 2nd harmonic distortion or "doubling". They don't rumble like most home subs; they hit hard, shake the house and then quiet down until the next hit. Very clean and very "transient". That's exactly what I am looking for. Thanks for the info!

Some pretty cool and funny ideas. However, I would prefer the actual original Klipsch motto: "Klipsch, a legend in sound" (Just as EQ mentioned).