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Bump... sale fell through...

Still haven't moved my JL

I have a regular OPPO and it runs hot. I wouldn't say discs are hot to the touch though. It has also started to take lots of time to load BD and intermittently the disc tray fails to open. I want to check into the firmware to make sure it is upgraded, but it might be about time for the 103.

How about $85 billion in MBS / Bond purchases by the Fed every month? You could also argue that real estate prices are again vastly higher than they should be.

I dabbled in the past... That chart means strap in and hold on for dear life.

I don't know how set you are on towers for surround. I avoided it because I felt surround speakers, especially the Klipsch RS series with wide dispersion do a better job at reproducing surround effects than bookshelf's or towers. Just my opinion. Obviously, if you are really into 5 ch stereo, having full range towers would probably sound better, but for movie and SACD multi-channel source material, I think you will be just as happy with RS. With that in mind, I demo'ed the rs-62 against the rs-52 for a few days in my home and honestly couldn't tell any difference between the two except for ~$200 in price. I have been very pleased with the RS-52 for years now and recently picked up another pair for rear surround.

Search Ebay for "market value". It really is a balancing act based on condition of the unit. If the unit is in decent shape and everything works, I think you have a deal at $400 as you could easily flip it for a profit on Ebay. If meters don't work, inputs down work, bulbs are burned out, static or crackling on some of the knobs, etc I think $400 is a tad high. Probably plan on getting it serviced. Something is bound to give up at some point in the near future (if it hasn't already).

It really is up to you and your specific application / tastes. The 9090 is rated at 125 w into 8 ohm, the 9500 is rated at 85 watts into 8 ohms and the 2220 is rated at 20 watts into 8 ohms. I personally would go with the 9090 as it has the highest output (built in a time when 125 watts really meant 125 watts of pure, clean output) and the best looking of the three, IMHO as I love the needle meters on this stuff. I would have that thing completely tuned up and sitting on my table as a centerpiece in my living room for sure. I would probably hook the Marantz up in the garage. Not that it is a bad unit, but this particular model is rather low end in comparison and it would do fine for something like that. The 9500 would be cool if you plan on having a ton of other components hooked up in a totally restored vintage system as it appears to have a bit more inputs and outputs than the other two, but it is neither as powerful or visually pleasing as the 9090, again, IMHO. The only tech in the state (that I trust) charges $95 an hour +parts. He charges 2-3 hours to recap an entire Marantz 22xx and fully burn in, adjust bias, etc. Maybe a bit more if there are more serious issues broader replacements, but I have never run across that. I am sure you can find someone on the web to fully rebuild a sansui in the same ballpark price. Wood cases will help you resell if they are in good shape. Ebay wants ~$130 all day long for old wood cases or even new re-productions.

I am going to say 3 because everything got moved up off the floor and off the entertainment shelf in #4 and there is a baby gate in #5... This is a cool idea, Wish I had some pictures of my systems throughout the years.

No, If you have the chance to power it up and check it out before buying it and you are satisfied with everything or comfortable that any defects you can either live with or are willing to get repaired, you should be able to use it as long as you like before servicing it. I have bought some really dirty, rough looking stuff that I was too afraid to turn on and mess with for fear of the equipment catching fire. If that is the case, I would give the guy $20 and get it all cleaned up before powering it on. But if it looks like it is in reasonably good shape, you don't have to get it serviced. Re-capping it just like recapping your crossovers on the K horns should make it sound just like new though as the electrolytic caps dry out and muddy up the sound. Let me know how it goes and good luck! Tons of info on the web too: http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2225.html http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207005

Seems like a fair price the 9090... depending on function. Also remember, good wood case adds value, Try and beat him up on price with lamps that don't work, crackling when turning the pot controls, etc. These are literally sometimes $2 fixes that will take at most an hour of your time. Beyond that, I would seriously find a old Marantz / Sansui tech locally and get an opinion from him. They will know way more than me of what to look for and cost of repairs.

Crackling, static, popping, smoke / burning smell, lamp flutters, blown fuse (usually on the back panel, though if it doesn't power up for the demo, you might be able to get a real bargain). Not sure about the sansui, but when you power up the marantz, about 1 - 2 seconds after you should hear the speaker protection relay clearly click in. Be through, be methodical and take your time. Make sure when you are listening to make full use of ALL of the buttons and knobs with each input / output. While doing this, be sure to check each channel separately by running the balance right and then left. For example, you might have static or signal loss on Tape 1 on the left channel when you turn up the treble but then some crackling on the right channel when you goose the bass our engage the loudness button. If you are lucky, point out these little defects to the seller and see if he will drop the price. You may be able to fix it with a little cleaning using deoxit, it doesn't necessarily mean something has gone bad. Generally, if a speaker or channel is out, it is out for good until you get new components soldered on, so be sure to check both the main and remote speaker outputs. Again, gun to head, I would probably pass on the 2220B. Then again, if he only wants $50 I know I could sell that sucker for at least $75 and perhaps more regardless of what condition it is in on craigs.

I would say yes. Plan on spending some money to troubleshoot & repair either or both of these units. There are a few things you can do upfront though. First thing I do when I buy one of these vintage receivers before even powering it up is pull off the case and either vacuum or use compressed air to blow off all the accumulated dust. You would be surprised what ends up in there. I found some keys off a old keyboard rattling around once. You can use a clean rag, q-tips and a small amount of denatured alcohol to get anything grimy off. Then I will put the case back on and start testing all the inputs / outputs for function. Make notes of what works and what doesn't. Unplug and pull the case back off, pull off all knobs and buttons, pull off the face plate off and the tuner dial and replace fuse style light bulbs if necessary. Really isn't too many screws and parts to these things, but keep it all organized. This is a good time to replace the defuser paper on the back of the dial face plate. I use baking paper. Good time to clean the plastic with windex inside & out, Dust out the front cover. Brasso aluminum polish and a rag will get that silver faceplate shining again. Sansui looks similar, so all the buttons, petentiometers, switches or anything else with mechanical electrical contact gets hit with deoxit at this point and cycled multiple times. You can also hit the RCA / headphone jacks with deoxit and q tips. This is about as far as I go. I simply don't have the time to learn about electrical schematics and soldering well enough to replace electrolytic capacitors or fine tune anything else on these machines by myself. That is what I pay the tech $95 per hour to do. The most I have done is cut out and solder on a new speaker terminal output block from radio shack. If you show up to a decent tech, half-way sounding like you know what you are talking about by handling the basic cleaning and doing the troubleshooting, it should save them some time and you some money so they can get directly at fixing the real problem(s).

Ah... I would still pick the sansui for the other two reasons. Plus, it just looks like a sweet unit with that big heat sink off the back, duel radio signal meters and output meters compared to the lonely signal strength meter on the Marantz. One more bit of advice. You might call around and see if you have a local tech that can work on these. I personally have never come across a 35 year old receiver that comes out of storage without some issues. My 2270 was in "great condition". Unfortunately, something on the speaker protection circuit wasn't letting it power up properly and the right channel is failing, so now it is sitting on the bench and will probably cost $200-$300 to get restored. But same situation, had to buy it sight unseen, and $100 was worth the risk to me. Make him lower the price significantly if he won't let you demo the gear or be prepared to take it to a tech for some work.

Sight unseen, gun to head - Sansui. Why? It weighs twice as much, is rated for 6x the output over the Marantz and it is NIB. Buy both and sell the one you don't want. Ebay has a sansui 9090 with 35 bidders for $350 and the 2220 has 0 bidders at $160, so as long as you are ballpark $500 for both, I think it is a decent deal.

I don't know about the khorn / sansui part of the equation, except to say make sure you put new Crite caps on your xo network for your Klipsch heritage gear. It made a night and day difference for my heresy's when I first got them. After putting in new caps, they sound just like new. I have a fully restored 2226b running my heresy and it sounds great. That being said, I recently picked up a 2270 that has some issues and I think it sounds (and looks) better than the 2226B. 26 watts per vs 70 watts, the 70 sports a nicer wood case / blackout faceplate and the tuner seems slightly more sensitive than the 2226B. So, all else being equal (both units in good condition, aesthetics) I would probably opt for the sansui. I am sure the Khorn crowd will be all over this.

I believe your HDMI on your receiver would pass through the audio signal to the TV, so as Youthman suggests you could turn down the surround and turn up the speakers on the TV. If your receiver / TV settings or hardware doesn't allow you to do this for whatever reason, try and re-rig your current set up by running all components through your receiver, then optical audio from the receiver to the TV to get an audio signal to the TV that way. And for that matter, why not just go with RCA output from the receiver to the TV for sound? I don't know about new HDTV speakers, but I doubt you are going to lose any sound quality dropping out optical. It does seem odd that the audio from the current setup is playing through the wrong channels. However, I would strongly advise running all your components through the receiver alone. Too many products these days try and do more than they are honestly capable of and end up not doing a very good job at it IMHO, which could be part of the root problem here.

Not really following your issue here... If you are watching netflix on Xbox, how does a optical cable running from the TV (to the receiver?) come into the equation? Signal path should move from Xbox HDMI to receiver, then HDMI out off receiver to TV HDMI input. I must be missing something.

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Bar keepers friend cleaner works great on stainless.

We have some cast iron pans, which are great so long as they stay oiled maintained. We also have a full set of Viking pots and pans. Pretty spendy but we cook a lot and they last forever.

I will likely be making the switch to XLR at some point, as the pre pro's I have my eyes on all have XLR outputs and all my amps have XLR inputs. I seriously doubt there is any benefit as far as SQ goes. The only real benefit I see is a locking XLR is much more beefy than a RCA connector, which I have had come loose and not plug in fully or actually seen damaged female connectors. Good riddance I say, RCA plugs are annoying in my opinion.

Alright, got this thing all opened up and cleaned out. There was a fair amount of dust but I have seen much worse. All in all, it appears to be well cared for. Took the deoxit to the pots. Two bulbs are burned up and I don't have spares on hand, so that will have to wait. Had it up and running pretty much non stop for the past couple days now and wow! It really does sound great. I bet it will sound that much better after service / new caps. There are a few problems that will need to be addressed. There is an intermittent power flutter when it is turned on. After 20 secs or so, the power stabilizes and the speaker protection relay clicks. This doesn't happen every time, probably 70% of the time, so something is worn out and failing. Also, the AM/FM right output is missing most of the time, sometimes it comes on but when it does there is generally static. This is cured easy enough by putting it in mono. Hopefully this is a easy fix. I do notice an improvement in reception with this receiver vs my 2226B. It also looks much better to my eye with the full walnut case and darkened faceplate. Bad news is the only tech in town is completely swamped and it will probably take about 2 months before he can get it on the bench. Once complete, I will have a 2226B fully restored on the block.

Not to turn this into an echo chamber, but I have never heard a system that did not benefit from a separate amp, the clarity gained is definitely worth it. The difference isn't as pronounced as say MP3 vs CD audio quality, but it is close. I did plenty of A/B comparison when I bought my first emotiva, and the best way I can put it is that running through a modern receiver, regardless of brand, always seems to produce a "compressed" sound. Adding a separate should open it up tremendously for you.

Nice score scrap... My wife would have murdered me if I had walked in with that much gear! Some deals are just too good to pass up though... as I am a total sucker for vintage marantz receivers on craigs. I am interested in the IV RB-61 & RF-52 sets, though not right away as I have to sell a few things first. So if you still have them next month.... All boxes included? I have decided my end game is going to be 11.2 and those should do nicely for high and wide channels.