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OOOOOO! I looked but must have missed it. Thank you sir, I will contact him.

Does anyone know of a woof (because klipsch doesn't have any more apparently) that could replace the woofs in CF-4s?

Nice, man, if you were closer I'd ask if you were interested in Khorns...GLWS

Yes you do. Guckenberger came over last weekend Dennis. We were talking about the good old days when the Audio Room was on 1st Ave and then out on 6th street etc. BTW, I'd still like to take you up on the offer to listen to the faital pro drivers and horns one of these day. I have my eyes out for some Cornwall IIs and Fortes as I know you think highly of them and yes, some times, I like to listen to music loud. Go figure. I would have the latter, a cathedral. I know what you mean Tony! Good to hear from you again.

Ooo! Yeah, I remember those. I was impressed by those the last time I heard them...like 20 some years ago!

My current room is about 17x25, vaulted ceilings, a lot of insulated drapes and a rug in front of my sofa. I see no alternative to buying a few older pairs of heritage speaks and experimenting. I'd bet the heresys have the least amount of time alignment issues and with the smallest cab, I could see how those in a moderately sized room would do well.

I know some of you get to listen often to a whole lot of different speakers and I'm sure you've formed some opinions about the various strengths of the old school Klipsch speaks. I had a buddy stop over last night and we spun some vinyl and listened for hours and started reminiscing about the good old days when he worked at Audio Room and sold Klipsch and B&W and Magnepan and others. I've owned 4 pairs of Maggies, a pair of Vandersteen 3As and properly powered/set up they can do magic 3D stuff that I would never expect any Klipsch hertiage speaker to do. (and I'm cool with that due to Klipsch's other strengths. There's a reason I don't own the Maggies or Vandersteens any more) My buddy had a pair of Cornwall IIs and we were remembering all the vinyl and CDs we spun listening to them at his house with some modest electronics (NAD 3020) and how good it sounded and our old men recollections were that they imaged more precisely than my Khorns (but didn't energize the whole room etc). The Belles I used to own and khorns I currently own really have a solid center image, but nothing like the stuff than can float off center like the bigger Vandersteens or Maggies.

I have a Thorens TD320mkIII and currently using an AT-150MLX. Sounds great, but I sorta miss the moving coil thing. I'm not 100% down to these two cartridges, I liked the Denon 103 for example, but I am digging the precision of the AT sound, just wish it had a bit more "liquid" if you know what I mean.

Thanks for the replies fellas. I've measured what I consider "rocking before" and the peaks are hitting 110 db is +/ a couple from my chair about 12 feet away from the back wall (fast response C) in a 425 sq ft room and honestly, I don't do that very often. I spun some more vinyl tonight, and I'm not as exhausted and it sounded much better, peaks never quite hit 110. I think I have my answer. So last night I was probably fairly north of 112db and screaming along with with Daltrey on Who Are You when he screams "Who the **** are you...." because, in my brain, I'm still 18 and it's still 1980...anyway, I could barely hear myself. I suspect, now, all human reasonableness was gone from the human in charge of the remote and I pushed my Luxman SQ38u into cunch land. Mark, I think you're probably exactly right

My khorns started life with the AK3 network, and I recently tried the Crites AA/4500 (and some variants) as I have his excellent 120tweets. I like the AA/4500 crossover (although I have the T4 so it's not exactly the same) as I mostly listen to music at a moderate level. Last night I started listening with normal human reasonableness, but after spending yesterday in the hot sun throwing sandbags (our town is flooding) I felt like shaking the house a bit. After I started into the Who and some old Rush LPs, the volume kept creeping up. Going from memory (always a dangerous thing) it occurs to me that the AK3s may have a better job of maintaining the tonal balance and the instrument separation thing as the db level crept up. I didn't shoot a measurement with my rat shack spl meter last night, as I was in no mood to analyze. Just curious, if you guys think there is a still-sounds-great db ceiling to the gentle sloping of the AA/4500.

Roger, I'll have a look.

Pardon my ignorance, but is there an easy way to get to that?

This probably applies to all heritage speakers I'd guess. My khorns are about 20 years old, so I decided to check on the condition of the woofer door gasket. It was fine. But while I was in there I thought I'd check the woofer screws. All loose. So I started off checking all the screws I could see. Every screw I checked on my khorns was a bit loose. I didn't gorilla grip them, I just snugged them up. Something to check when you have the time.

I thought I'd mention that the Crites' 4500 sounds good even on an AK3 network which has the woofer low pass untouched and the original cap/inductor values for the high pass of the squawker, the .5mh inductor in series with the squawker and then the 4uf cap on the CT120. I am still taking the + for the tweeter off the cap for the squawker. And I'm still using the motor start oil caps for the squawker and tweet. This sounds pretty darn good.

In the fifth circle of hell, this song is on repeat for eternity...

Very cool! Why did I ever sell my belles, why? Something special about Belles.

I sent you a PM

That's some cool history!

OK, so I sorta did this, kinda, if you squint real hard.... I left the AK-3 network on the woof, so it's some bastardized variant from hell. I got some oil motor caps from Allied and, I dunno, it sounds pretty groovy and smooth. Makes me want to try some real audio oil caps, but be that as it may, I do think the A/4500 mod took some mid nasties out. I am in no hurry to change back to my dayton caps and AK-3, but I still might try the AK-3 with the different caps. I think the AK-3 sounds good, but so does this. I can tell you that I got 6 of these monster motor start caps with shipping for a little over $50, so I'm chalking this up to cheap experimentation. I will someday have enough extra stuff around the house to be able to have a couple networks built up and a/b them, which is really what I need to do.

Ha, I have Mr Crite's 120s and I'm about ready to do the same A/4500 mod. Because, why the hell not...I can always change back

Whew, thought I was the only one....

Super cool!

I absolutely love that album, but, at some points, Joni's voice seems like it was mixed too hot and it really saturates the Khorn's midrange, like at the end of the song Blue when she's doing that slow pulse vibratto thing. I've used a couple different cartridges so I don't this it's just an AT or an Ortofon issue. Anyone else experienced that?

So you're saying, nothing's really perfect? Not quite 180. So, 24db/oct supposedly has 0deg shift, probably not perfect either and, more components. Man, if I was smart, I'd figure out how Vandersteen does it with 6db/oct!

Ok, so it seems to me, in looking at the AK-3 schematic, Klipsch has 12db/oct filtering on squawker and 18db/oct on the tweet. The leads to the squawker are reversed (accounting for the 180 degree phase shift in a 12db/oct crossover) and the tweet is hooked up normally, but, since it's an 18db/oct crossover, we have a phase issue. If one had a robust tweeter like Mr Crites' 8-ohm 120 and you installed a L-R 12db/oct high pass filter at 6K, say, 1.6uf in series/.4mH in parallel and swapped the leads (like on the squawker) wouldn't the system phase be correct, at least at the network?