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Try Live at the Filmore 1968. It was just before Carlos put the last pieces of the band together. Soul Sacrifice is one of the best live recordings I have ever heard. You can hear the room and the percussion is lavish.

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I have it on CD and agree that its SQ isn't great, but I like the music. That's why I'm interested in the new version. Can someone give me the details on the new version? How do you know it's the new version and is its SQ better? I just listened to it again and as they say: Its good but not necessarily better. Its so nice to not have clicks and pops from a tired LP when listening to this great rock album at volume. I do notice the cymbals and that could be artificial. Like all who enjoy Zep its not about SQ as it is about PQ and recording rock can be a challenge. There are those here that can speak to the specifics of how a recording was mastered for LP and what was done. I suffered then and now from the limitations of my TT and cart. Good digital has revealed details I never knew existed in many recordings. But Bridge of Sighs it was more of what it was like to hear it loud and clean. Of course, horn speakers help a great deal in this respect.

Audiophilia in action. Just saying.

I cannot seem to be able to tell them apart. Some DSD has been through a PCM process so I can't see what all the fuss is about.But on the subject of DACs: From what I have learned the software that processes the data can have a huge impact on the sound. You could almost say that if the stream to the DAC isn't up to snuff then the DAC cannot improve on it. I have a ten year old Audio by Van Alstine 44.1 tube DAC that sounds fantastic when driven by Pure Music. When driven by Itunes its no better than my CD player, maybe worse. I never play a CD direct. I rip it to loss less and then process the data properly to get the best result. Since I am going to be passive crossover soon, I think I m going to try the AVA again and compare it to the Apogee Quartet that is close to current state of the art.

perhaps it is, but like Led Zep the drums and bass are where the art of the sound comes in. The MSFL version can be played loud with no irritation. The CD version of the album was tiring to listen at volumes of 90db or more.

As in a lot of things its a relative thing. My Forte IIs with Crites crossovers seemed brighter too. But in playing them in a large room I thought the soundstage was terrific. They may be more revealing as well as brighter. A touch EQ makes them perfect to my ear. If not available though they are ok anyway.

So did I, but have you heard the new one?

Not only is storage cheap, but if you need a lower res version you can convert.

I like your post a great deal. My son plays the stand-up bass and electric bass at school. I have a much better ear for good bass because of this experience. Acoustic bass is different than electric bass which is influenced heavily by the strings, pickups and amp. There is a tendency to boost the bass that has to be resisted to again not encroach on the mid range. I love Kind of Blue and the first cut So What. In the beginning the piano and bass play together. If you have it right with an amp whose damping is adequate you can tell the two apart. If not you can't. Justin Weber turned me onto The Clayton Brothers - Back in the Swing of Things. Still learning how to listen to it. Bass is tough. The listening position can have a huge impact. The room and treatments can also make or break the bottom end. So much modern music has so much more content down low. No longer do you have to reproduce a low C from an organ to need that last bottom octave.

In the Rock category I like the new version of Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs. Jazz - the new Kind of Blue is stunning but the tape noise of the master may take a little away from it.

I used to buy from Amazon and Itunes thinking MP3 was good enough. Well now I am spoiled with lossless. If you cannot get it lossless then rip it yourself. IMHO

sorry for the delayed response. I have been traveling. With the 16 ohm driver I would guess more than 110 possibly as high as 115. Don't know anything about the others.

You can only delay the low freq. output. This will work if the mid/tweeter is farther back than the woofer. If you had a horn bottom, it definitely wouldn't work as you would want to delay the mid/tweeter to align with the woofer. Bruce DBX Driverack PA+ you delay any channel.

Please don't forget us Eliptrac 400 users, Its not a K402 but its awfully good. What is lacks in coverage it makes up for in very even response. I am using mine with the Faital HF 200 that I mistakenly ordered 16 ohm. But it hasn't made any difference other than probably making them even more sensitive, My wish has always been to have a dead quiet amplifier. Ampsandsound.com Stereo 15 delivered that.

Ok, so now my email program considers the Klipsch Audio Forum as a spammer. LOL Easy fix keep em coming. Better than the OG.

Cheers!

I have a DBX Driverack PA I would let go reasonably. It was my first attempt at active and was ok to work with. I have the test microphone, manuals and original box. PM me if interested tonight. As I mentioned in the lounge, I am leaving for a little R&R this week. BTW miniDSP isn't so bad if you are comfortable with computers. Its a bit noisy though and thats why I retired mine. Software based actives are the way to go in my book. You pick a good sound card with as many channels as you need. Spend a little or spend a lot there is such a wide variety of choices.

If ya'll don't quit it I am leaving. I mean it. Really I will.

Since we have deviated from the thread substantially:I do not like maybe 90% of the "art" created that I have experienced. If the creator says its art then ok. But I nor anyone else has to like it. Also I nor anyone else has to have a sound rational for liking or disliking any art. What is interesting to me is the articulate expression of opinion based on guild posts that I can relate to.

i will take it for shipping plus an amount.

After listening to the three close together and reading all this I still maintain that the speakers and their placement with room treatments are still way more impactful to the resulting sound. Some of this amp design detail is over the top for us non-technical guys. Yes I understand I got it wrong when I used SET instead of SEP. Is the SE part more impactful to the outcome the T or P? Yes, the "single ended" attribute is a large impact on the sound, probably greater than the T or P.Yes, room and speakers are important, but amplifier differences can easily be appreciated without room treatment. I think in your setup, as I understand it, the computer and crossover is far more of a concern than anything to do with the room. You are running your source through a computer and little electronic crossover before the tube amps. That's less than ideal, compared to say, 'source--->tube amp---->speaker.' Actually if I use a high res file my Apogee sound card is no different than a good preamp. It's very much ideal other than being unusual.

My son is in his first year of trombone. During my listening session yesterday I got so fired up about old Sheffield LPs I dug up my Sheffield Wagner and played "Ride of the Valkyries" for him. Certainly not a piece to bring on tears, but some extraordinary 'bone playing in there and the power level is adequate to re-animate the dead! To "cleanse his pallet," I followed with "St. James Infirmary" from the aforementioned Louis Armstrong album. Awesome 'bone playing there of a totally different variety. He came away apparently enriched and went and practiced for quite a while... Dave Kudos for passing it on!! There are parts of Ride of the Valkyries that if played on a good system, good recording, good orchestra can get you to fist pumping. If you have a pulse....

I have been thinking about this thread and just about anything live that is played well and if amplified, amplified correctly moves me a great deal. For recorded music - Alison Krauss' Jacobs Dream is indeed a powerful song. I tend to skip over it when listening to that album because it takes ten or so minutes to recover. Its a song about a frontier family where two twin boys wander into the woods while dad is off hunting and mom is doing chores. The community rallies to find the boys but to no avail. At night Jacob dreams of a spot in the woods that is thought not to be where the boys could be. After several nights of this dream, mom convinces dad to look where the dream says the boys are and they are indeed there but had already passed away from exposure. Alison's singing has the ability to evoke great emotion and indeed she pulls out all the stops. There are little mixed in organ toots that enhance the musical emotion of the song as well as the musicianship of the band. Wagner also tends to get my Prussian going, but that's odd as I am Scotch Irish.

After listening to the three close together and reading all this I still maintain that the speakers and their placement with room treatments are still way more impactful to the resulting sound. Some of this amp design detail is over the top for us non-technical guys. Yes I understand I got it wrong when I used SET instead of SEP. Is the SE part more impactful to the outcome the T or P?