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The most lucky companion enjoying it's time in couch, while possibly hearing the music! nice... [H][]

[Y], adjusting/changing crossover would be your starting point in addition to tweaking the placement. Assuming that they are in corners already, tweak by few inches here or there and see if you like it. Likewise, also your listening position, as your basement is not finished, and you are prone to hear reflections from those concrete floors and/or walls... btw., welcome to the Klipsch Forum and congratulations in acquiring Klipschorns!!!! Good luck and HOPE you be in tune with Klipschorns...

What about capacitors' of the crossovers? Are these crossovers ever rebuilt or restored? 40 years seems a long time for these capacitors to cycle through! Good luck in your findings...

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And I will always Honor your Son! Please him know that it means a lot to me! Thanks for sharing this, Dennie [Y]

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I think, it's good to understand how Audyssey, Audyssey XT, and Audyssey XT 32 works and then use it to your best for one's setup, room,, enviornment. I typically have used both Small and/or Large settings alongwith sub-woofer to experiment with crossover frequency for Fronts, Center, Surrounds and see what sounds best. Obviously, litmus test is one's personal audio/hearing preference...

Absolutely! Today is the 10th Anniversary...

I think there is a big difference, at least that's how one of the Klipsch dealer portrayed it to me! Klipsch SW-311 is more in the league of RT-10D or 12D then RSW-10D. While, I have auditioned both RT-10D and 12D and loved it, I haven't seen or heard SW-311/310. Fingers x'ed!!! Good luck with your decision/purchase. [H] I've hold off sub-woofer purchase since some time, but not sure how long I'll be able to resist it!!![]

@ Jeff, LFE - Low Frequency Effects: Most of today's movies have LFE soundtrack separately for 'low frequency effects' and for example big explosions or thunders or other low frequency sounds are recorded on it. Line In - While, RF-52 II are tower speakers, they could be still considered as 'small' speaker as they can't handle low frequency as good as a subwoofer (between 10Hz to 120Hz range). Let's assume that you want to play120Hz and lower frequency through subwoofer, where this connection comes handy. LFE + Main: Some AVRs e.g. Denon has a option of LFE or LFE+Main. When you select LFE+Main, you can play dedicated LFE track as well as divert all frequency below crossover frequency from mains/center/surrounds to subwoofer and take advantage of subwoofer both in the case of LFE and mains (Line-In). Hope this helps!

1. bi-wire is NOT necessary and kind of waste of money... 2. speaker wire: 14 gauge shorter run and 12 gauge for longer runs (I used 12 gauge everywhere!)

Yes and those that will are the most knowledgeable people in the business: http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/ All that blog talks about is "small vs large" settings.... not specific hz levels. My mains are set to 40 hz and center to 60 hz. I also turn audyssey off after I run it because it gives weird DB gains to my LFE at odd levels. Alex from eD was the first to advise me to turn it off. At first I thought he was crazy.... and I hate to admit he was right about something but he was. My bass is smoothed out now and My main are set to take full advantage of the 10 inch woofers. @ Jason, in one post you said that RC-64 II is set at 40hz and the one above you are saying that "center to 60 hz"...Which one is correct?

Agree with this in concept...Although, I have set my RC-64 II to 60hz as the lower end range is 59hz per Klipsch site... FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 59Hz-24KHz ± 3dB Ref: http://www.klipsch.com/rc-64-ii-center-speaker

Is there a specific setting in Onkyo receiver to increase sub gain?

Is there any gain setting on Onkyo for sub-woofer? I vaguely recall that few years ago some of the Denons were plagued with something similar and there was a Subwoofer gain setting to 15dB to fix it.

Per Denon website, http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?CatId=f234eea1-3300-4537-8f59-f6cd2f3441d6&SubId=0&ProductId=14c37b13-44c8-4d7b-9b5d-5316e646e7b7, it has 'High-Current/Discrete Amplifier --- Mono Amp Design', line# 9 in 'General' section on the page. And hence that's what I meant that it doesn't make sense from the HT Lab review for the Denon AVR 4810 'Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 0.1 percent distortion at 30.9 watts'.

heavy sigh.....If you are running 4 RF-7s and RC-64 off of a Denon AVR-2808 (even bi-amped your RF-7s dip down to 2.8 Ohms in certain frequencies) you are not providing any of them with the current they need to preform efficiently especially at higher volumes. The AVR-28XX series is not rated to drive speakers with lower impedance whereas the AVR-4810 is...The Denon AVR-38XX series was a workhorse in the Denon line because it could also drive speakers with 4 Ohm impedance loads, but not at higher SPL.. Btw, you are driveing $7,000 worth of speakers with a $500 AVR's power supply and No Sub. If that could be done how great of Klipsch advertisment would that be? Regardless, if you enjoy your very nice home theater, who cares what I think. For today's price you might be in ball park regarding 2808ci (obviously I paid much more than $500 at the time of purchae as a new, but much less than 3808ci for sure...[]). Few months ago, we did audition Marantz pre-pro hooked up to RF-7 II at Klipsch dealer who has quite nice - treated room that housed both P-37F and RF-7 II at the time and overall performance seemed comparable but wasn't great. And hence, an incremental benefit to the high cost seemed pretty low to us. But, hey, I don't claim to be an audiophile and nor do I have ears to hear louder than -30dB volume settings on 2808ci for longer duration on our setup. On the subject of subwoofer, RF-7 II delivers adequate bass for our needs. We watched movie with one of our friends and they were quite impressed as well and concurred that for the size of the room we don't need a sub-woofer to add more bass. Obviously, if we add a subwoofer then it will free up RF-7 II from that duty as well less load to 2808ci driving those low end frequencies. And thus for us the upgrade path would be a sub-woofer and then the amplfier or might be both together - [].

It's just very weird for 4810ci to deliver only 30w rms power for all 7 channels per http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-4810ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures review, while 3808ci can 113.5w for 7ch. The Denon AVR 4810ci is still listed as 2nd best AVR offered by Denon (below AVR 5308ci) and not having any plan to replace it in near future (e.g. not mentioned in 2012 model lineup). Not only that, the older 4806 is able to deliver 114w all 7 channels driven per the review from Home Theater, http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_4/denon-avr-4806-receiver-12-2005-part-5.html It seems odd!

After reading through, HT Lab results for Denon AVR 4810, I tried to search for 2808ci since I was curious that why 28008ci is able to keep up with my 5.0 bi-amped setup. While, I couldn't find the review from HT Lab for 2808ci but did find for 3808ci and I think that answers the puzzle of why my Denon 2808ci is able to deliver the rated power/ampere for all 7 channels. Interestingly, Denon had listed '7 Channel Equal Power' for both 2808ci and 3808ci. Ref: Denon 3808ci review from HT Lab, http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-3808ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures; 5ch 118.9w and 7ch 113.5w Ref: Denon 3808ci - 7-Channel Equal Power feature that was used in various Denon AVR models in that year, as per Denon website, AVRs with this feature has "Amplifiers with 7-Channel Equal Power have built-in separate internal amplifiers to power each channel independently, thus allowing you to enjoy the same high power output capability per channel, giving a balanced and truly high-impact surround-sound environment but found for it's sibling which also employs EQ " . http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=f234eea1-3300-4537-8f59-f6cd2f3441d6&SubId=0&ProductId=8e41ebb0-b537-478f-acc2-b280a9ed34df Quote: 7-Channel Equal Power: 7-Channel Equal Power is a feature used in various Denon amplifiers to connect 7 speakers independently so that separate power amps connected via pre-outs are not required. It allows you to connect the second 'surround back' speaker to complement the surround back speaker for 6.1, straight off the main amplifier without adding a power amplifier to support 7.1 surround formats. Amplifiers with 7-Channel Equal Power have built-in separate internal amplifiers to power each channel independently, thus allowing you to enjoy the same high power output capability per channel, giving a balanced and truly high-impact surround-sound environment but found for it's sibling which also employs EQ Unquote: Ref: Denon 2808ci - 7-Channel Equal Power feature; same as 3808ci but 2808ci is 110w instead of 130w in the case of 3808ci. So, when compared to HT Lab's 3808ci figures it could be potentially delivering between 90-100w rms for all 7 channels and that might be the answer to my puzzle, that why it's able to keep up with my bi-amped 5.0 set-up. Never-the-less, doubling the power from 100w to 200w with pre-pro setup will certainly lead to 3dB higher SPL when compared to 100w SPL output. Basically, I'm at peace for now, until the upgrade bug takes over that 'peace'! []

As I mentioned in my last reply, the RSW-10d is a very musical sub that can hold it's own against many subs in it's price range and even some costing more. It is built with the same drivers that the RT-10d(2nd from top in Ref. IV series) is equipped with minus one passive woofer. Very tight punchy bass and spot on accurate. I did a very controlled A-B comparison with a Sunfire True Subwoofer Signature($2000.00) with its 10 inch active and 10 inch passive woofers and 2700 watts amplifier. This Sunfire did trump the Klipsch in output and low extension but it was not even close in musicality as the Klipsch was, in my opinion. I just could not force myself to replace the Klipsch with the Sunfire. As with many smaller subs, they tend to sharply roll off in the mid 20Hz range and the RSW-10d is no exception. Up until that point, the RSW-10d is one awesome sub. That is why I added a Paradigm Servo 15a to fill the gap and handle the low lows. I am a bit biased when it comes to the RSW-10d, I like it that much. Now that I added the Paradigm, the Klipsch's shortcomings has been eliminated. There are better subs for HT out there in the $1000.00 range but for music, the RSW-10d can run with the best of them. Bill Nice to know that you liked Klipsch RSW-10D from musicality point...Thumbs up! Great...

yeah...It does with Audyssey...Without the Audyssey, it there is a echo in our set up...Good to know that you like it as well...

Yor are one lucky soul to pick them up your selves! It's like going to Munich to get BMW or Ingolstadt for Audi or Wolfsburg for VW.... Enjoy!!!

I think the KLF's are great speakers but the price is on the high end of fair. Offer $1100.00 and see if he bites. I too have a "live" room with ceramic tile and high ceilings but have tamed it some with area rugs and throw pillows. Good luck, Bill If sepakers are in good condition that you expect them to be in, may be it's worth...If few nic-nacs, little lower should do...But, it all depends upon you wanting them and seller selling them.... Good luck...Wish you a good luck to be a Klipsch Owner...

Welcome to forum usmcavenger! Nice setup...Enjoy the heavenlyness of Klipsches... [H]

That's one nice setup, picky! [H]