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gotcha. so what came out the fronts & backs was just what expanded out. if it looks like i picture, i bet the razor blade will cut the majority of it free. can you post a pic? i recently repaired a set of forte size MTX speakers, they were on a shelf about 4ft high & while playing at very loud levels one vibrated off & hit the ground. broke at the top miter corners & the side panel came completely off. these are a tounge & groove type & i used gorilla glue in the groove then reassembled them & used a couple drywalll screws to hold it all together while it dried. had the same thing happen as yours, it expanded out the seams & made a small rounded bead in those areas. the razor blade worked great to carefully cut the beads off. one thing for sure is the cabinets are now stronger than they ever were & zero vibrations or buzzes. you might need to touch up with paint to cover the residue left behind. i have found krylon satin black is an excellet match for the motorboards of klipsch speakers & very close to the black woodgrain finish they use. rustoleum paints are great for metals but the sheen doesnt seem to be a good match for woods.

as an owner of many both def tech & klipsch speakers (although not those models) i think it will come down to your personal taste in a speaker. the def techs are a great speaker & with adequit power sound very very good, some like them better as they arent as bright as klipsch. while klipsch are more efficient & therefore require less power to get good volume, if you have the extra power available to drive the def techs they can sound as good or better in some ways, again based on personal preferances, components & room variations. 93db is still pretty efficient, so if you have 100+ watts per channel i think the def techs will be a very nice speaker, especially if this is for home theater use. & the built in subs are nice for what they are, granted they are not top of the line subs & wont perform as good as a seperate sub, but they take up far less space & sound very good for a combined set up. if the speakers will be in or near the corners of the room i think you will be pleasantly surprised with how good they will sound. & like you said, the build quality is 2nd to none at that price point. the boxes are braced & dampened very well & the granite base adds a nice touch. compared to a hollow box of the reference line of klipsch, they are light years ahead. i say audition them & decide which ones you like best.

try a razor blade, might be able to just get under the glue bead without damaging the wood finish itself. gorilla glue is an excellent glue & expands into the areas normal adhesives wont go, glad it fixed the rattle for you. i am curious though, why did you do it on the outside? you could have got to 80-90% of the front board from the inside & 100% of the rear board. should have accomplised the same thing & not been visible.

if the speakers are on carpet, the spikes are supposed to "couple" the speaker to the floor better & improve bass responce. so you may very well be hearing an improvement.

using firefox on my xp HP system as i type, works perfectly fine for me. might have been the version you used that had "issues" with your computer. try an older version, not the current ones, as with anything newer programs are usually intended for w7 or w8.

the ending support for xp is simply the updates you get from microsoft. the computer & o/s will still work fine. if you have a security concern just upgrade your old IE browser to mozilla firefox, it doesnt have any of the security concerns that IE8 can have. the xp computer will continue to work just fine & if you have a good anti virus software &/or firewall there isnt much of a concern at all. especiallly if you just do casual browing online or forum use etc. if you do banking or other secure type things then yes you may want to upgrade/convert to w7 or w8. chheck ebay or CL, there are tons of used desktop & laptops with w7 or w8 already installed for very good prices. i was using a w98 computer online just fine untill a couple years ago & the "support" for that ended back in early 2000's. not to mention, how often did people reallly use the windows update feature anyways, i went for a couple years without even bothering to check for updates... everything functioned fine. go get the updates a couple days before 4/8 & you should be fine for many years of basic internet useage & until the computer dies for other basic stuff like WORD & OFFFICE APPS.

1/8 tempered glass is very strong for the thickness, unless you are putting something VERY heavy on it, it should be fine as just a dust/water protector. but it can be made as thick as desired. people move fine china & glasses etc that are as thin or thinner & they survice. guess its all in how its packed. i had a piece of 3/16" smoked made for my coffee table & it gets lots of abuse & seems to be very strong. the suggested sizes come from a professional glass company owner so im fine with the thickness he recommends.

i'm actually in the process of having a set of glass tops made for my k-horns. i have a friend that owns a large glass shop that does commercial & residential custom windows & other applications. its a huge shop & he can make any size or shape of glass. i am looking into a pair for myself in 1/8" smoked with the standard polished edges, beveled is much more expensive. can do 1/4 or 3/16 too but he says for speaker tops 1/8 should be plenty & keeps the cost down. i might look into making multiple sets once i get more info on the cost & figure out shipping issues.

you are not too far, i'm in cedar rapids. i just drove to oskaloosa about a month ago to buy my k-horns. chuckab3: not to worry you, but do you listen to bass heavy music at higher than "average" volumes? thats usually when the vibration noises show up. yours could have a problem & you wouldnt even know it if you never cranked them up. but if you dont hear it, its not really a problem.

tracy, i am in iowa too. where abouts are you? PM me if you want. i agree the KLF & KG series boxes were built very poorly, many people have the same issues. if its just a couple corners lose on the back boards i would seriously consider using the tite bond or gorilla glue approach, especially if you aren't planning on keeping them for awhile & may sell them. you can add some reinforcing blocks if you want the extra insurance. as stated, good luck with the repair

cecaa: looks like you are a nickel richer! moray: i agree with your concerns about bonding melamine, however the true "structural" integrity is not really an issue here, the speakers arent supporting hundreds of pounds or part of a true "structure." the owner is simply trying to stop vibrations that only occur at extremely high volume levels, more of a pressure/vibration type situation vs structural, & even then, the cabinets are ported so the pressure is minimal. again, i agree taking them apart is best but most average speaker owners dont have that ability or the means to do that properly. i feel that the titebond glue or gorilla glue would be more than sufficient at rebonding the baffle boards to stop any vibration that might happen on very bass heavy music for a few mninutes at a time. gorilla glue worked excellent at bonding my completely seperated mtx's. & they do have that semi gloss black coating. also chances are this is only on one of the boards, usually the rear. if needed you can also add some 1" blocks in the corners & nail or screw them as well as glue to add extra strength.

good points moray. however i have used the gorilla glue on a set of MTX brand speakers & they seem to be the exact same mdf material inside as the klipsch klf & kg series. is this melamine colored? or any other way to identify it? from what i could tell the mdf of klipsch speakers is the same as most other home or car speaker mdf boxes, & the gorilla glue worked perfectly for me. on the mtx's i fixed, not only were the front & rear baffle boards lose, but the top & side panels were seperated from the rest. the speaker fell from about 4ft high while playing & actually came apart on the top & sides. mtx speakers have a channel cleared out with a router & the corresponding board fits tightly into it, kind of a tounge & groove joint, which is the same as klipsch baffle boards if i'm not mistaken. for the cost & effort involved, gorilla glue is the best option IMO, without getting into disassembly & sanding as you mentioned above. if you havent used the gorilla glue, it is incredibly strong & seems to stick to anyting it touches, even plastic, so im sure it would be sufficient for melamine too. but of course its up to the OP as to which approach is best for their speakers & abilities.

titebond is a goood option if you dont want/need to take the front & rear boards off. i suggest using something called gorilla glue, it is an amazingly strong glue & when used per the directions on the bottle, it actually creeps & expands into areas you couldnt get it into. basically you just spray or dribble a little bit of water into the seams then apply the glue & let sit, it will find its way into the seams & seal everything up permantly. its stronger than the mdf wood itself & should fix any rattles you have. as for the grilles, its worth a try with new fabric but as mentioned, you need to find some good glue. i suggest 3M spray on adhesive for fabrics. its very good & when applied correctly it should hold light duty speaker fabric no problem. its available at any auto parts store or even on amazon. good luck with teh repairs!

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can you elaborate on this a bit? what aspects sounded better? better bass, midrange, seperation, imaging etc? might help others help you in determining what could be the reasons. i cant imagine how 4 18" woofers, with adequite power & x-over settings, wouldnt have tons more bass than the K's, or that 3 la scalas & 2 heresys wouldn't have more/bettter midrange & highs than 2 k's. please provide more details about the 2 systems & the gear you are using.

nice speakers. i have the bp-30's & they are great speakers. the bi-pole design really opens up the sound stage & sweet spot. they are not as efficient or direct & in your face as klipsch or other direct radiating speakers, but for certain music & ALL movie purposes, they are hard to beat for the used prices they can go for. might want to try ebay & CL if you arent already, not many klipsch fans have heard them or will like the bi-polar sound. good luck on the sale.

not sure on the packaging service, but usually places like the ups store or fedex will package items. but you might have some luck finding your own boxes from furniture stores or other such places that recycle boxes. i ship used auto parts all the time & get all shapes & sizes of boxes from furniture stores. some just put them in the recycle dumpsters others you might have to calll & ask if they will let you have a couple. also, depending on the size of the cornwalls, walmart sells new boxes for very cheap, i think they have a 18x18x24 for about $3 each. if they arent big enough slip one into another to make a larger box, but the cornwalls might be wider than 18". good luck.

i own an 805 as well & unless my definition of "hdmi pass through" is wrong (very well could be) the 805 does allow hdmi signals to "pass through" it & send to the tv via one hdmi cable. i think there are 3 or 4 into one, so you can hook up a dvd player, vid game console & cable box etc to the receiver, then it passes it through to the tv via a single hdmi. is that not pass through? congrats on the 706, i also own the 605 for my upstairs smaller system, at 90wpc the 605 has plenty of power, makes my fortes sound very nice. think the 706 is 100wpc, plenty of power for any klipsch speaker. the 805 is 130wpc & is a great reveiver in every way. cant go wrong with onkyo for avr's.

ah yes, forgot about cafepress, thought you meant some of the old classic posters. a few of those are pretty cool. thanks. & the acoustic panels are nice too but $$$.

" i am going to get a couple klipsch posters" what klipsch posters are out there today? i havent had any luck finding any real posters from klipsch. especially the classic "ULTIMATE SOUND EXPERIENCE." care to disclose where you are finding new or used klipsch posters?

aside from the refurb thing, which may not be in the $300 budget for the power level/features you want. i suggest looking into a used onkyo, something in the tx-sr600-800 series, mainly the 705-707 or 805-807 are very nice receivers (especially for the money) they have great power, features & audysey. & hdmi pass-through if that matters. i would look either locally on CL so you can see & test it in person or look on ebay. these days buyers are protected on ebay very well, if you buy something & its not what was described you willl get a refund from the seller or ebay will refund it & then go after the seller themselves. very secure way of finding good deals IMO. & if you buy from ebay there is a company called square trade that offeres extended warranties, like 2 years for $50 or longer. if it breaks they repair it or refund your purchase price. & as with most electronics, if they make it past their burn in time, usually a few months of use, chances are very good they will live a long trouble free life. some guys dont like onkyo, but i feel they are the best bang for the buck & have power & sound quality almost as good as the other high end receivers.

thanks for the input, i wasnt aware the bass section on mid 90's ak-3's had any CAPS in it, thought they were inductors or something different than a true capacitor. but either way, i never meant to say 20 year old caps dont make a difference, just said i wasnt fully convinced that at the 20 year mark ALL caps magically became "bad." i have 25+ year old fortes & they sound excellent, bass, mids, highs, all sound great. same with my 20 year old epics & kg5.5.s i just sold. as well as friends 20+ year old klipsch & other brand speakers. also, i never said anything about the bass in my k-horns, its also excellent for the most part, my only issue is that the mids are overwhelming & not very "balanced" to the rest of the speaker, many others feel the same way. & at higher volumes this becomes more pronounced to where some will even call them "harsh." actually many people call the mids harsh at any volume level & blame the horn itself. if they were 1979 vintage speakers i would agree & refresh the x-overs, but they are 95's, 79-95 is almost as many years as 95-2014. big difference.

mach: ok thanks for clarifying that, was thrown by the 16 ohm, didnt realize the k55 driver was 16 ohm. erik: was just asking if you had a suggestion for the best valued L pad. looks like the one linked at PE is the best bet. so besides confirming the phase of the squaker, it should be an easy mod. will update this whenever i get around to attempting it. thanks again for the input & advice.

16 ohm? will that work for my 8 ohm speakers? erik: any suggestions on the best value L pad to buy?

1 new epic cf-4 12" woofer. this is new & never used, ordered from klipsch in the 90's as a backup & never taken out of the box except for piccs. $100 plus shipping of about $10-$15 in usa. will try to post pics asap.