Dave A

I like this one though and think he is quite entertaining. He has an autoreact button that won't quit.

Be very careful HDBRbuilder. This is the guy who told Roy he did not know what he was doing and if Roy doesn't you surely don't and I know I don't because I have been told so. But since I don't know I will ask for clarification. " MDF is easier to veneer. (it's surface is more consistent. No knots, etc..); " So basically you have never seen Baltic Birch or you would know it has no knots. " MDF is easier to make precise cuts, to shape, to route for recessed drivers; " So basically what I saw on the router table while my own knot free Baltic Birch was being cut was not reality, correct? " MDF is more consistent from sheet to sheet; " I don't know but you have manufacturing tolerances to quote no doubt so post them. " MDF is slightly less expensive, but it's significantly heavier. MDF speakers are probably more expensive to ship due to heavier weight (which challenges the "Bean counters prefer it 'cause it's cheaper" argument); " Boy you are in for it now HDBRbuilder " Klipsch Pro Series speakers have MDF baffles. " I don't know about that since the literature you love to quote talks about motorboards not baffles. Baffles are little wood thingies that go inside some of the speaker cabinets.

It's amazing. You push a button and up pops OD just like magic!! On a serious note some are builders with knowledge and some are consumers with opinions. Some consumers are informed ones and others are not. I always like to watch cnc run equipment and the big router table these motorboards were cut on was fun to watch. Up cutting router bit for through cuts so no splinters on the bottom and down cutting for the recessed sections to prevent splintering on the top. Cutting whole pieces was down cut for the first 1/8" and up cut for the through cut and like a hot knife through butter the router does not care what the wood is and the dimensional tolerances are the same for anything. It's a bit amusing to read your diatribes and then think about how things really work while I watch it done before my very eyes.

Not so bad here in the alternate universe. $48 per 5' x 5' sheet including tax. I am betting that someone with significant buying power probably gets it for a fair amount less. Just finished reworking my last KPT-456 bass bin. It had been toppled forward at one time and the only thing that happened was the motorboard at the top shifted forward to meet the floor it had fallen onto. A splash of glue back into the split joints and some clamps and a rubber mallet to get it all back in place and good to go. I really doubt MDF would have survived intact. For under $100 a new set of Cornwalls could have been built with superior material.

In another Galaxy somewhere in Tennessee where MBAliens do not run things, where Obie-wan Kenobe chooses the wood for Luke Skywalker, 25mm Baltic Birch prevails against the Dark Side and the only sawdust present is on the floor and in the dust collector.

I would say any made from 100% plywood will have the best sound and warranty.🙊😏

You changed a label just so Carl could lose didn't you.

You are on and give the Martini to jimjimbo when you see him next after you admit to defeat.

Enjoy as you have something few people will ever have much less even get to hear. Once you go this far you can never go back though.

Gotta disagree with you on this one. The K-43's are more musical and wont go as low and the K-33's. You want a little more bass get 33's and if you like better mid range sound stay with the 43's That's a really big magnet for a 33. I think it's a 43.

Oh I did not know whether you were talking to Dave 1, Dave 2 or Dave3. I had some LSI's that toured with the Oak Ridge Boys. Besides being beat up more than any I have ever seen one of them had serious char marks on the top of the slot inside the doghouse and going out into the back area. They must have pulled the power just before they started flaming. I don't have much regard for "professional" SLV guys. Those same geniuses after burning up some K-43's replaced them with woofers labeled "Taiwan".

No way I told him $2,800 EACH. I said to him you need to start lifting weights so you can carry off all the loot in one trip. At least he listened to part of what I said.

You are right Tom two different topics. Just to clarify I am interested in the cabinet interior and not the room.

Yup the answer is be prepared to drive maybe hundreds of miles to get a set for cash and then sell the Fortes. Or sell the Fortes first and suffer audio withdrawal until you get another fix. There was a set of Chorus II's for sale nearby for $1,600 which is crazy high for stock speakers even in perfect shape. The ad was gone a few days later and I don't know if they sold and if they did for how much.

Most speakers I have been into seem to do nothing internally to avoid these although I guess the size of the cabinet and it's shape can help out. I know there is the point of diminishing returns I just don't know where they are. For instance I was advised to have a smooth faced motorboard with rounded edges on the front face of the speaker and no grilles. I don't buy into the idea these make serious differences when I have had some Klipch pro gear that has recessed motorboards and the ports are square at the end and the exterior corners are square and the grille has expanded metal with grille cloth or perforated metal and they still sound awesome. I have seen way to many torn cones to want to ever do this bare faced speaker stuff. Roy talks about headroom and perhaps this is part of it. For example the Chorus I uses the same components as the KP-301 except for the crossover which is different and the KP-301 is rated for much more output. The cabinet is also almost exactly the same in cu" but the exterior shape is different. I am interested in why. All these things contribute but which are worth pursuing?

I think I might just ask Roy next week and see if he will answer. It's the baffle in the KPT-456 bass bin that started this question in my mind and he had a hand in that I believe.

OK what is this?

OK I have questions regarding standing waves. How do you know you have a problem with them and how can you measure for them to determine the effectiveness of the addition of foam or baffles or both. What general good construction practices help you avoid these?

When I first set them up I aimed them like most do as a starting point. I noticed though that when standing or slightly off to one side or the other there was an odd increase of definition in what I could hear from the 402's. When I had another Klipsch head here and he said the same thing while standing I decided to start experimenting with aiming them. Pointing these in did not do well compared to pointing them out left to right and down top to bottom. I still occasionally fiddle with aiming them a bit but only in degree of tilt or left to right now and I must be getting close because I fool with them very little now. Caveat to this is that I have a poor listening environment. Sheet metal shop walls, concrete floor and lots of flat sheet metal surfaces abound on adjacent equipment. What I have discovered works in home theaters also though according to conversations I have had with others regarding this.

One of my favorite tunes for testing and enjoyment is Toad off the Wheels of Fire Cream album. Run it through Audacity and get the gain right on your speakers and you hear all the cymbals and little drum stick tricks and can follow Baker around his drum set like you were really there. RIP Ginger.

Thanks guys I appreciate the kind words. I can say the same thing but it means more from people like you.

Somewhere on the forum there is an article on a study done on how to get the widest perception of stereo. I think the example they used was pretend you had a couch in your listening area. The right channel would point to the left end of the couch and vice versa. I have had good success with smaller speakers doing this. The 402 and super MWM behave a bit differently though. I never point speakers right at me anymore though under any circumstance.

Yeah snowflakes cry and win way to many times with censoring what offends them but it is OK when we are offended. Double standard that is not lost on those who see it and wonder why this goes on.

How true. Mom's Alzheimers almost killed Dad. He had to be awake for most of the day and night before he relented and put her in a home because you never knew what she would do or when. We went out there and stayed for a while and he said it was the first nights sleep he had had in a long time. He was really haggard looking.

So what happened to my two comments regarding the snide confederate comment?