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    Good movie/scene to test surround sound with?

    Kathleen Battle singing "Lovers" from The House of Flying Daggers.
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    Good movie/scene to test surround sound with?

    I discovered this movie because Kathleen Battle sings the song whose leitmotif is featured throughout the movie. I think this movie would surprise a lot of people - it's not really about martial arts. This scene where we first see The Echo Game is pretty cool - Mei can't resist the challenge of The Echo Game, and it becomes apparent that she is not the "poor helpless blind girl" she pretends to be. Zhang Ziyi is gorgeous ...
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    RF-7II 's And Krell S-300i Integrated

    I think there’s been good discussion in this thread. I’ll be interested in hearing the OP’s results if he tries a different amp. FWIW, following are my thoughts. OP: You say that you listen to “classic jazz from the 50's”. It seems to me that this is one of the least demanding music genres for a hi-fi system to recreate. Is your goal to feel your body being assaulted by low frequencies (i.e., “kick your chest”), or recreate in your home a live performance of 1950s era jazz? FWIW, I’ve never experienced “natural music” (i.e., classical, chamber music, jazz, big band) “kicking me in the chest”. I attend more than 20 live classical music performances each year, including large-scale orchestral music - and I’m in awe of the power of large-scale orchestral music. However, large scale orchestral music doesn’t involve “kicking me in the chest” – even though a bass drum (and six double bass) in the symphony hall can be very powerful. As a point of reference, I’ve heard live performances in a world-class symphony hall of Mahler Symphony 2, Saint-Saëns Symphony No. 3 (Organ Symphony), Beethoven Symphony 9, Brahms German Requiem, and many other large-scale powerful works that greatly exceed the power of a jazz quartet. I suggest that if you want to challenge your hi-fi system with powerful music, get a hi-res recording (e.g., 24bit/192kHz FLAC download) of Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D minor and crank it up to the volume level of a live performance from a large pipe organ (e.g., the Wanamaker organ). In terms of demand on a hi-fi system, “classic jazz from the 50's” is far less demanding in comparison. (No disrespect intended towards you by calling your music wimpy. 😊 ) $64k question: Do you attend live performances of the music you like? Does this form your benchmark for music reproduced via your home hi-fi system? How does your RF-7II perform in comparison to your recollection of live jazz? FWIW, this is how I think you should judge the sound from your home hi-fi system. FYI, there are people on this forum who use Klipschorn with 3wpc SET amps to listen to jazz. RF-7II are 4dB less sensitive, so – painting in broad brush strokes - double the power required. In an average size room at sane listening volumes, I’d say that the RF-7II can deliver a realistic simulacrum of a live jazz performance with a tube amp rated at 10wpc, because there’s little dynamic range to jazz. (I don’t listen to jazz, but my RF-7II can successfully recreate big-band music with an 8wpc single-ended-pentode tube amp. For large-scale orchestral music (which has far greater dynamic range), a 30wpc tube amp works well.) If you’re dissatisfied with the bass from RF-7II for jazz, then something seems amiss with your hi-fi system, or you have a problem with room modes (try moving your listening position backwards or forwards), or … candidly … perhaps the problem is with your expectations. (No offense intended.) In light of the fact that RF-7II are – relatively speaking - “big boy” speakers, they should provide ample acoustic power in an average size room for 1950s era jazz without worrying about a “high current” amp. My advice: get a 6L6GC based PP tube amp with tone controls, and you can enjoy natural timbre, and tailor the frequency balance to your liking. OTOH, a subwoofer is useful for hi-res recordings of large-scale orchestral music, and pipe organ, particularly in a large room, and/or if you listen at “ear-bleed” listening volumes. And, multiple subwoofers are indicated if you want to “feel” the concussion of explosions in a Blu-ray movie “slamming against your body” - or feel the room shake during a buffalo stampede or earthquake scene in a movie. Where do you live? Perhaps it would be useful for you to hear your music on someone else’s RF-7IIs that are “dialed in”. Bottom line: If you’re happy with your RF-7II with a subwoofer, why not just “crank up” your sub? Your thoughts? P.S. In my basement system I have no problems with dynamics or deep bass, for any music. Front, center, and left speakers are Klipsch RF-7 II. A single rear speaker is a Klipsch RF-7. Subwoofers: SVS SB16-Ultra, Klipsch R-115SW. Source: Oppo UDP-205. I have multiple tube amps in this system. If I use a Scott 296 to drive the left and right channels, and a Fisher KX-200 (or Scott 272) to drive the center and (single) rear channel, there is dynamic range and frequency range approaching symphony hall experience. No problems with dynamics, or deep bass, for any genre of music. As I mentioned above, the subwoofers are useful for hi-res recordings of large-scale orchestral music, and pipe organ.
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    RF-7II 's And Krell S-300i Integrated

    OP: What genres of music do you listen to? Is the same system used for movies? I listen to classical music and opera. I use RF-7II (left, center, and right) with tube amps. IME, RF-7II deliver fairly powerful bass when driven with a 30wpc tube amp. However, I use subwoofers (SVS SB16-Ultra and Klipsch R-115SW), crossed-over via an Oppo UDP-205, in order to deliver the full dynamic range, and frequency range, of a large-scale symphony orchestra. I believe that each person must define their goals for their hi-fi system (or home theater system). Is your goal to reproduce the natural timbre – and the full dynamic range and frequency range - of orchestral instruments at realistic sound levels (i.e., concert hall levels) in an average size room? For a string quartet? For Mahler’s Symphony No. 2? Do you want to reproduce the lowest pedal notes of a pipe organ? Different genres of music place significantly different demands on a hi-fi system. For movies, do you want to feel the impact of explosions, and the rumble of a buffalo stampede? In an average size room, at reasonable sound levels, IME for most music RF-7II perform OK without a sub. However, large powered subs help deliver the full impact of hi-res recordings (e.g., SACD, Blu-ray) of music that contains significant dynamic range, and significant low frequencies. I don’t think a different amp “with more grunt” is the answer. I’d stick with a main amp that delivers “musical sound quality” (IMO a tube amp), and if you want full dynamics and full frequency range, then off-load the main amp and speakers with a crossover before the amp (e.g., Oppo universal player), and use large powered subs. IME, this works great for hi-res recordings of large-scale music, and for movies with LFE (low-frequency effects).
  5. LOL. I should have suggested that you first turn down the volume on the sub. Try a Y cable from the DAC to feed the pre-amp and sub .... but turn down the volume on the sub first ... 😊 If it sounds good ... enjoy the music ... P.S. This configuration will work best if the subwoofer has a remote volume control. You might also try the Y cable between the pre-amp and amp, so that the sub's volume level tracks with the volume level of the main speakers. (FWIW, I use Oppo players, which have "bass management", with configurable crossover parameters for the sub, and an RCA line-level sub connection, and a remote volume control. I also have volume control on most of my subs.)
  6. What is the source component? Have you proven that the subwoofer works OK? If so, what was the configuration (i.e., how were components connected) when the sub worked OK? Have you tried disconnecting the preamp from the DAC, and connecting the sub directly to the DAC? If this works, then perhaps use a Y-cable from the DAC feeding the sub and pre-amp??? We're all rooting for you ...
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    Klipsch Palladium or RF-7 III

    I was somewhat aware of the Jubilee’s history. What I meant is that Jubilee are currently marketed for commercial use – not home use - and IMO they look like it. I was wrong about the Jubilee horn’s material. Nonetheless, in my opinion the horn looks like an industrial appliance. I’m not knocking Jubilee. 😊 I am fortunate and thankful that a forum member invited me into his home, and I’ve seen and heard Jubilee. People have different tastes regarding style, but I think at least some of us agree that the flat black Jubilee with exposed horn isn’t aesthetically in the same league as the new Klipschorn or La Scala AL5 (based on pics), or the discontinued Palladium (which I own). (IMO the Palladium subwoofer is particularly handsome.) I understand that some people like the “industrial look” of the Jubilee. However, the one I saw, and the pictures I’ve seen, has exposed mounting holes on the front of the horn, and exposed mounting brackets. And there’s no grill cloth covering the horn. (I understand that some people use their speakers without grill covers. Not me.) And, I wouldn’t have a black cabinet and exposed horn in my living room – but again, I realize that people are different. (The Jubilee that have veneer on the front IMO look somewhat better.) No disrespect or offense intended for owners of Jubilee, but IMO the Jubilee doesn’t look like a finished consumer product. If I had room in my basement, I might consider a pair - if I became convinced that they could be voiced (or tuned) to excel at the classical music I love. (There’s no question that the Jube’s horn produces a “big” sound. The Jubes I heard were tuned to the owner’s taste, which is different from mine. Which is as it should be.) However, I just don’t have room for Jubilee – even in my basement. So, it’s tower speakers for me. Fortunately, I’m satisfied with my Palladium, and my RF-7II, when paired with the right tube amps. Because I think that there are some other people whose tastes and circumstances are similar to mine, I think there would be a market for a “luxury version” of RF-7III that has premium appearance. Or, a replacement for the Palladium line. Bottom line – I think that the speakers we are talking about are all high-quality speakers that can be “voiced” or “tuned” to satisfaction, based on amp selection, and/or room acoustics, and/or tone controls, and/or equalizer, etc. Different strokes for different folks …
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    Klipsch Palladium or RF-7 III

    I think the $64k question is what will be Klipsch’s next high-end speaker? Will Klipsch offer Jubilee as a finished consumer product with aesthetics on par with the new Klipschorn or La Scala AL5? FWIW, I think Klipsch is due for a new premium tower speaker, targeted for the many consumers who don’t have room for Klipschorn or La Scala, and who want a product with deluxe appearance. A replacement for Palladium? An upscale version of RF-7III?
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    Klipsch Palladium or RF-7 III

    Respectfully, Palladium and Jubilee are apples and oranges. Palladium are beautiful luxury-grade speakers that could be displayed in the finest homes. Jubilee have flat-black painted plywood cabinets, and don't even have grill cloth covering the metal horn. Jubilee are industrial products designed to be installed behind a movie theater's screen - not in the living room of a home. Plus ... there's the size ... consider carefully the dimensions of Palladium speakers vs. Jubilee ... If you are a wood worker who can install veneer on the Jubilee, and fabricate grill covers, my hat is off to you. Or, if you think that the "industrial look" of Jubilee looks cool in your "man cave" then, OK ... but recognize that many people would not have flat-black painted 42" wide cabinets and huge exposed metal horns in their living room.
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    Klipsch Palladium or RF-7 III

    I own Palladium P-37F (and P-312W subwooofer), and RF-7II (and R-115SW, and SVS SB16-Ultra subwooofers). IMO, the Palladium are a luxury product, that feature exotic (i.e., expensive) cabinet shape, and veneers. IMO, the RF-7II sound better (when paired with the right tube amp), but have plain boxes and lower grade veneers. IME ... for the classical music I love ... the key factor is synergy with the right tube amp. Here's my relevant systems that provide the basis for my opinion: TV room: Stereo speakers are Klipsch Palladium P-37F. Subwoofer: Klipsch P-312W. The source is an Oppo UDP-205. The amps are Scott 399, McIntosh MC225, Kenwood KR-9050, Fisher 800B, Fisher X-1000, Scott 299C, McIntosh MC240, and an NAD C375BEE. The tube amps are for music. The solid-state amps are for movies. A patch panel (banana plugs) allows me to connect the speakers to whichever amp I want, and Niles AXP-1 RCA selector switches connect the Oppo to the amp. Chromecast Audio for internet radio and Spotify Premium. Basement: Front, center, and left speakers are Klipsch RF-7 II. A single rear speaker is a Klipsch RF-7. Subwoofers: SVS SB16-Ultra, Klipsch R-115SW. Source: Oppo UDP-205. Amps: Scott 272, Inspire “Fire Bottle” SE Stereo Tube Amplifier HO, Scott 222C, McIntosh MX110Z tuner/preamp, Fisher KX-200, Scott 296, Pilot SA-260, Scott LK150. A patch panel allows me to connect the speakers to whichever amp I want, and F/F RCA cables enable me to connect an amp to the Oppo, and a power amp to the MX110Z. Chromecast Audio for internet radio and Spotify Premium.
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    How Much Do Your Neighbors Love Klipsch?

    Here’s my attempt at a humorous response to the guy in the video. Perhaps his neighbor could engage him in conversation, and ask him what music he HATES. Perhaps one of these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b07-yKnKRMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq0pCQXuh6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTurgi8woVU Then park a trailer full of commercial-grade speakers next to his house and blast whichever is most obnoxious in an endless loop - for the same duration of time he blasted his music. I’m kidding. To me that’s something to joke about - not actually do. If the loud music happens often, I’d suggest a calm conversation about it – neighbor to neighbor. Regarding other sources of noise, I don’t understand why manufacturers don’t put better mufflers on leaf blowers, weed eaters, lawn mowers, etc. And I don’t understand why some people remove mufflers from motorcycles, trucks, etc. IMO it’s all unnecessary noise pollution. As I said earlier, apparently some people are unfazed by loud noise, but many people find noise extremely irritating. I think there is a reasonable balance between having some tolerance, but not having to put up with frequent loud noise. I’m tolerant of an occasional loud party that goes late – e.g., a high school graduation party. We were all young once. But if a neighbor had loud parties until 3AM every week, I wouldn’t be happy. I’m tolerant of occasional dog barking – that’s part of life in the city. But I think it’s unacceptable when people leave their dog outside all day (or night) and it barks for hours. I live in an old neighborhood in the city with small lots – the houses are very close together. We have an issue every July 4. Fireworks are illegal in the city – for good reasons: noise, fire safety, and general public safety. (I have a wood roof.) Nonetheless many people set off aerial fireworks over the course of 5 days (not just on July 4). I’m tolerant of the noise on July 4, but I think 5 days of noise is unreasonable. This pits neighbor against neighbor, with heated discussions every year on Nextdoor.com. (Some people have called their neighbors “snowflakes” because they asked for peace and quiet. OTOH, some people simply don’t care that fireworks are illegal, and don’t care about how their actions negatively affect their neighbors.) Here’s an example of my real-world experience. Several years ago, I installed a single speaker on my sun porch – for one day. I was listening to opera at what I thought was a reasonable volume level, but my neighbor complained in a polite and diplomatic manner. I thanked her for bringing it to my attention, apologized and told her it would never happen again. I removed the speaker, and I now only listen indoors with my windows closed. IMO if the guy in the video blasted music once – no big deal. If he was blasting music on a regular basis, IMO that’s definitely not cool. For me, step 1 would be a calm conversation with him. If he told me to “F$%& OFF”, and continued blasting noise, I’d follow my City’s standard procedure for filing a noise complaint.
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    How Much Do Your Neighbors Love Klipsch?

    OP: Do I understand correctly that you have commercial-grade loudspeakers installed in your garage, or outdoors, and you’re playing music loud enough that neighbors are calling the police? Assuming that you sincerely want to hear different opinions, I respectfully offer the following comments. Have you considered the fact that whatever genre of music you like, your music is disliked (perhaps intensely disliked) by many other people? Have you considered that many people enjoy peace and quiet, and are bothered by loud noise, including loud music? Some have commented that if their neighbors don’t like their loud music, they have “miserable lives” or have a “total disdain for music”. If loud noise doesn’t bother you … OK … but I suggest that you recognize that loud noise does bother many other people. Your neighbors may be trying to read a book, talk on the phone, quietly listen to their music or watch TV, take a nap, or just enjoy peace and quiet. I like Klipsch speakers. With that said, I’ve always found the cocky attitude about “pissing off the neighbors” (e.g., Klipsch’s subwoofer ads) to be sophomoric, and I believe it reflects an egregious lack of consideration for other people. If you like to really “crank it up”, and your neighbors are close enough to be disturbed, perhaps you should consider getting some Klipsch headphones. Or listen to your music indoors with the windows closed – and confirm that your music is not loud outside. That’s my 2 cents …
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    Palladium P-38F

    I have a pair of Palladium P-37F and the matching P-312W subwoofer in espresso finish. IMO the P-37F needs the subwoofer. My Oppo UDP-205 universal player provides the crossover for the sub, so that the low frequencies are off-loaded from the main amp and speakers. (I have the UDP-205's crossover set at 100Hz, with the filter configured as "apodizing fast".) I use tube amps (Scott 399, McIntosh MC225, Fisher 800B, Fisher X-1000, Scott 299C, McIntosh MC240) for music (classical and opera), and a solid-state amp (NAD C375BEE) for movies. In my 12' x 13' x 8' listening room, even a 7189 PP tube amp (approx 18 wpc) has adequate power for most music. For music with high dynamic range, such as hi-res recordings of large scale orchestral music, 30 wpc of tube power works well. This system sounds great for both music and movies. A major distinction of the Palladium line is the beautiful design, and beautiful exotic veneer. If you want great sound and premium appearance, I strongly recommend the Palladium tower speakers. I'm not sure if the P-38F will need a sub - it will likely depend on your music, your room, and your ears. If you can find the matching P-312W subwoofer, I would get it. The P-312W subwoofer looks 10x better than any sub I've seen. It's a work of art. And it has a very useful remote control. If you're not concerned with premium appearance, and you need tower speakers (i.e., your room can't accommodate Klipschorn or La Scala), you might also consider the RF-7III. (I own RF-7II, and they sound great with tube amps, and only need a subwoofer for extreme low frequencies such as pipe organ.)
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    Home theater spk vs 2 channel spk

    I think that RF-7II excel at music and home theater. I haven’t heard the newer RF-7III - if I was in the market today, I’d probably buy RF-7III. (Heritage speakers such as La Scala are too wide for my spaces.) I love classical music, which involves natural instruments performing together live in a purpose-built venue (i.e., symphony hall or opera house, with no sound reinforcement system). IME, the RF-7II are capable of reproducing this natural sound, when driven by the right tube amps. (IME, RF-7II can sound harsh with solid-state amps, and can sound bright with KT88 tube amps.) Large scale orchestral music can have tremendous dynamic range, and significant bass content (e.g., bass drum, pipe organ, and multiple double bass). Modern hi-res recordings can deliver classical music’s dynamic range and powerful bass. My basement 4.2 system can deliver a near-live-classical-concert-experience. Front, center, and left speakers are Klipsch RF-7 II. A single rear speaker is a Klipsch RF-7. Subwoofers: SVS SB16-Ultra, Klipsch R-115SW. These four tower speakers plus two subwoofers provide plenty of acoustical power in this average size listening room. Recently I’ve been watching/listening to surround-sound Blu-ray video recordings of classical concerts (in addition to surround-sound opera Blu-rays) on my basement system, and I find that RF-7II and two stereo tube amps (one for L&R, one for center and single rear) provide excellent audio quality. This system’s ability to deliver dynamic impact across the full frequency range makes this system well suited for classical music and movies. (Unless perhaps someone wants to shake the floor when a movie’s LFE features an earthquake.) Source: Oppo UDP-205. The Oppo UDP-205 provides "bass management" - i.e., a built-in crossover, and a connection for a powered subwoofer. With Oppo's bass management, the low frequencies are off-loaded from the main amp and speakers, thereby facilitating greater overall dynamics. The Oppo universal players provide analog line-level RCA connections for 2.0, 2.1, and 5.1, thereby facilitating direct connection of vintage tube amps. The Oppo UDP-205 will play any modern digital format for music and movies (discs, downloads, and audio streaming via Chromecast Audio connected via TOSLINK), making the Oppo universal player well suited for music and movies. Here's the tube amps that I have in my basement system: Scott 272 (EL34), Inspire “Fire Bottle” SE Stereo Tube Amplifier HO (single-ended-pentode (SEP) power amp currently equipped with 6L6GC), Scott 222C (7189), McIntosh MX110Z tuner/preamp, Fisher KX-200 (7591), Scott 296 (6L6GC), Pilot SA-260 (EL34), Scott LK150 (KT88). A patch panel allows me to connect the speakers to whichever amp(s) I want, and F/F RCA cables enable me to connect an amp to the Oppo, and a power amp to the MX110Z (if I choose to have a pre-amp in the audio chain). IMO, my basement system sounds great for music and movies. (I have 2 other hi-fi systems (2.1) that do double duty for movies and music, one featuring Palladium P-37F, the other Snell Type CV.) Moreover, my favorite format for music is Blu-ray discs featuring high-def video and hi-res surround-sound (DTS-HD MA 5.1). Therefore, for me there really is no distinction between movies and music. Following are two posts discussing Blu-ray audio/video recordings of classical orchestral music. (Additionally, there are many Blu-ray audio/video recordings of opera and ballet.) https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/181673-tvmovie-audio-superior-to-music/&do=findComment&comment=2351668 https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/181673-tvmovie-audio-superior-to-music/&do=findComment&comment=2352074 Many modern recordings of classical music feature hi-def video in addition to hi-res surround-sound audio. Those modern classical recordings that don’t feature video usually feature hi-res surround sound (e.g., SACD or Pure Audio Blu-ray), and the HDTV is useful in navigating the recording’s menus. Bottom line: for me, there’s no distinction between a speaker’s suitability for music vs. movies, or a hi-fi system’s suitability for music vs. movies. Based on the genre of music I like, home playback systems for music and movies have already converged.
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