RoboKlipsch

Thank you and great to hear! I'm looking forward to the review when you put them in. One element of the ADX's is they have mounting holes that are 4" apart (I think in a 4-square shape). That is smaller than the distance between the holes on either of the other models. It doesn't sound like it will matter necessarily, but you'd be surprised when you turn over the couch! The others are something like 5-1/4 or 5-1/2" apart.

My initial thought was the sub I add would compliment the RSW which seems pretty strong above 30hz

Willand. Hi and thank you. I saw that PB2000, I even contacted him a week or two ago, but he's looking for almost the same it costs to buy one new or open box. I think those test results are for one of the higher performing models...the pb does something like 102 or 103 I think at 20, which is good. But those numbers must be for their top model, those are incredible numbers.

Still going strong! RSW is a beautiful sub. Does not have a lot below 25 though.

In my basement theater I am looking for a 2nd sub, used, which is capable of hitting 100+db @ 20hz (unlike the curent sub). I know DIY is an option, and one that I have considered. But there are a lot of subs already out there, and many are used, older, etc. I'm not picky about appearance or having the original box/etc. I'm looking for a quality used sub that someone in the local area is looking to part with at a reasonable cost. Really the only spec I am looking for is to fill in the HT-movies low end a bit more. At most I would cross the sub at 80hz so no need for a lot of higher end performance. I do have space. So an old monster ported sub you don't want or need anymore, please send me a note. Even if it's a passive one that I need to power with a separate amp, I'm interested in any options. One dimension of the sub must be under 28 inches to fit through the entryways, otherwise size is not an issue. I am willing to travel as needed, maybe up to 100 miles or so. Please PM any ideas you may have. I'm hoping one of you gents with 500 subs in your setup it itching to get rid of one so it can be replaced by something else.....(lol!) Rob

Thanks to everyone for their input, derrick especially with your tips and help. CEC I understand completely....darn it

I'm surprised honestly that nobody in the forum has an interest in the bass shakers, or discussing them If you haven't tried them before, there is nothing cheaper you can add to your system that has a more fun and interesting effect if you have tried them before and have an opinion, please share With action movies or shows, it's absolutely fantastic. If you love bass, you can simulate it pretty well at lower volumes, or augment it big time with the shakers. Bumpity bump, won't bump it again but thought it was a very worthy topic.

These were purchased off of ebay within the last few weeks, I remember seeing them there and being shocked someone purchased them. Well lucky him now he's selling them locally and trying to turn a profit on them....lol

As a huge fan of video games, and someone who knows several people in the industry -- I've ready hundreds of game reviews, and played most of the same. There are many instances where the reviewer simply never played the game. Often these are written in sweeping generalities. There are many instances where it's clear they never played the whole game, and probably played for about 30 minutes. There are obvious instances where they lie and say something like, I finished the game in 6 hours. Yet, I play it as a great player, and it takes me 40+ hours to finish. Either they didn't play it at all, they used a cheat code, played it on EASY, or simply are full of s*** So I agree with many of the comments above, it's all about $$$ these days, and once a publication is trying to make money, how will they ever get that company to send them the next game for free to test before it comes out...if the last one they killed it in their review? Or how can they possibly expect advertising for that or another game when the review is so bad? No offense to anybody that liked it, but since we have a slightly older demographic here, I will liken it to the new Star Wars movie (part 7). That was a good movie? Bulls*** Yet every review talked about how it was good, and got a really high rotten tomatoes rating. Yet every person I know over the age of 30 who saw it, was bored, thought it was a carbon copy of the original series without any originality, and found the use of characters like Han Solo (dressing him in the same outfit from 30 years ago, really)? pretty lame. Yet all the review were stellar. 92% on Rotten tomatoes. What a total f***** joke

Out on ebay...auction has gone on for a week still only 1300 for 2 thx subs and the klipsch amp. Ends at 6pm cst. No affiliation. Link not provided.

Wss just kidding ym never expected u to get these. Just 4 fun

have you owned both of these? I have. The palladium is no slouch.I would take the palladium over all that you mentioned. Now if you were gonna spend a little more I would say get a ported version like the pb-12plus or the pb-13 ultra. Or a little more could get you a seaton submersive which would crush all of them hands down. I mentioned the THX model because i liked it when i heard them. Heard most of the SVS lineup, not impressed. The PB ultra is OK if you don't block off the port but it is overpriced for what you get. While it is nice to compare one brand to another none of them are very special in my opinion, i get home and listen to my horns and have a good laugh sometimes on the money people spend on a lesser product. Ebay currently has 2 of these with the amp being bid upon. 1225 is current bid, 3 days to go in case OP is interested.

I own the R-28Fs and also some of the Reference II line -- those are 100% NOT the R-28Fs. The grill is from the Reference IV/Reference ii line, it is an 82 I think. 28Fs are front ported,and use the aluminum tweeter. I'd never seen the ones you posted above Grizzog - those actually look like a different version Thank goodness Klipsch makes it so easy to know what you are getting lol!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Velodyne-HGS-18-Powered-Subwoofer-USED-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-/262411988329?hash=item3d18f92d69:g:bIQAAOSw3v5XI4~B No affiliation There are 2 available, accepting best offers Youthman I'm just saying, wouldn't these fit perfectly at the back of the theater? Orlando pickup...

The shakers are fun because..... 1) No matter what subs you have, Jurassic World just went from a silly fun movie to an experience. The dinosaur stomps are incredible. 2) At lower volumes, I can simulate the sub effects without having to blast the system, or the sub. 3) Unless you have a sub that can slam all the way down below 20...the shakers can and will simulate those frequencies through vibration. 4) I'm fairly certain that unless you have a massive sub array at full volume...you cannot really fully reproduce all the tactile sensation these create. 5) They are inexpensive. Using an old amp, I have 4 setup, cost was the shakers, a pair of FMODS, speaker wire and about 5 hours. 6) They have their own volume/shake control. At low AVR volume, you can set these to either be a very subtle addition to the sub, or slam. At high volume, you again have the choice of complimenting the sub (not distracting you but enhancing the experience) or turning them up for the big experience. 7) The shakers actually do a pretty good job of starting and stopping with the sub. There is little lag that I noticed. 8) While testing there was a time I thought the sub was on, yet it wasn't. All that bass was coming through the shakers, and at low volumes it was good enough I was fooled. Yes really. And yes, I am new so you likely wouldn't be. 9) Video games may be the single most impressive application. If you have used a modern gaming system with a shock or rumble controller, you understand what shake is. Except you don't. the bass shakers are so much more advanced, and the vibration so much more visceral, you will laugh at your controller shaking from that moment on. Call of Duty is a sick game as is everything else with shakers on...absolutely stunning. The shakers are limited with regard to.... 1) Audio fidelity. You have high grade speakers working with a vibrating speaker/shaker. With music especially, it needs to be turned down to a subtle effect or off. They are pretty good at mimicking the sub as far as starts an stops, but depending upon the content, it sounds almost perfect...or sometimes slightly muddy. 2) Location/integration. At any significant volume for the shakers, they create their own sound, no matter how much may be vibration. This sound mingles with the sound from the sub itself, and thus there is a form of a near-field sub changing the sound dynamics. This is significant, but depends upon how much LFE there is in a given movie or show. 3) The dayton ones I bought I would guess are comparable to the Aura's and the blue ones that cost 2x as much. These are all inexpensive compared to a buttkicker or the like. So if you want the entire couch to bounce up and down, the basic ones aren't enough. But being honest, I cannot imagine wanting that much bounce. And I'm a pretty hardcore gamer and movie nut. How do you "calibrate" your shaker setup? Well technically you can't, there is no "right" setting. But you can in fact run test tones with the sub on and off, and then the shakers on and off, and get a sense of how the two work together...what volume the shakers are subtle, what volume they are pronounced, at what volume do they overtake the sub. It's really like most things that can't be calibrated...a matter of trial and error. If you have a DSP-enabled amp, that will help as far as smoothing out the response. But I ask again, what does that mean, exactly? Is "right" a perfect smooth curve or experience? Personally I think if you have a DSP it would help (as derrick suggested), but without one I don't see a real need to get one for the cost. How do you set them up? I'll save that for future posts, and will take some pictures of mine for anybody who wants the reference.

I purchased and installed the FMOD. One was not enough, it still hit Xmax at higher volumes running test tones. My goal with the shakers was the same as with the sub - set it up such that it can't be overdriven. By installing both in-line, it works perfectly now. In fact, it seemed to attenuate the signal somewhat where the higher end around 60-75 is a bit more clear while before it was non-existent. Now, at any setting, it will roll off starting at 20, still vibrate down to 15 and even 10 at the higher volumes either on the AVR or the shaker amp. But it never hits XMAX, or at least I haven't tested it hard enough to do so. All I can tell people is, this is by far one of the least expensive, most fun things you can install. *****YOUTHMAN I KNOW YOU HEAR ME OUT THERE****** get some for that theater. At least test them, as they are unbelievable. Next post for more detailed thoughts --

Remember these Ultras are ones with BASH amps which are still great but not as nice as ones with the newer SLEDGE amps and DSP.Still a nice price for Ultra twins. Bill Great point Bill. It's treacherous to be a newbie and try and navigate the waters...

Never seen prices close to that for SVS in Chicago area!

How about these then if you really want the best. http://www.wisdomaudio.com/products_sts.php 350 pound $10,000 transmission line. 130 db at 20 hz. That's not in-room response. http://www.wilsonaudio.com/products/thors-hammer 545 pounds, $21,000. Flat to 16 hz, average in-room response is down to 10 hz. Both use 15's. Now I'm waiting for which irritatingly fortunate member comes on here saying they have 2 of those....lol need a forklift to bring them in!

I'm thinking you should sell off the entire theater, cancel the plans to modify the lanai, and purchase a full-on Predator drone You're driving down those crazy highways in Florida, irritated in traffic, when your Predator comes overhead and blasts out the car in front of you, clearing a path That pesky skunk in your backyard....Predator drone That neighbor who complains about the home theater...meet my drone. It's antisocial, but it sure would be fun

You rep all the fun toys! What lines do you sell if im not hijacking here...

When you go to a rock concert and it sounds crazy loud at first but then you get used to it...that is the effect you are describing.

Those speakers are light, and can be wall mounted in many different ways to support your favorite spot.

My best advice is to ignore your desire to have it done right away. You can place the fronts and center and sub immediately. The surrounds, I would recommend putting them on some boxes to start, and moving them forward, back, up and down and trust me, you'll find a spot or 2 or 3 or 5 you like. And one or more WILL have a solution once it's found. Find it first, then look for the solution that can closely match those positions. No matter what else, there is no substitute for testing it live yourself. No amount of planning or AVR correction can beat field testing it yourself. My guess is that the height of the surrounds should/will be best about 1 foot above your ear height when seated, possibly 2. Another guess is that the surrounds will sound best approximately 1 foot behind your listening position, but will sound good in many places. My experience with a 5.1 system is that they can go in a lot of places and sound good, but that there are specific places YOU will like best. That could range from a foot in front of your listening position all the way to several feet behind...thus the need to test and find your preference.

Experiment with different placements and you will find the WOW spot for them.