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It's all Claude's fault... I'm looking for anywhere from one to three Eminence Kappalite 3015LF4 woofers. The 4 ohm units seem to be out of production, but they pop up from time to time on e-Bay. I'm in the DC area if anybody local has a set. Please PM me if you can help out. Best, James

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This would be a bargain on the East Coast. They look to be in nice shape, too. The lack of grilles may put some off, but this cabinet configuration doesn’t sound any different to me than other stock H1s. The cabinet on mine feels quite solid & sturdy.

They are sold. The seller bought them from the original owner a few weeks ago. He listened to them, but did not love them, and put them up for sale or trade. I contacted the seller on a lark because I had a trip scheduled to Durham in two weeks. I had a streaming DAC / amp that he was interested in. He didn’t want to wait, but was willing to meet me half way. We’re both happy with the way it worked out. I haven’t disassembled them yet to see what’s going on. They were serviced (or at least inspected) when the new binding posts were installed. Sequential serial numbers, original paperwork, etc. More importantly, they sound great. I’m going to have to think about whether to give these the Claude J Super Heresy treatment or not. Since they have no grilles, the original drivers are part of the look.

What’s the asking price? This thread is old and the values may not reflect today’s market. Market is a reflection of time and place, as well as of supply and demand. MISB (mint in sealed box) will always command a premium, too. Asking prices around DC vary from $350 to $600 for KG-4s.

Sometimes the seller won’t take the risk, even if you offer the money. With that said, is anybody able to do a Tampa to DC run with some KSM floor monitors? They’re approximately Heresy sized industrials. Pickup and ship works, too! Please PM me if you can make a pickup in Tampa and ship or deliver to DC. Thanks, James

These appear to be a flip from a FB post that was up a few weeks ago. If so, the seller may be in a position to deal, since there’s an extra $2K on the price. New ad used the same photos as on the first FB ad. The original seller mentioned cat damaged grill cloth that can be seen on the photos, but this issue isn’t mentioned in the new listing.

My son has my H-IIs, so I haven’t done a direct comparison side by side and blind. I do have H1s and Quartets close by for comparison. Subjectively, they seem more alike than different. The KP-250s are designed to be loud, and they don’t disappoint. The networks will take a lot of power and still protect from over current induced harm. The woofers are more sensitive and that helps compensate for the forward facing ports which increase general sensitivity at the expense of raising the bass cutoff point. Those ports could accept tubes that may capture a bit more bass, but I haven’t done the research. I know that tube length and cabinet depth both influence the effectiveness of this mod. The speakers I want to test against are KP-201s, which are also H2 based, but have no porting.

These industrial speakers look like birch Heresies on the outside. The Klipsch nameplates are different, though, as are the grilles. The industrial grilles are perforated metal. Pop the grilles and you see the motor board from a KP-250 with two ports at the top. Claude recommends a single port on the back of the Super Heresy. He’s measured the rear single port to be very effective at adding something like another octave of bass beyond what a normal H1 can deliver. From what I gather, the industrials added the two front ports to increase sensitivity and volume at the expense of bass. The difference in ports alone will change the output. The ports also have a bearing on “best placement,” which may affect which speaker is best for your application. I haven’t yet modified one of my H1s to Super Heresy specs, but it’s on my list of things to do. The industrial is pretty flexible as regards placement, but the tweeter & squawker are as directional as those on other Heresies. The industrial has a KP-42 KP woofer, which is what Claude puts in Super Heresies. I haven’t verified the other drivers, but I expect something from the Heresy II era. It has a plastic network board marked for a KP-250, but I couldn’t see which variant without detaching the network—something I didn’t have the time to do. I have KP-2500Cs that also have plastic network boards, but they have very different input options—one each for HF and LF. My other KP-250s have wooden network boards. I’ll probably start a thread on the KP-250 series at some point if I find something useful to say. That’s going to take some time as I’m currently overloaded with projects. For now, I’ll just listen to them as often as I can, thankful that the OP posted the alert.

@zeagan your crossovers look awesome…almost good enough to go outside the cabinet. It’s a nice excuse to get La Scalas or K horns… Which network is yours based on? (I assume the E, but better to ask than to guess wrong.). Do you have a component list? Which tweeter, squawker, and bass components are these intended for?

Thanks. IMO, “fair price” is an apt description. It certainly wasn’t a giveaway, but it wasn’t above market when it was sold, where it was sold. At some time, in some other place, similar speakers may be available at a lower or at a higher price. For now, I don’t feel ripped off and I don’t feel like I got one over on the shop. And I’m loving the speakers…

Sale pending already. Speed of sale seems to validate the “great deal” theory.

Mounts were threaded metal inserts. Since the insert were set in from inside the cabinets, I’m thinking “factory.” Paint looks like brushed on latex. I appreciate the comments in this thread regarding price, scarcity, and value—as well as observations about bargains. In other places, people have engaged in price shaming, which I find unhelpful and disheartening. Anytime someone buys used gear there is a context of time, market, price, availability, and logistics that all have a bearing on whether a purchase is a relatively good decision—all assuming you are in a position to buy. I feel for people who only get feedback from people who bring up a “better deal” from a different seller at a different place and time. I get that people have opinions about overpayment and also pride in a great find / great deal. But I have little patience for people who thrive on being a killjoy. Glad that there was none of that here. I take the post above by Woofers & Tweeters about a $200 purchase not as shaming, but as a useful data point because it’s referencing similar speakers at a similar point in time. (Location would give the data a bit more context, but it’s not the location who set the price, but the seller.). Similarly, the $500 price point for these speakers is good data, too. It adds the dimension of a storefront that permits returns which is another factor in the price. FWIW, I did walk away with (and not from) these speakers for $500 out the door. I would have preferred perfect cabinets—and maybe even originals over version II—but these sound great and they are not embarrassing to look at as is. If I ever see a similar pair for $200, I will still jump on them, knowing that price to be a bargain. While I wait for that, I’ll be giving these some exercise, grateful that the OP popped these out for the community to see and thankful that I was in a position to look them over and to bring them home.

Looked at these yesterday. They are in a shop and the price wasn’t really negotiable without the owner in the store. Light tan paint over Baltic Birch plywood. Had machine screw mounts on the bottom. There were a few chips in the plywood at the back. The metal grille used standard spacers, but had wood screws instead of machine screws. There were also bug screens in the front facing ports and in the squawker. Each of the drivers seemed to be working fine. The speakers produced plenty of sound. As industrials, they can get loud. But they also played nicely at low volume. I think this is a key benefit of Klipsch industrials…their sensitivity (efficiency). Are they a good value at the asking price? That’s in the eye of the beholder. In the DC area, older Heresies (H700 to H2s) advertise for $800 - 1000 right now. Klipsch industrials come up for sale infrequently, so that means opportunity cost is a factor, too. Prices on Klipsch industrials are inconsistent in the DC market, but listings are rarely cheap if they are identified as Klipsch w/ model numbers. A buyer would need to determine a personal balance between time spent bargain hunting and the higher monetary cost of an identified find.

I found a nice set of KP-201s and will be able to compare the original with the version II. Still looking for a version II to complete the set.

Anybody know whether it makes a big difference if I had a mixed set of one original and one version II?

The pair in Orlando looks to be trapezoidal. Thanks for looking. If I have that wrong, please let me know. Mine is just a typical black rectangular box. It’s also a version II.

I have a single black industrial KP-201, version II. It’s the textured black paint version, not the rat fur. I’d like to find a match for it. Single or a pair would be OK. I’m on the Virginia side of the DC area and would be willing to drive a few hours to meet up. Please PM me if you’ve got something you think I’d be interested in.

CLUBSTA... How did this go? I’d be interested in two or three of the 904 bass bins. I’m in driving distance.

These are the tops to KP-450s. The best match is probably the factory bottoms, which feature dual K45s. KP-456 bottoms are similar.

I’ve been in contact with the seller and am working out shipping with him. This looks to be an interesting project.

Ports look great. Where did you get the tubing and the flared ends?

I own the passive radiators, so including them should be as economical as bass ports for me. It’s just a question of what works best for placement flexibility and for performance. As I’m thinking about doing an industrial style speaker, I’m wondering weather it makes sense to do industrial style crossovers like the KP-250 or KP-301. Those industrials have higher power handling properties than the consumer equivalents have. I’m assuming that my Quartet based industrial cross over would be different from the 301 or the 301 v2, since all the drivers are different. For example, the Quartet tractrix horn uses a K61K squawker driver and a 301 uses either a KP-66E (v2) or a K-57K (original). The woofers are obviously different based on size. Even the tweeters don’t match up. Quartet has K76K, 301 is either K792-KP (v3) or K-79K (v1). Is it worth exploring heavy duty crossovers or should I just go with a stock crossover with factory spec caps?

Thanks for all of this, but especially for the dialogue on ports vs passive radiators. I just assumed if the choice was for an industrial style cabinet, then it was also a choice for ports rather than passive radiators.

Moray... thanks for the bracing photos. I’m assuming that the thicker plywood used in the industrial line would add to cabinet shell stiffness, which, in turn, would make bracing something between less necessary and more effective. Any thoughts about swapping out the woofer and about ports vs. passive radiators in an industrial style cabinet? In addition to the comments he makes in the next post in this thread, Moray made these remarks in a similar thread on upgrading Quartets. I’m including them here to make the discussion easier to follow. “I dropped a set of KLF20 woofers into my Quartet added weight to the passive and added some damping to the cabinet in the form of high density fiberglass on the struts only and put them on four post stands which placed the centre of the mid horn at my seated ear level around 40" up off the floor. Best Bass I have achieved from any Klipsch I have owned and modified. See brace work [photos].”