Coytee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 or maybe even: 50 .75” H (128.91 cm) x 31.25” W (79.38 cm) x 28.25” D (71.75 cm) Perhaps... then again... perhaps not. Most of us talk about speakers using names, not dimensions [6]. "Heads up alert, there's a pair of 33.35x21.927 and 29 pounds on ebay today!!" [] Lets get this over with, "your a NUT" pfffft I will not call you an idiot Oh, but you will... but i do know a good hiding spot! As long as it's not under a blue dre... uh... never mind..... [:|] I mean do they just stand out compared to say rf-63 or r-83.... Stand out? with respect to what... dimensions? yes, I'd expect them to stand out in the room a tad more. height? probably be taller... weight? hmm... perhaps a few more pounds on them.... (someone is sooooooooooo going to slap me.... bad part is... it could be any one of about 45 people ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester21 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 H HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA- Step into my parlor said the spider to the fly-------boy did you take a wrong turn. welcome to homewrecker central. 10 % discount on attourney fees- hardhats to repel fyring pans- and doghouses.There is even a thread in general questions on how to build one- really!!!! No seriously-B&W is OK stuff- poor value for the money- get into the 10-20k level just for speakers and it sounds impressive. I looked at B & W myself at one time as there are 2 dealers in my area and 1 tiny Klipsch dealer that carries anything better than BB. You do not need to spend a ton for power amps. Learn the brands and pick them up form e-bay for low dollars. Run them through the pre out and they will do fine for any HT setup without getting into the crazy stuff.The reference line of speakers will stand above ANY (- NEW) speaker in this price class. If you want new or as new stuff without spending a fortune go straight to this product line. You will be thrilled with your purchase. Now the dirty little secret revealed. There are guys on this forum with 20 year old speakers and e bay treasures/electronics for 5 -10 grand total that will blow the doors off and make a total joke of any new 25-30 grand systems using B & W speakers. The word is Heritage.For 800 bucks a set of Cornwalls will rock your 2 channel or HT world. For 2 grand or less a set of klipshorns will float you into a zone of audio euphoria that you never thought possible-( you will have to have 2 corners or build false ones) The lascallas, belles, fortes. Hereseys also fall into this mix as well.They are large, heavy, sometimes imperfect in appearance, and they will get your @ss in deep trouble with the little lady.I have 6 heritage speakers- a ref center- for now- ,all separate power amps and a panny 50 " 780p. I have 8300.00 invested total in my HT setup. I will take the Pepsi challenge against any of the 30k systems at the fancy new B&W dealer around the corner and my stuff is not even finished. I realize that the TV is old technology but frankly- i dont see enough difference to upgrade at this point. Also if you do start listening to more music as I did- condsidering buying an old Mac amp/preamp setup for about 1200-1500 and setting it up as a dedicated 2 channel system using your front speakers with banana plugs or a niles switch to go back and forth. I was personally not happy with my 2 channel mode of the HT setup in my earlier system. The heritage speakers are among the best speakers in the world for music IMHO. Check out my thread- Heritage HT on a budget. Watch for frying pans and other flying objects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerjunky Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 yeah, but he wasn't using names, so i figured it was a secret...... [6] I am guessing he is talking about Klipschorn or la scala heritage speakers, as from what i have read on the forums, they seem to be the holy grail or something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 They are large, heavy, sometimes imperfect in appearance Shhhhhhh... I'm working on him right now, on this very subject however, he's currently unaware..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted February 22, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2009 You are saying the rf-63 home theater system would not be good speakers? what would you suggest? Sorry if I gave the impression that RF-63 was not a great system. Ignore my reference to buying a $1500 receiver. I had forgotten about your initial budget and was just giving general terms with some random numbers. Your budget will allow you to purchase a great system for sure. One that will easily wow your friends, neighbors and relatives. I still stand by my initial suggestion of buying speakers first, then receiver or buy a pair of speakers, sub and receiver, then buy the rest of the speakers as money becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Richard... you are just too funny. It's a cinch they CAN look absolutely beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Richard... you are just too funny. It's a cinch they CAN look absolutely beautiful Shall I post a picture of Kudrets and then go hide behind my couch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Well, I suppose this ends the fun I was having [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Dang... are those good looking or WHAT?!!! PCJ, I'll let others tell you what they think these sound like. Maybe if they do speak up, they will at least identify themselves as a "heard" or a "not heard" (heh, maybe it was freudian, but I actualy typed "not head" (knott head) when I first typed that, I had to fix it). There is a subtle difference between the two which might not be clearly obvious to a casual reader [A] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerjunky Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 H HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA- Step into my parlor said the spider to the fly-------boy did you take a wrong turn. welcome to homewrecker central. 10 % discount on attourney fees- hardhats to repel fyring pans- and doghouses.There is even a thread in general questions on how to build one- really!!!! No seriously-B&W is OK stuff- poor value for the money- get into the 10-20k level just for speakers and it sounds impressive. I looked at B & W myself at one time as there are 2 dealers in my area and 1 tiny Klipsch dealer that carries anything better than BB. You do not need to spend a ton for power amps. Learn the brands and pick them up form e-bay for low dollars. Run them through the pre out and they will do fine for any HT setup without getting into the crazy stuff.The reference line of speakers will stand above ANY (- NEW) speaker in this price class. If you want new or as new stuff without spending a fortune go straight to this product line. You will be thrilled with your purchase. Now the dirty little secret revealed. There are guys on this forum with 20 year old speakers and e bay treasures/electronics for 5 -10 grand total that will blow the doors off and make a total joke of any new 25-30 grand systems using B & W speakers. The word is Heritage.For 800 bucks a set of Cornwalls will rock your 2 channel or HT world. For 2 grand or less a set of klipshorns will float you into a zone of audio euphoria that you never thought possible-( you will have to have 2 corners or build false ones) The lascallas, belles, fortes. Hereseys also fall into this mix as well.They are large, heavy, sometimes imperfect in appearance, and they will get your @ss in deep trouble with the little lady.I have 6 heritage speakers- a ref center- for now- ,all separate power amps and a panny 50 " 780p. I have 8300.00 invested total in my HT setup. I will take the Pepsi challenge against any of the 30k systems at the fancy new B&W dealer around the corner and my stuff is not even finished. I realize that the TV is old technology but frankly- i dont see enough difference to upgrade at this point. Also if you do start listening to more music as I did- condsidering buying an old Mac amp/preamp setup for about 1200-1500 and setting it up as a dedicated 2 channel system using your front speakers with banana plugs or a niles switch to go back and forth. I was personally not happy with my 2 channel mode of the HT setup in my earlier system. The heritage speakers are among the best speakers in the world for music IMHO. Check out my thread- Heritage HT on a budget. Watch for frying pans and other flying objects. but but but, they are HUGE! oh my wife would not be pleased at all about that, you are definatly right on that one...... i am having a hard time convencing here that the rf-63 are not to big. I am glad to hear someone say that it doesn't take 20 or 30 grand to build a good sounding system. The Heritage series may sound amazing, but I am not sure I can pull that off... I go putting 6 of these in a room of this house and I may be looking for another house and another wife! I maybe could get away with putting 2 of them in as the mains. I suspect i will end up going with the rf-63 set...... simply to reduce the ouch factor where she is concerned... They look good and while larger than what she is used to.... nowhere near the size of what your talking about. This give me an initial budget of 1500 to 2500 for the starting component to drive them, with another 2000 to 3000 for additions later in the year.... so the question is.. I currently know basiclly nothing about the different components, and reading reviews is useless for the most part... I can never tell if it's a real review or a marketing BS.. I also do not know enough about the subject to really tell the differences. My initial thought was to just buy a pioneer sc-09tx and call it done.. it has good power and more features than i would ever need.... along with a 4,500 + price tag.... my main question is could i do better for less money going seperates.... if so what would be a good configuration to look for in the 3 to 4 thousand total price range. lets just say I am buying all new, and if I can find deals... that will just make it that much better. I need a way to get from nothing to a WOW system.. The OMG system will have to wait till i get a house with a dedicated room where i will not catch as much flack about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerjunky Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 Well, I suppose this ends the fun I was having OMG... i would die a slow death if i tried to put that in my house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester21 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Coytee- OMG!!!!!! That should be illegal!!!!!!!! I can only imagine what that sounds like. I did not need to see that. Now I see why you had no interest in those k horns. For any practical purpose- The heritage line IMHO is the holy grail( except for that that example of audio pornography that Coytee just posted). A new 8 speaker set of K horns- lascallas- cornwalls a Lascalla or Cornwall center and a proper sub will set you back around 20 grand. A used set from this forum- about 5k or less depending for the speakers. Cornwalls or a 5.1 setup would be much less. If you have 2 corners to work with - I see a set of K horns in your future. You realy need to seek out a forum member who lives in the area and listen for yourself before making any decisions. Form the first note- you will be ruined forever as far as equipment is concerned.Similar results with lascallas, belles,Cornwalls and the rest of the heritage line. After buying these- looking at new speakers in the audio dealer will be a boring waste of your time- trust me. The cheese is in the trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 OMG... i would die a slow death if i tried to put that in my house I'm sure it wouldn't be slow... [:@] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester21 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 If you do decide to go Reference- go straight to the Rf83 and the RC64 center. A no brainer if you cant slip the Heritage monsters past the little woman. You can buy an RC64 for about 600 if you shop smart. There is a set of new/used Rf83s on the Atlanta CL for 1500. I had both hooked up together for a day- pretty bad @ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerjunky Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 If you do decide to go Reference- go straight to the Rf83 and the RC64 center. A no brainer if you cant slip the Heritage monsters past the little woman. You can buy an RC64 for about 600 if you shop smart. There is a set of new/used Rf83s on the Atlanta CL for 1500. I had both hooked up together for a day- pretty bad @ss. Would you happen to have a URL to those rf83's that are for sale? sound very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerjunky Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Coytee- OMG!!!!!! That should be illegal!!!!!!!! I can only imagine what that sounds like. I did not need to see that. Now I see why you had no interest in those k horns. For any practical purpose- The heritage line IMHO is the holy grail( except for that that example of audio pornography that Coytee just posted). A new 8 speaker set of K horns- lascallas- cornwalls a Lascalla or Cornwall center and a proper sub will set you back around 20 grand. A used set from this forum- about 5k or less depending for the speakers. Cornwalls or a 5.1 setup would be much less. If you have 2 corners to work with - I see a set of K horns in your future. You realy need to seek out a forum member who lives in the area and listen for yourself before making any decisions. Form the first note- you will be ruined forever as far as equipment is concerned.Similar results with lascallas, belles,Cornwalls and the rest of the heritage line. After buying these- looking at new speakers in the audio dealer will be a boring waste of your time- trust me. The cheese is in the trap Your killing me here guy..... I just don't think i could convince my wife to move half the furniture out of the room so i can setup my new speakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester21 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Look on page 6 of the garage sale- moving sale- there was a guy- his handle was keywestwillie in the atlanta area who had a set of RF 83s as new 10 hours for 1500.00. I think the ad is still in the atlanta craigslist. I have seen similar offers. If you shop this stuff to death as I do- you will be amazed at what you can come up with for pennies on the dollar. Vanns and other big box outlets sell reference closeouts for stupid prices if you can do your homework and wait for the deal. Same with electronics. Wait for the closeout or the new model to come out- buy the old model or the floor sample for 1/2. As for the Heritage stuff- you really need to seek out a forum member and listen then decide if the space issues are worth it. The sutff is just --- big. But-- the k horns fit back into the corners and the Cornwalls fit close to the walls. Once the little lady watches a few chick flicks on your stuff the logic will set in...maybe... Mine freaked out for about a week. Then we watched a couple of "her"movies on it and now it is coolest thing since sliced bread. The thing is patience.. If you are willing to wait and look you can find a collection of matching finish Heritage that will add major cool to any decor. These are excessive in one respect but there are impressive in appearance when presented properly You could easily set up a 5/1 system with K horns and Cornwalls in your room and NEVER even think about up upgrading. Thats 2 k horns and 3 cornwalls. Another thing- the Herititage stuff- although it picks up every sound and detail- is much easier and more forgiving than the power hungry modern speakers that take a wagon load of amps to make things sound right. The heritage stuff takes -- zero power to drive. Of course as you listen you may want to upgrade to cleaner power supplies as your taste changes- but initially- this line sounds amazing with standard HT receivers.I hooked my Sony 4300 ES receiver up for the heck of it without the extra power amps and it sounded great. I was sitting here tonite going through some old CDs. I was listening to my old $1200.00 mac power amp./pre amp combo- my 1800.00 k horns- and a 100 dollar toshiba DVD player for CDs that I have set up as a 2channel system. $3100.00. This $3100.00s worth of used components absolutely destroys the 10-12-15 thousand systems that we listened to at the MAC dealer this weekend while looking for a floor model CD player. It is a joke. Ask around. Trust me- if you see your way clear to go this route- once you get your system in place and you listen and sit in amazement at what you have for what you paid.. you will thank me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 PCJ... In at lest semi-seriousness... as fantastic as something like the RF series might (does) sound, if you got a pair of behemoth Klipschorns what I'd suggest you will discover (presuming you have 2 good corners) is the behemoth Klipschorns will actually take up FAR LESS "usable" floor space in your room than the other type speakers since the other speakers need to be pulled out from the wall some and the Khorns by definition, are pushed tightly into a corner. Years ago, my wife was prissing around after finding a corner cabinet. (please no one direct her to that comment!) Subtly playing my cards, I kept asking her if she liked just how it took up what was otherwise dead space and how room efficient it was. She clearly "got it" on how it tucked away nicely. She was so proud about that fact. When I brought my Khorns home, she flipped BUT... she had to also admit that they were sitting in dead space just like her cabinet and if I had put my LaScalas out instead, she knew they would have taken up far more floor space. Better floor management, bigger sound, more detail.... I'm just saying... [Y] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerjunky Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 How important are walls around these things, i only have two corners.. one in the front and one in the back... due to the layout the other 2 corners are occupied by entrances, exits or half height wall opening to another room.... building a wall for the front right is problematic due to the mechanical layout of the house. i can't beleive this **** .... you guys are evil.... I went from no way to entertaining the idea in less than 3 days! in a week you will have me convinced that chairs are not necessary and a waste space..... and that i should remove them so i can get more speakers in the room! I really think i should stick with the RF's for now.... maybe sometime in the future i can upgrade to "the last speakers i will ever need to buy".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 " i can't beleive this **** .... you guys are evil.." Thank you............we try to Enable whenever we can............. Honestly- if you Started with the RF 83's I think you'll be very happy..............(for awhile )[] Good Luck.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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