russ69 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 OK guys, how do we tell which Jubilee? The KPT-Jubilee, the KPT-Jubilee 535, or the two way Jubilee. Or is anything with a Jubilee bass bin a Jubilee? I'm corn-fused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 there are different models to start with...aside from the home brew combo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runninshine Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 OK guys, how do we tell which Jubilee? The KPT-Jubilee, the KPT-Jubilee 535, or the two way Jubilee. Or is anything with a Jubilee bass bin a Jubilee? I'm corn-fused? Im with you. [*-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 This would be my preference: http://www.klipsch.com/kpt-jubilee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 OK guys, how do we tell which Jubilee? The KPT-Jubilee, the KPT-Jubilee 535, or the two way Jubilee. Or is anything with a Jubilee bass bin a Jubilee? A rose by any other name... http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/144087/1474234.aspx City/State Format Crossover Maryville, TN 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Jacksonville, Florida 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Chattanooga, TN 3-way Active 3-way Slough, England 2-way/K69 Dx38 and passive Silverton, Colorado 2-way/TAD 4002 Crown XTi Russellville, Arkansas 2-way/K69 Crown XTi Bay City, Michigan 2-way/K510/K69 Passive Lafayette, Lousiana 2-way/K69 Crown XTi Arlington, Texas 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Waco, Texas 2-way/K69 Dx38 Westhampton, Mass. 2-way/K69 Crown XTi Austin, Texas 2-way/K69 Dx38 Buffalo, New York 2-way/EV DH1A Dx38 Indianapolis, Indiana 2-way/K69 XTi Benton, Main 2-way/K69 XTi, passive, and Dx38 Oak Forest, Illinois 2-way/K69 Passive Cologne, Germany 2-way/TAD 4002 Yamaha SP2060 Montreal, Canada 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Denver, Colorado 2-way/K69 Dx38 & DCX2496 (two pairs) Nashville, TN 2-way/TAD 4002 Passives (also multiple Jub bass bins) Hayden, Idaho 2-way/ TAD 4002 Dx38 Richmond, Virginia 2-way/402/TAD 4002 EV DC-One Norwich, England 2-way/K69 Dx38 Sydney, Australia 2-way/K69 Ashley NE880 With one exception (noted above), all have the K-402 hf horn, KPT-KHJ-LF bass bin, and are made by Klipsch in Hope, AR. I believe that everything else called a "Klipsch Jubilee" or "Jubilee bass bin" but that is not made by Klipsch--is a clone. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I would guess there are more of them out there, but we just aren't aware of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I would guess there are more of them out there, but we just aren't aware of them. This is actually a true statement--according to Roy...[:-*] In addition to home-consumer speakers, the above isn't counting commercial installations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 This would be my preference: I presume you're aware that the midbass unit has been updated? If I have the understanding correct, they now use a K402 (yes, that K402 [Y]) with an 8" driver http://www.klipsch.com/product/65527.108774.0.0.0/1012627/_/KPT-305-MB From what I understand, Mark 1101 has the first pair (maybe "residential" pair) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me Loves Khorns Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hey, I saw mine on that list!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 "If I have the understanding correct, they now use a K402 (yes, that K402 ) with an 8" driver " That would be fine for hi-fi, but I would hope it has an appropriate throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 "If I have the understanding correct, they now use a K402 (yes, that K402 ) with an 8" driver " That would be fine for hi-fi, but I would hope it has an appropriate throat. Because Roy is new to the whole concept of how a throat 'might' impact performance [] If you run the numbers, the throat distortion is nowhere near the driver distortion, or the peak SPL. It surprised me at first, but it's how it works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 It is curious. A 8 in driver into a 2 in throat. I have no idea what the actual Sd of the driver is, but I am guessing the compression ratio is somewhere between 15 and 20 (a sloppy guess, I know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modified-Tractrix Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Roy is going to make a horn sub based on the 402, he is going to use two B&C 21SW152 drivers in a manifold loaded to the horn.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser SET say Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 OK guys, how do we tell which Jubilee? The KPT-Jubilee, the KPT-Jubilee 535, or the two way Jubilee. Or is anything with a Jubilee bass bin a Jubilee? A rose by any other name... http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/144087/1474234.aspx City/State Format Crossover Maryville, TN 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Jacksonville, Florida 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Chattanooga, TN 3-way Passive 3-way Slough, England 2-way/K69 Dx38 and passive Silverton, Colorado 2-way/TAD 4002 Crown XTi Russellville, Arkansas 2-way/K69 Crown XTi Bay City, Michigan 2-way/K510/K69 Passive Lafayette, Lousiana 2-way/K69 Crown XTi Arlington, Texas 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Waco, Texas 2-way/K69 Dx38 Westhampton, Mass. 2-way/K69 Crown XTi Austin, Texas 2-way/K69 Dx38 Buffalo, New York 2-way/EV DH1A Dx38 Indianapolis, Indiana 2-way/K69 XTi Benton, Main 2-way/K69 XTi, passive, and Dx38 Oak Forest, Illinois 2-way/K69 Passive Cologne, Germany 2-way/TAD 4002 Yamaha SP2060 Montreal, Canada 2-way/TAD 4002 Dx38 Denver, Colorado 2-way/K69 Dx38 & DCX2496 (two pairs) Nashville, TN 2-way/TAD 4002 Passives (also multiple Jub bass bins) Hayden, Idaho 2-way/ TAD 4002 Dx38 Richmond, Virginia 2-way/402/TAD 4002 EV DC-One Norwich, England 2-way/K69 Dx38 Sydney, Australia 2-way/K69 Ashley NE880 With one exception (noted above), all have the K-402 hf horn, KPT-KHJ-LF bass bin, and are made by Klipsch in Hope, AR. I believe that everything else called a "Klipsch Jubilee" or "Jubilee bass bin" but that is not made by Klipsch--is a clone. To bad the K-403 never went into production as I think that is the one Paul had the custom wood horn made from no? Still think to this date that was the best looking Jub of all[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 To bad the K-403 never went into production as I think that is the one Paul had the custom wood horn made from no? Still think to this date that was the best looking Jub of all Definately nice looking, however, (to anyone that has talked to Roy), is my memory correct that Roy said PWK heard the K403 and production problems aside, said he wanted a still larger horn? That's what the little voice in the back of my head is saying. I reserve the right to have faulty memory [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I do know they said that they couldn't find anyone in the world that could hold the necessary manufacturing tolerances on the wooden K403.....what good is it if it looks good, but sounds off? That had to be a hard one to swallow as I'm sure they were close and probably sounded relatively good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 "I have no idea what the actual Sd of the driver is, but I am guessing the compression ratio is somewhere between 15 and 20 (a sloppy guess, I know). " More like 10:1, but still not a good idea. I like cone driven horns, but I draw the line at about a 4:1 compression ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 To bad the K-403 never went into production as I think that is the one Paul had the custom wood horn made from no? Still think to this date that was the best looking Jub of all Definately nice looking, however, (to anyone that has talked to Roy), is my memory correct that Roy said PWK heard the K403 and production problems aside, said he wanted a still larger horn? That's what the little voice in the back of my head is saying. I reserve the right to have faulty memory Well, I won't get into a contest about who has the poorer memory. However, I thought PWK's comment was that the K-510 was too small (not the K-403). For the rest of the folks: The K-402 and the K-510 control directivity in both the horizontal and vertical directions, while the K-403 only controls directivity in the horizontal IOW, the vertical dispersion narrows in the vertical as you go up in frequency). The advantage to the K-402 (the big guy) is that is controls vertical dispersion down to the crossover point (about 500Hz); however the K-510 (its little brother) only controls the vertical down to about 1500 - 2000 Hz. Hence, the comment about the K-510 being a bit small, at least as I remember and understand things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 "I have no idea what the actual Sd of the driver is, but I am guessing the compression ratio is somewhere between 15 and 20 (a sloppy guess, I know). " More like 10:1, but still not a good idea. I like cone driven horns, but I draw the line at about a 4:1 compression ratio. DJK: Thanks for correcting my sloppy guess. What is it that gives out when you go to a higher degree of compression? Is it that the magnetic strength gives out or is the mechanics of the cone and supsension that give out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 It's actually 16:1 and is using a tighter suspension so that it doesn't flex under high SPL. It's gonna do the higher frequencies so much better than the 12" midbass it's replacing. My last horn used a lighter compression ratio than the design wanted based on your comments Dennis, and that is one of the few things I regretted. Newer drivers designed for horn loading are so much better these days because they've been engineered to address some of the shortcomings. I'm not saying it couldn't be better, but such blanket claims are ignorant of everything happening within the design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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