Kain Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Would it be a good idea to have the subwoofer in the middle of the front wall and place the center speaker on top of it and then mount the TV above all that on the front wall? This is for room 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 This would be ok, you would get better response from corner loading. But understanding if you can't, I would maybe put the center on a shelf. Like others are saying, I would pull the couch out a foot or two. I would go with room 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 I have pretty much decided that I'll be using room 2 when I completely re-do the home theater. Since I don't have side walls to place the left/right surround speakers, will placing them on the back wall and pointing them slightly towards the listening position work well? The couch will be around 3 feet from the back wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDIOandME Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 This would be ok, you would get better response from corner loading. But understanding if you can't, I would maybe put the center on a shelf. Like others are saying, I would pull the couch out a foot or two. I would go with room 2. Duder, this may be just my ears but i always found corner loading to produce more boomy base. It may be just the acoustics in my room but i found that i get less accurate and not as dynamic sound. Moving the sub away from the corner(s) produced a much better result. However, i would agree doing so takes away from the response and being able to fill the room with sound. I was able to fix that issue though with a 2nd sub [] [6] I kind of like Kain's idea putting the sub in the middle with the center on top. That'd be pretty cool and probably produce a more "even" base throughout the room. Althought not sure how well that would work in terms being able to fill the room. My suggestion would be to try it out but also try other possibilies as you [Kain] may just find a much more sutable position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDIOandME Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I have pretty much decided that I'll be using room 2 when I completely re-do the home theater. Since I don't have side walls to place the left/right surround speakers, will placing them on the back wall and pointing them slightly towards the listening position work well? The couch will be around 3 feet from the back wall. Kain, i see from your sig that you're using dipole surrounds not bookshelves. Because of the way those speakers are designed to work, you should be able to hang them behind the listening position straight on the wall without tilting and you'd still get the same quality sound. Don't forget, those surrounds [in particular] are not meant to be directional, really, they're supposed to provide you with the more ambient effects [talking home theater/movies perspective]. Especially since u'll have ur couch out from the wall some distance, u should be good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted February 17, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2013 Duder, this may be just my ears but i always found corner loading to produce more boomy base. Me too. I believe I read somewhere that they suggest putting dual subs 1/3 from each wall (which is where I currently have mine. Each sub is on the inside of the main speakers. I kind of like Kain's idea putting the sub in the middle with the center on top. That'd be pretty cool and probably produce a more "even" base throughout the room. I'm not sure subs work that way. Subs are omnidirectional so they do not travel in straight line (for the most part) like direct reflecting speakers do. Depending on acoustics of your room, the center may be the very worst place to put the sub. Doing so you might find that there is a bass null in your primary listening position (which would not be good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Duder, this may be just my ears but i always found corner loading to produce more boomy base. Me too. I believe I read somewhere that they suggest putting dual subs 1/3 from each wall (which is where I currently have mine. Each sub is on the inside of the main speakers. I kind of like Kain's idea putting the sub in the middle with the center on top. That'd be pretty cool and probably produce a more "even" base throughout the room. I'm not sure subs work that way. Subs are omnidirectional so they do not travel in straight line (for the most part) like direct reflecting speakers do. Depending on acoustics of your room, the center may be the very worst place to put the sub. Doing so you might find that there is a bass null in your primary listening position (which would not be good). Have a look at the Harman subwoofer whitepaper. Go to page 28. http://www.harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/Innovation/Documents/White%20Papers/multsubs.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 I have pretty much decided that I'll be using room 2 when I completely re-do the home theater. Since I don't have side walls to place the left/right surround speakers, will placing them on the back wall and pointing them slightly towards the listening position work well? The couch will be around 3 feet from the back wall. Kain, i see from your sig that you're using dipole surrounds not bookshelves. Because of the way those speakers are designed to work, you should be able to hang them behind the listening position straight on the wall without tilting and you'd still get the same quality sound. Don't forget, those surrounds [in particular] are not meant to be directional, really, they're supposed to provide you with the more ambient effects [talking home theater/movies perspective]. Especially since u'll have ur couch out from the wall some distance, u should be good to go. Thanks. But I'll be completely re-doing my home theater in a year or two and will use room 2 for it. I'll be replacing everything in my current home theater and most likely will be using monopole speakers all around. So, with monopole speakers, will it be okay to place them on the back wall when they are setup to be side surrounds? If so, how should I angle/toe them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted February 18, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 18, 2013 Have a look at the Harman subwoofer whitepaper. Go to page 28. http://www.harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/Innovation/Documents/White%20Papers/multsubs.pdf Have a look at this Audioholics Article. 1/4 placement is also a viable option. Figure 1c. 1/4 W Placement Although this isn't spelled out in the CEA recommendation, Dr. Toole references it in his book as a good solution for two subwoofers but suggests additional subwoofers may be needed. In my experience I've had excellent results placing two subs against the front wall at locations of 1/4 the room width. I've had even better results placing two additional subs in a similar manner against the back wall. This configuration can achieve nearly as good frequency response performance as the 4 Corner placement with nearly as much bass gain as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMiRA Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can't believe everyone missed the obvious answer here to which room, its simple. BOTH! But if we must only choose one ill pick room 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 I have pretty much decided that I'll be using room 2 when I completely re-do the home theater. Since I don't have side walls to place the left/right surround speakers, will placing them on the back wall and pointing them slightly towards the listening position work well? The couch will be around 3 feet from the back wall. Kain, i see from your sig that you're using dipole surrounds not bookshelves. Because of the way those speakers are designed to work, you should be able to hang them behind the listening position straight on the wall without tilting and you'd still get the same quality sound. Don't forget, those surrounds [in particular] are not meant to be directional, really, they're supposed to provide you with the more ambient effects [talking home theater/movies perspective]. Especially since u'll have ur couch out from the wall some distance, u should be good to go. Thanks. But I'll be completely re-doing my home theater in a year or two and will use room 2 for it. I'll be replacing everything in my current home theater and most likely will be using monopole speakers all around. So, with monopole speakers, will it be okay to place them on the back wall when they are setup to be side surrounds? If so, how should I angle/toe them? Bump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDIOandME Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Just out of curiosity, what were u pondering for ur rears? In any case, since you'll be ridding of ur RS's and going with bookshelves (i'm assuming), y not instead of mounting them on the wall, you place on them stands behind your couch? In that kind of scenario, i believe they should be 110-130 (can't remember exact) degrees off axis of the sweet spot to either side (directed at the sweet spot). Doing it this way, will pretty much remove the guess work of mounting them correctly on the wall. Not sure though if you have this option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 I most likely will be leaving the Klipsch realm for my new speakers. [:$] The speakers that I am considering for the surrounds are the Seaton Sound Catalyst 8C. Here are some dimensions and weight specs: 28" H x 11" W x 11.75" D Weight: 66 lbs They are not "officially" wall mountable. I was thinking of building a shelf and placing them on the back wall (which will be about 3 feet away from the seating position) and experimenting with toeing and height. I might feel a little uneasy using stands for them as someone might knock them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted February 21, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2013 Interesting....they do not appear to use a tweeter? Wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 They do have a tweeter. It is behind the middle woofer. The speaker is a three-way design. Internally tri-amplified (500W-350W-150W) loudspeaker 8" coaxial midrange w/Neodymium magnet 1" HF driver dual 8" sealed woofer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted February 21, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2013 Ok that makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 So, placing monopole speakers on the back wall, about 3 feet away from the seating position, and slightly toed-in will work well? I researched surround speaker placement a bit on the Internet and Dolby actually recommends that the surround speakers be placed just behind the listening position and toed-in for 5.1. Note I am talking about 5.1 placement. For 7.1 placement, Dolby recommends that the surrounds be placed exactly on the sides of the listening position and the back surrounds behind the listening position. http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhurd Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 ^^^You just answered your own question =^P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 True, but I would still like to get some feedback from you guys because different people are saying different things. Dolby recommends what I posted above but THX recommends that even in 5.1, the surrounds be placed exactly on the sides of the listening position. http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhurd Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Not everybody's room is such that they can set it up the recommended way. The best thing to do is try it both ways (if possible) and see how you like it the best in your room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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