Cut-Throat Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Love SET, and heard a couple of great ones on my system. Wonderful on jazz, chamber, etc. Pipe organ? No way. The owners of these noted that immediately without my help. SET isn't any good for anyone who listens to that last octave. Dave Wrong !..... Have you ever heard of Bi-Amping ? I have 600 watt per channel amps on my Bass Bins. And 1.8 watts of 45 SET amps on my Horns and Tweeters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yep. Got a kilowatt on my sub. But that isn't SET. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut-Throat Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yep. Got a kilowatt on my sub. But that isn't SET. Dave You don't need SET for Bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryC Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) But wouldn't there be a difference, however subtle, between the P-P bass, and the SET mid and treble, in the character and timbre of the music? Edited March 12, 2014 by LarryC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captmobley Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If I had to choose, I'd get a tube integrated. I'm all tubes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatnoop Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 the pre gives you the most tube bang of the two choices, however, go either way, as long as you go tube.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Bum Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) But wouldn't there be a difference, however subtle, between the P-P bass, and the SET mid and treble, in the character and timbre of the music? Yes, but it depends on how you implement things. I've tried a rather colorful SE paired with a dry ss on woofs crossed ~800hz, and that's the sort of case where the character mismatch is obvious. Had similar experience with fools bi-amped fortes, whose woofs extend well into the midrange, and prefer them with the same character top to bottom. Folks with 402's and big bass bins crossed lower are in much better shape with regards to this, IMO, as they get the SE sweetness over a larger band, and the bass control and power down where it's really needed, and also where our ears are much less sensitive to such subtle differences. Edited March 13, 2014 by Ski Bum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeker Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I recently had a chance to buy one of the finest tube preamps made for a very good price. I had to pass due to my legs being stuck in so much solid state seperates gear. I have several integrated tube amps and find them to be very good, some american some chinese and one chinese modded locally in america. All that said and i have had experience with friends seperates tube gear i pull strongly for quality integrated tube amps that are done well. Tube pre on solid state which i dont find many others doing other than hybrids is very nice as well. So my choice is tube pre although integrated tube done well is very nice, just a little heavy and big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckAb3 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The hybrid integrated amps I've either listened to (i.e., Vincent) or read about seem to put tubes in the pre- and SS in the power amp stages. The explanation I've heard is to get the sound of tubes while also retaining the "slam" of SS in the bass. This approach seems common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I have 3 systems. Two are tube preamp and s/s amps..........and one is full tubes, a Scott tube integrated. I have had tube amps and really enjoyed them. It got to be a practicality issue with so many amps..........the tube maintenance was just not practical for me. Is everything working right? When do you change the tubes? Is a tube going bad? How do you know? Plus the cost of the tubes. I found old McIntosh first generation s/s amps that sound "tubey" and invested in having them rebuilt, and paired them with tube preamps. Best move I ever made. No maintenance and tube sound. But.........I am also going back to tube amps for "something to do".....and enjoy. I am ramping up a bench and one thing I have now is a tube tester now. I am going to start building some of those kit amps for learning and enjoyment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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