Kelly McAloney Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 What is 0db on my avr volume control mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) http://www.axiomaudio.com/understandingdb By the way did you find an AVR or pre/pro? If not look here https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/152747-integra-802-pre-processor-price-reduced-975-plus-shipping-and-fees/#entry1792522 Edited October 24, 2014 by USNRET 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 No I haven't yet, I am just exploring my options, is it hard to find avr with pre outs, I was thinking maybe something with about 125wpc and getting small 2channel amplifier to boost the fronts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Check here for examples of new AVRs with pre outs http://www.crutchfield.com/g_10420/Home-Theater-Receivers.html?tp=179#?nvpair=AG_Inputs_and_Outputs%7CYCMulti@channel_Preamp_Output&avf=N Also Emotiva is having a sale, check out the UPA-5 and XPA-5 amps. Edited October 24, 2014 by USNRET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 So if I'm reading that right (0db) than that would mean that different recievers will have different volumes for 0db Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 I like onkyo828 and denon x4000, any thoughts, they both have preouts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) My way of thinking is that the output of a preamp or the preamp section of an AVR is rated at X voltage. Zero dB represents that voltage. Any negative number represents a decrease of that rated voltage whereas a positive number would be an increase of the rated voltage but along with that would be a increase in distortion, noise, etc away from the rated numbers; but then again I am a mechanic not an electronic engineer. To answer your question, yes an AVR with more output wattage would be louder at zero than one with a lessor output. Edited October 24, 2014 by USNRET 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 On my Integra preprocessor, I can set the volume to start at -30db or 0 db, and have it go up as I turn the volume up. When using negative setting, when it gets to 0 it is supposed to be reference volume. Listening at -5db is very very loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) No I haven't yet, I am just exploring my options, is it hard to find avr with pre outs, I was thinking maybe something with about 125wpc and getting small 2channel amplifier to boost the fronts Onkyo has a nice choice in that range, the TX-NR818 on the used market. The current model is the 828, with 135wpc. I have the TX-NR717, the little brother, with 110 WPC. The 727 is the current model. The 818 has the better version of Audyssey, and is highly recommended. I have zero complaints in 2 years with my 717. Like you I was also wanting to use the pre-outs with an additional amp to boost the L/R, but frankly the power is very clean and already drives my 5.1 system to louder than I can take, with plenty of headroom. Edited October 24, 2014 by wvu80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) No I haven't yet, I am just exploring my options, is it hard to find avr with pre outs, I was thinking maybe something with about 125wpc and getting small 2channel amplifier to boost the frontsOnkyo has a nice choice in that range, the TX-NR818 on the used market. The current model is the 828, with 135wpc.I have the TX-NR717, the little brother, with 110 WPC. The 727 is the current model. The 818 has the better version of Audyssey, and is highly recommended. I have zero complaints in 2 years with my 717. Like you I was also wanting to use the pre-outs with an additional amp to boost the L/R, but frankly the power is very clean and already drives my 5.1 system to louder than I can take, with plenty of headroom. Wouldn't it be better, in a HT environment, to use a three channel external amp so the front stage would be more closely matched? That way you wouldn't be limited in the amount that you could dial in the gains in the onboard corrections. Assuming of course that the front three speakers are close in efficiency. Edited October 24, 2014 by USNRET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 I don't know why I'm just drawn to onkyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Just a Google search of the Denon vs Onkyo http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/a-tale-of-two-receivers-onkyo-nr818-and-denon-x4000.87483/ Not exactly your models. I have owned both and enjoyed them. Each have their own pros and cons depending on individual wants / needs and how you like the menus. Currently I like Marantz, that might change next week Edited October 24, 2014 by USNRET 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) No I haven't yet, I am just exploring my options, is it hard to find avr with pre outs, I was thinking maybe something with about 125wpc and getting small 2channel amplifier to boost the frontsOnkyo has a nice choice in that range, the TX-NR818 on the used market. The current model is the 828, with 135wpc. I have the TX-NR717, the little brother, with 110 WPC. The 727 is the current model. The 818 has the better version of Audyssey, and is highly recommended. I have zero complaints in 2 years with my 717. Like you I was also wanting to use the pre-outs with an additional amp to boost the L/R, but frankly the power is very clean and already drives my 5.1 system to louder than I can take, with plenty of headroom. Wouldn't it be better, in a HT environment, to use a three channel external amp so the front stage would be more closely matched? That way you wouldn't be limited in the amount that you could dial in the gains in the onboard corrections. You are right, of course, 100 percent right on the money. I have a strange mix of L/C/R. My current setup uses the Klipsch CF-4 for L/R, and I think they could use more power than they are currently getting. For the center I have an MTM from Dayton Audio with 7" Usher mid/bass drivers and an Usher dome tweeter. On my setup, it sound fantastic, as the center is sweet for dialog, and the Klipsch are not as accurate or pleasing. I feel I get the best of both worlds. Will the center keep up with the Klipsch? No, not at ultimate volume levels above reference, but the at reference levels the Audyssey on the Onk 717 sets the Klipsch at -4 db and the Usher MTM at +2 db. It sounds great for both movies and music. Edited October 24, 2014 by wvu80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Kelly I hope my rambling thoughts here haven't ran your thread off the course you intended. Edited October 24, 2014 by USNRET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Not at all, any thing I can learn is a bonus, u answered my question that I originally ask so no worries, thanks for ur time:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 As stated in the other post, 0 db is reference level for movies. That is 105 to the speakers and 115 to the sub.s. The sub/s may be called to produce around 122 watts if all speakers are set to small and the LF is redirected to the subwoofer/s. The avr is more efficient running all the speakers as small including all the towers. An External amp may not be needed depending on the particular avr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbox Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The highest I have ever had mine turned to is about -30dB. I am using a PS3 as the input source. it is extremely loud, cant do it for long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckAb3 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Also don't want to run your thread off course, but if we were voting, mine would go to Marantz over Denon, despite the fact that they have the same parent company. I made that switch and haven't looked back. Agree with USNR. Best of luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Damerval Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 No I haven't yet, I am just exploring my options, is it hard to find avr with pre outs, I was thinking maybe something with about 125wpc and getting small 2channel amplifier to boost the frontsOnkyo has a nice choice in that range, the TX-NR818 on the used market. The current model is the 828, with 135wpc. I have the TX-NR717, the little brother, with 110 WPC. The 727 is the current model. The 818 has the better version of Audyssey, and is highly recommended. I have zero complaints in 2 years with my 717. Like you I was also wanting to use the pre-outs with an additional amp to boost the L/R, but frankly the power is very clean and already drives my 5.1 system to louder than I can take, with plenty of headroom. I hate to correct you but the newest models of the Onkyo is the TX-NR838, TX-NR737, TX-NR-636, & the TX-NR535. I just bought the TX-NR838 which is a 7.2 receiver and I love it. It's awesome and I got it for $849.99 at a local B&M store. Not sure what they are asking on amazon or Crutchfield but I think it's going for $999.99.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 No I haven't yet, I am just exploring my options, is it hard to find avr with pre outs, I was thinking maybe something with about 125wpc and getting small 2channel amplifier to boost the fronts In that case, get the AVR with the lowest WPC that still has the features you want. No sense paying for amplification if you are not going to use it. They somethings charge as much to increase in power with the same feature set as an external pro amp would cost you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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