Ol_mcdonald Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I’m curious if anyone here has used one of Dave Harris’ tractrix horns in a Klipschorn and your thoughts if so. Thanks in advance! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirrunna Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Thoughts ? Eliptrac horns have been around for a while now. I believe Dave Harris is still making the kits although his web site has been gone for a while. First, replacing a K400/401 with an Eliptrac is a modification and will alter the sound of a Klipschorn. Second, as far as I can tell most people that use Eliptrac horns no longer use the K55 drivers. Third, as they are a kit and take quite a bit of effort to build, I suspect there is a fair bit of self fulfilling expectations in the evaluation of their performance. Having said that, I built a set for my 1990 KHorns, initially using Bob Crites A55G drivers with an Al Klappenberger designed Extreme Slope 400/4500 crossover and Bob Crites DE110 tweeters. I found the modified KHorns lost the harshness that was evident on some orchestral music and completely eliminated listener fatigue. The sound was smoother and more open with a more detailed soundstage. I then had an opportunity to purchase a second hand pair of B&C DCX464 co-axial drivers locally (a unique opportunity in Australia where most HiFi components are imported with associated freight, customs duties and delays due to shipping). Attempts at passive crossovers were disappointing at best so I went active with very pleasing results. I don't know how much you have read, so I will list a few links that I have bookmarked - https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/122814-round-tractrix/ https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/144700-eliptrac-400-kit-finishing-update/&ct=1557489906 https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/124081-testing-the-faital-pro-hf200-driver-on-the-eliptrac400/&ct=1612245896 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Volti makes kits for K-Horns http://www.voltiaudio.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I have huge tractrix horns on mine, I made them myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, kevinmi said: I have huge tractrix horns on mine, I made them myself. Edgar horns ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, RandyH000 said: Edgar horns ? they are made from the tractrix formulation software that's been around for years. I'm not sure if it's the same as Edgar Horns, but probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 minute ago, kevinmi said: they are made from the tractrix formulation software the Volti Audio 's FC260 is an Edgar Horn -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 6:04 PM, Ol_mcdonald said: I’m curious if anyone here has used one of Dave Harris’ tractrix horns in a Klipschorn and your thoughts if so. Thanks in advance! if you really want to improve the sound of the K-HORN , and you are serious , you would have to remove the Top Hat and purchase the K402 with the HF driver from klipsch , the k402 is what is used in the Jubilee LF bass bin for the HF -- 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol_mcdonald Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 If I’m spending that much cash I want the whole deal! Daves tractrix horns are $300! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 THE K402 and HF drivers cost more than 300$ ------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol_mcdonald Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 Exactly, a lot more, and if I went that route I'd just want Jubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Let's be clear about something. Tractrix horns are not controlled dispersion horns, per se. Roy's "modified tractrix" horns, however, are controlled dispersion horns. Controlled dispersion (CD) means that the on-axis frequency response is similar to the off-axis frequency response. Is this important? Well, it is important in commercial audio (i.e., all seats in the auditorium get a comparable sound). In consumer audio .... well, a strong argument is made by Toole in his book (consistent with comments made by Roy also) that this is a key feature in speakers that are highly rated. In my own experience, the modified tractrix horns designed by Roy (eg, K-402 and K-510) sound very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Evans Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 8 hours ago, kevinmi said: I have huge tractrix horns on mine, I made them myself. I’d enjoy seeing a photo of your work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirrunna Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 20 hours ago, PrestonTom said: Let's be clear about something. Tractrix horns are not controlled dispersion horns, per se. Roy's "modified tractrix" horns, however, are controlled dispersion horns. Controlled dispersion (CD) means that the on-axis frequency response is similar to the off-axis frequency response. Is the K400/401 a CD horn ? It is a bit hazy now, but I seem to remember a wider coverage when I swapped to the Eliptrac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 7:39 PM, Wirrunna said: Eliptrac horns have been around for a while now. I believe Dave Harris is still making the kits although his web site has been gone for a while. Dave made a simpler tractrix horn based on Erik Forker's spreadsheet, and is what Alk K. sold through his site. A lot of people have bought and/or built their own of those. Some stopped using them for various reasons. Erik's pages are here: http://wp.volvotreter.de/dl-section/tools/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 22 hours ago, Ol_mcdonald said: Exactly, a lot more, and if I went that route I'd just want Jubes. Dave's horn will modify the look and the sound as the tweeter is on the side of the mids Horn , a totally different speaker -------no longer a khorn -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Marvel said: Dave made a simpler tractrix horn based on Erik Forker's spreadsheet, @greg928gts FC260--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Wirrunna said: Is the K400/401 a CD horn ? It is a bit hazy now, but I seem to remember a wider coverage when I swapped to the Eliptrac. No, They both start to "beam" as you go up in frequency. Most horns from that era (for consumer use) will do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 16 hours ago, RandyH000 said: @greg928gts FC260--- Erik's spreadsheet allows you to pick the cutoff, etc. I believe Greg used the same spreadsheet. btw, the k400 has a cutoff of around 230hz. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marvel said: btw, the k400 has a cutoff of around 230hz. 😉 I like the k400----- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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