wired1 Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 Hope someone can answer this ASAP.... I ordered a pair of LaScallas and the dealer told me it could take longer than 2 months..? Does this sound right??? I am aware their is a problem getting the horns but does it normally take this long to get a pair of Heritage speakers??? ------------------ wired1@ameritech.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 Heritage speakers are manufactured on an order by order basis. You want to buy a pair, they build them for you. This is why there's always been a lead time for the Heritage line. The current situation with the driver vendors is a (hopefully temporary) factor that is causing the extended delivery time. Hang in there. As for having a processor that goes into the deep bass, you won't hear anything below the 45 to 55 hertz range on Belle or La Scala, depending upon room placement. Where I have my La Scalas positioned (about five feet out from the front wall and four feet in from the side walls in an open 17 X 21 foot room) I get no (nada zip zero) bass below 55 Hertz, but I use an REL Storm to fill in the missing bass. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J M O N Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 As Ray mentioned, the Heritage line is only available by special order and they are built-to-order. It used to be that you could go into your local Klipsch dealer and walk out with Klipsch Heritage speakers that same day (assuming they had the model you wanted, in the type of wood and grill color you wanted). That was back when the Heritage line was all that Klipsch made (and it wasn't called the Heritage line, 'cause there was nothin' else). However, sales on this line of speakers has dropped significantly (mostly due to their size, and the fact that Klipsch and other companies began to offer smaller speakers of good quality). Because of their size and reduced sales, dealers no longer carry them in stock. So, if you want Heritage line, the dealer has to order them. Well, for the same reasons dealers don't keep them in stock, Klipsch doesn't keep them in stock either. So, if you want to buy one, the dealer has to order it from Klipsch, and then Klipsh has to go out and build it. This takes time because in order for Klipsch to build the product, they have to setup their manufacturing facility to build a particular heritage model. I would guess that they will wait to get a certain number of orders for a partucular model before they setup their manufacturing line to build a particular model. So that is why it can take so much time to get a Heritage speaker. Since the Heritage model can be ordered with a variety of wood-types and finishes, and different grill colors, this adds to the complexity of a dealer keeping them in stock. Because the Heritage line is not kept in stock, that also means it's hard to find any in showrooms. People who haven't heard Klipsch speakers (and there are lots of them), don't know what they sound like, so they won't buy something they can't audition, especially since they are expensive. This has contributed significantly to the drop in sales of the Heritage line. It's kind of a "Catch-22". I'd bet that both Klipsch and dealers would keep them in stock (the way things used to be) if the sales were high enough, but sales aren't going to go up unless people can listen to them in showrooms. There are a lot more people willing to spend money on high-end audio today than ever before (mostly because of the home-theater craze), and the Heritage line is missing out on this opportunity because they are not in showrooms. I have been to a Klipsch dealer where the salesman didn't even know what a Klipschorn was. Can you imagine how many people out there would drool at the sound of a properly setup Klipschorn in a dealer's showroom? It would probably impact their speaker selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BobG Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 Correct response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 And Bob, YOUR response would be....? Klipsch's response would be....? Is there any committment to the Heritage line? Don't I rememeber you saying there is a new plan in the works along these lines? This is me, anticipating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 And Bob, YOUR response would be....? Klipsch's response would be....? Is there any committment to the Heritage line? Don't I rememeber you saying there is a new plan in the works along these lines? This is me, anticipating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 And Bob, YOUR response would be....? Klipsch's response would be....? Is there any committment to the Heritage line? Don't I rememeber you saying there is a new plan in the works along these lines? This is me, anticipating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 And Bob, YOUR response would be....? Klipsch's response would be....? Is there any committment to the Heritage line? Don't I rememeber you saying there is a new plan in the works along these lines? This is me, anticipating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BobG Posted April 22, 2001 Share Posted April 22, 2001 TheEvan, I guess the 4 repeat posts were NOT by accident. I have to ask for your patience as Klipsch works to create an entirely new approach to market for Heritage models. This process has lots of details which must be resolved before we can do anything. We will resume production on the product as soon as parts become available. The new market approach will require a lot more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted April 22, 2001 Share Posted April 22, 2001 boy u guys in klipsch marketing have it easy; i.e., the production dept. is creating the urgency to buy for u, instead of the other way around. ------------------ go forth & hump the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer9911 Posted May 11, 2001 Share Posted May 11, 2001 Great point Jmon, I had to order my La Scalas "blind" (i've heard them before several years ago)as the Dealer here (in fact all 3 Klipsch Dealers)do not have 1 piece of Heritage on display let alone in the sound room. There are many Legend series, Ref series, ksw subs, etc in showrooms and on static display here. When I got my Khorns in 93 there they were, buddy hooked em up, the hair on the back of my neck stood up, 1 word, SOLD! I ordered my La Scalas in March or Feb....been so long now I forgot..UGH.. and due to whats going on at Klipsch my delivery time has been pushed back 3 times. First May, then June, now July. But knowing Klipschs products I have full faith(lets hope they get the best driver setups). Hopefully the dog team will arrive before the snow starts to fly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foldedhorn Posted May 12, 2001 Share Posted May 12, 2001 Well I guess I was taken for a fool. I purchased a pair of LaScalas new about a year and a half ago. I called Klipsch on the fact that the serial numbers were not consecutive. I was told several boxes are pre made and when ordered electronics are installed then shipped. So I asked again why arent the serial numbers consecutive? Per Klipsch I was told well, the serial numbers dont really matter, the boxes are held to such close tolerances and before the heritages leave the factory they are tested to each other so they do match. I then asked I also thought the serial numbers also matched wood grain? He replied smartly We dont grow the trees sir. My La Scalas have enormous grain differences between the two and have huge knots on the front show surfaces 2 thousand bucks for something that looks like a high school woods project. . But, I I am sure that if Mr. Klipsch bought a dining room table with the same grain differences that my speakers have, that table would be refused. But, as someone said before you have to buy heritages blind so this is what you get. What is happening to Klipsch? I have dealt with Klipsch in some way my whole life. Either my father buying speakers or my brothers buying speakers and there has never been a bad word to say about Klipsch for 30 years. The only complaint I have heard anyone make was they are too expensive, but they still bought them anyway. Now on your web site I see people complaining left and right, this was broke that was missing why does this hiss. Is this a quality control issue? I now notice your heritage line is has fallen to it's knees. What is the problem?? Klipsch shouldnt worry though my La Scalas didn't come with nameplates so one will be able to associate them with you. I'll just tell anyone who asks, my kid made them in school. Websters unabridged: Forte \Forte\ (f<=o>rt), n. 1. The strong point; that in which one excels. A shame that Klipsch can't live up to the names they pick for their speakers. Reevaluate yourselves before you flush yourselves down the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foldedhorn Posted May 12, 2001 Share Posted May 12, 2001 Why can't Klipsch make a deal with the same Chinese company that is manufacturing their pro media's. Hell, with the money they would be saving in not having to pay one of those overpaid lazy Americans to make those speakers, Klipsch would certainly pass the saving on to the purchaser. Instead of paying 6 grand for a pair of Khorns maybe they would be half that. After all, a current shoe company is passing the savings down to the purchaser 100 bucks for a pair of shoes is certainly a steal being that it probably costs a few dollars in material and sewing is probably as automated as it could be. So, 5 bucks to make a paid of Chinese shoes that will be sold in America for a hundred bucks is quite a profit for that CEO. After all if an American made those shoes it might cost a WOPPING 9 dollars to manufacture those same shoes then the CEO's profit would only be 91 dollars per shoe HOW WOULD HE BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO EAT ?????? Buy Foreign!!!And be proud about it!!! When all of us are out of jobs because we went overseas to save a dollar, Be sure to keep the kettle warm so you can soften up the leather on those foreign shoes so you can eat them. Because that is all you will be able to afford to eat. How did I get from speakers to shoes dont ask me. I guess I am rather disappointed that Klipsch sold out. I guess I am also disappointed in the general American public for not being able to comprehend what I said above. Corporate America goes overseas to save money for there own selves. NEVER does the savings get passed on to the purchaser. I was yelled at once before for turning the Klipsch site into a political forum. Sorry I did it again I will not comment to any responses This message has been edited by foldedhorn on 05-17-2001 at 08:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted May 12, 2001 Share Posted May 12, 2001 I was yelled at once before for turning the Klipsch site into a political forum. Sorry I did it again I will not comment to any responses Really? Is your argument so weak it cannot stand rebuttal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted May 12, 2001 Share Posted May 12, 2001 Oh, BobG, my repeat posts were entirely unintentional. Sorry. I don't know how in the 'sam hill' this happens...I'm not given to repeatedly hitting the post button in a fit of juvenile impatience. Likewise I'll try to be patient regarding the Heritage line. Foldedhorn...if cosmetics are important you should have bought Belles. I mean the LaScala is a (very goo) PA speaker with raw birch veneer plywood. Paint them. China is NOT the answer for the Heritage line, IMO. Higher prices (justified by a redesign & cosmetic upgrade) and stocking dealers is the answer, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted May 12, 2001 Share Posted May 12, 2001 quote: Corporate America goes overseas to save money for there own selves. NEVER does the savings get passed on to the purchaser. sure savings get passed on as long as other companies follow suit & competition is allowed to flourish. & since most consumers are now also shareholders, what's so wrong w/ companies making more profit? as both a consumer & shareholder, i'd rather they do it thru cost reduction than price increases. sorry Gephardt but yea i don't want to start another political or economic policy debate either. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver(stereo power amp for rf-3) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics direct drive turntable Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! This message has been edited by boa12 on 05-12-2001 at 01:42 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foldedhorn Posted May 12, 2001 Share Posted May 12, 2001 Foldedhorn...if cosmetics are important you should have bought Belles. I mean the LaScala is a (very goo) PA speaker with raw birch veneer plywood. Paint them. Sorry I don't understand your point weather I buy a brand new Mercedes Benz or if I buy a brand new Chevy there shouldnt be a dent in the door. The Evan what is your point?? Sure savings get passed on as long as other companies follow suit & competition is allowed to flourish. & since most consumers are now also shareholders, what's so wrong w/ companies making more profit? as both a consumer & shareholder, i'd rather they do it thru cost reduction than price increases. Boa12, where the hell is the cost reduction on foreign made 100 dollar gym shoes that cost 5 dollars to manufacture? Example: An American shoe company manufactures shoes in America. It costs them 10 dollars to manufacture a pair or shoes, but sells them for 100 dollars. The shoe companys shareholders begin to ***** that the stock is stagnant. The CEO of that company is partly paid in company stock. To the shareholders, But mostly to himself that stock better go up for he (the CEO) won't make as much money this year for the stock is low. Drive profits up his is now his only goal. Cheapen the end product and cut payroll, in effect, is the only way to raise profit. So, thinner leather and cheaper glue is used and now manufacturing is performed overseas. Thinner leather and cheaper glue saved a dollar a shoe labor costs saved 4 dollars a shoe. International shipping raised it a dollar. A pair of shoes that once cost 10 dollars to manufacture in America now cost 6 dollars to manufacture in a country I cant even pronounce. Then that same shoe company has the balls, after it has laid off it's entire American workforce to put those shoes on a shelf for the American who wasnt good enough to manufacture them is now expected to buy them. FOR $100. THE COST NEVER WENT DOWN!! Because the CEO still wants his 10 Million dollars a year. Your idea of being both a consumer & shareholder, you would rather do it thru cost reduction than price increase, is rather selfish thinking. I will pay more for something that is made in America for I know that I am keeping an American employed, And I hope, that employed American is not as selfish as you, and returns the favor to me, so I can keep my American job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGeist Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 I think I can help shed some light here... The Klipschorn, Belle and Heresy II are shipped with consecutive part numbers. The main reason for this is due to the fact that these products are "grain matched", and it is much easier to process them through the factory if they are kept together. The consecutive serial numbers only helps confirm matched pairs, since visually matching the grain would be a task you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. The La Scala is built completely different from the above models. It is built from Birch plywood using a butt-joint construction (the reason for the exposed plys). The La Scala has never been manufactured in grain matched pairs. And it is for this reason the enclosures are not (necessarily) kept together through the manufacturing process. Grain matching is a very difficult process to keep under complete manufacturing control, because it requires a lot of skill to cut, assemble and finish a product without "goofing" something up. And if for some reason one of the enclosures is rejected, you have the decision of what to do with the good cabinet. There are many stories about exotic wood Klipschorns where one of the two cabinets was rejected. The still good cabinet, rather than be scrapped, would be converted to the theater version of the Klipschorn (TSCM) and painted with a heavy black texture paint. Interestingly enough, there are theaters out their somewhere with TSCM's made from Rosewood that's all covered up. Ya gotta love it! Kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 fhorn, i thought u said u wouldn't reply & keep this going it could go on forever just like a debate between J.P. Morgan & Karl Marx. however, u only supported my point w/ your example which btw is just an isolated case & not the norm for every product (comparing shoes to complex tech products is really apples & oranges). but in the case of the co. looking to expand profits, they can either reduce costs or raise prices to the consumer. your example shows the former rather than the latter which as i said is to raise prices to us. the cost reductions come from going overseas for production of parts which other countries can produce more efficiently. let them have those lower paying, mediocre jobs while we have the higher paying jobs that require some knowledge & training. now, if your complaint is about shoddy merchandise & craftsmanship, then i'm all w/ you. then it's the co. turning out those products that should suffer because the consumers vote w/ their dollars (free markets, competition & all that stuff). but i don't agree w/ the socialistic principles of forcing corporations to raise prices ONLY for the purpose of job preservation. again, this is not the forum for this. do say hi to Dick Gephardt & T. Daschel though ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver(stereo power amp for rf-3) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics direct drive turntable Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! This message has been edited by boa12 on 05-18-2001 at 01:56 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 How much would it cost to ship KHorns from China to the US? Crated, the things must be a few cubic yards each. Given the number of Nikes that shipment would displace, bet it would cost more than the savings... ------------------ Music is art Audio is engineering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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