prodj101 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 well anyway now that school has started I have access to the woodworking shop again (very nice equipment) so I figure I could make some lascala's. does anyone have plans? or the demensions for all the boards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Where will you get the drivers? You gotta have all the TS parameters matching the plans, or else it will be teh suck. Sounds like a hella awesome project, hopefully the teach will appreciate what you are doing. Just don't try and build Klipschorns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 ---------------- On 9/2/2003 9:08:26 PM kenratboy wrote: Just don't try and build Klipschorns ---------------- Why? They can't be that much more difficult to build than scalas or belles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 ---------------- On 9/2/2003 11:39:21 PM m00n wrote: ---------------- On 9/2/2003 9:08:26 PM kenratboy wrote: Just don't try and build Klipschorns ---------------- Why? They can't be that much more difficult to build than scalas or belles. ---------------- From what I heard, it took HDBR Builder (or what ever his name is) a LONG time to build Klipschorns as opposed to the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Reed Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 The LaScalas are very easy to build, even with nothing but basic hand tools and maybe a table saw. The Klipschorn is totally different and totally complicated. I wouldn't attempt it without a shop, power tools and extended woodworking knowledge. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Tony, you may be right... I have never seen a KHorn up close, I was just making that statement based on pics I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 uh, moon... courtesy of John Warren in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Ray.... Oh CMon, anyone with a hammer saw and some nails can swing that together in his sleep. Ok ok ok... I stand corrected. That does look like one hell of a box to put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorius Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Piece of Cake Seriously, search for HDBRbuilder's comments on building LaScala's and Khorns. It was enough to discourage me from trying to build one. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 I would suggest doing an ebay search for lascala plans. Somebody always has them listed. What I would do is do a completed items search, then email past winners and make them an offer for photocopies (or a CD-R dub). Sneaky, sneaky!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 If you want to avoid getting plans from ebay with incorrect dimensions in them, then just search for the following in this forum: Updating Older Speakers Subject: Speaker Plans Initially posted by: lena Date of initial posting: 2/26/2003 Scroll down to where I inserted two files that have dimensionally-corrected drawings from the commonly found German plans...and have fun building them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 I suppose if you want to be fussy and build them properly, that might be the way to go. Had no idea about those ebay plans. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 I posted HDBRBuilders plans in a zip file under this same thread tiltle on the odds and mods forum. djk mentioned this when asked about the khorn once: "dearly love K-horns.And for most people they are too much work to build for a 50hz horn.57 trapezoid shaped boards some with compound mitre angles.About two gross of screws and nails on edge sometimes at an angle into 1/2" plywood." I would stick with a LaScala. Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 For the LaScala plans... I have the same images if you'd like i can post them here in both "HDBR version" as well as original german... and I think it's Marvel or djk (or someone else?... sorry I don't remember who... ) that posted some really nice 3d renderings of the LaScala which really show how these things go together. As for K-horns... you have to check out digjr handywork in "Updating Older Speakers" forum under the 12" cornerhorn thread. Not only did he do a great job at building k-horns replicas... he scaled them down for a 12" driver! Here is a link to a picture he posted... 12-corner horn picture There are completed pictures as well... he does great work... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Kenratboy- If all I had wanted to do was build a standard factory pair of LaScalas, then it would have taken just a few days to do it...but, in fact, the ones I built were completely redesigned so that no butt joints were used, no nail holes show, all mitered-joints or hidden joints where end-grain plys normally show up, joinery with twice the glue surface at critical seams, etc...and a good bit of the time taken was used in building the jigs for CONSISTENT assembly, the redesign of the joinery, and... ESPECIALLY...the exact book match of the panels used not only in each speaker, but ALSO in order to provide an EXACT book match of each speaker to its mate in the pairs...this latter took BY FAR the MOST time...but converting a plain-Jane utility cabinet design into an heirloom-quality piece of furniture normally does...doesn't it? One of the forum members has a pair of those oak LaScalas in his home now...maybe he will post some pics of them sometime so you can SEE the differences I just mentioned. Needless to say, his wife had no problem at all with the cabinets I built replacing his birch factory cabinets that had previously been in the house. Formica- I didn't just CONVERT those German LaScala plans over to American standard measurements in my "HDBRbuilder version." In fact, I gave the actual factory dimensions BECAUSE many of those German metric dimensions were INCORRECT...AND...I also included some HELPFUL ASSEMBLY ADVICE in my version. But, if one really INSISTS on adding the additional headache of trying to make those incorrectly-dimensioned parts in the German plans fit...more power to ya! I think bulding them using the correct dimensions will be HEADACHE ENOUGH for many (with limited woodworking experience and/or less than adequate tools for the job)who will attempt the project to begin with...why throw gasoline on a fire to put it out? I didn't go through the hassle of re- dimensioning those drawings for MY OWN BENEFIT...I ALREADY KNOW HOW TO BUILD THEM...Hint, Hint! IMHO, there isn't much use in posting the plans in their original German, since many of those metric dimensions and other measurements given for them are INCORRECT to begin with...know what I mean, Vern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Andy... I have no reason to doubt your corrected plans as your work is appreciated... I hope you didn't take offence ? ... I was just offering them (the german ones), as some guys like collecting that type of stuff (or selling them on ebay... ) I also understand the time consumed in trying to match grains... after the time it took me for one single large sub... I'd image a pair or large boxes must be murder!!! Ironically I did the opposite for the end grain. Early in my design stages, I actually decided to match my decorator models (actually some date from your period at Klipsch) and go with the exposed plywood end grain on my DIY sub. Rather than using MDF and veneer, this obliged me to hunt down Baltic birch and plan my box accordingly (no nails showing though). I guess the look has rubbed off on me. later... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Andy, I appreciate the corrected drawings. I've been planning for two years now to build them, but don't have the time (or money) to finish them. I included your page of notes in the zip file. Many thanks, Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Seeing pictures like that makes me wonder what was going through PWK's head. I have no doubt he had all those plans in his head before hitting the drafting table... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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