neo33 Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 John, the Wave 8s put many SS amps (that cost MANY more times) to shame! You're a tube fan wannabe and you have a long way to go my friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 How could you possibly know that Neo? What solid state amps do they shame -- $200 HT receivers? John thought they sounded weak, and there is no reason not to believe him. Since John is well respected by most on this forum, please don't slam him without good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I agree with Dean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 If John said that the Waves 8s sound good at first but were tiring over long term listening i would believe him over 100 paid audiopile reviewers. He has no axe to grind nor is he expecting free products or renumeration of any kind. Plain and simple he did not like the little buggers, others do and are entitled to there own opinions. YMMV. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 My ONLY point is that I dont believe WAVE 8 to be representative of what tube audio can do any more than a B&K ST-140, though a great little SS amp for the ducats, represents the pinnacle of solid state. My comments were mainly concerning making an assessment on tube amps in general when sampling a low cost component. I dont find this particular accurate, if that is a goal to shoot for. Whoever said that the WAVE 8 amps were comparable to tube amps running into the thousands was either wanting to sell a pair or feeling mighty proud of a new purchase. The terms "liguid and soft" might not translate very well. I surely dont like SOFT sounding amplifiers at all. I dont think I have EVER used that word to describe a good tube amp. If ANY amp sounded SOFT, I would surely not find it to my liking. On the other hand, if an amp is HARD sounding with a more etched quality like a good many even quality solid state amps, then that is just as error filled in my view, perhaps even more so as REAL transparency and a see-thru quality shouldnt be obtainded with an overly etched, more unrealistic reproduction, so common with solid state. Even Class A solid state has a hard time nailing the top end and midrange. Simply put, while providing impact, I just feel it doesnt sound as REAL. After sliding down the high end solid state path, I just simply didnt think it sounded as REAL or emotionally involving as the best tube amps had to offer. Then again, mediocre tube amplifiers can leave something to be desired, especially if not matched in a good system. I do think that mediocre tube amplifiers have it all over mediocre solid state, at least in the crucial midrange. Neo, that was a little harsh I think. My only discussion with John was that he might keep his mind open a bit to hear some other tube options not writing the spectrum off because of time spent with the the little WAVE 8 amps. kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 I stand by what I said, especially when the pair costs 25 bucks. The Wave 8s are not "SOFT" by any mean! And the sound improves substantially with NOS Mullard 6BM8 tubes. Even many decent SS amps can't match the litte Waves' midrange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Mandaville Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Neo: I would like to submit or suggest the possiblity that the manner in which a statement is made can often carry more weight than WHAT is actually said. I think what was written concerning John could have been done quite a bit differently. On the OPT question: Those you have been considering are among the best available. You could go with any one of them and have a really great amplifier. Decisions like this can be paralyzing, and it might be worth it to just jump in and swim. Changes can always be made down the line, and there are enough DIYers on this forum who would probably help make the sale of a couple of OPTs a fairly certain thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Erik, I mean no disrepect. Maybe I am just very direct in my posts at time that make people reacted strongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Are you sure you and Craig aren't related somehow? (That one is going to get me killed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Did someone mention a hybrid design?? I am toying with getting one of these for the bedroom to drive the Sansui 2500's and replace the Aiwa (wife's secretary wants a cheap stereo - 2 birds with one stone possibly). Have to admit it is the price of this thing that appeals the most - 60 wpc into 8 ohms / 100 into 4, tube front end all for 380 Euros ($ is now around 1.28 to the Euro making it rather expensive relatively for you guys in the US - sorry about that). specs are at : http://www.tsakiridis-devices.com/odysseas.htm No need to ask the manufacturer - you know me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssh Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Erik, I think it was "a sIngle leaf falls- lonliness", or something like that. SSh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 ---------------- On 1/12/2004 7:12:49 AM DeanG wrote: Are you sure you and Craig aren't related somehow? (That one is going to get me killed). ---------------- I'm half way to your place now and the Glock is loaded !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 ---------------- On 1/12/2004 7:20:45 AM maxg wrote: Did someone mention a hybrid design?? I am toying with getting one of these for the bedroom to drive the Sansui 2500's and replace the Aiwa (wife's secretary wants a cheap stereo - 2 birds with one stone possibly). Have to admit it is the price of this thing that appeals the most - 60 wpc into 8 ohms / 100 into 4, tube front end all for 380 Euros ($ is now around 1.28 to the Euro making it rather expensive relatively for you guys in the US - sorry about that). specs are at : http://www.tsakiridis-devices.com/odysseas.htm No need to ask the manufacturer - you know me.... ---------------- That's like $500 US .... Wow that looks interesting ! Wonder what total cost to the US would be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 n o 1 1 y n e s s a leaf falls EE Cummings Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Mandaville Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 hah! I remember seeing the word 'loneliness' as being the ground, with the 'a leaf falling' part resembling a single leaf, sort of bobbing in the wind in a downward fall. Anyway...I didn't expect anyone to say anything about this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Erik, I've sen a lithograph something like that too. Cummings originally used the figure one. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 VTL stands for Vacuum Tube Logic. VTL was started by the Manley family back in the 80's before the family members split into two companies, VTL and Manley. VTL may have had some reliability issues in the early days, but I have had a VTL Stereo 50 of early 90's vintage since 1997 and have had no problems at all. It runs 5881 output tubes and is surprisingly muscular sounding for its size and rated output. The quantity and quality of bass is very, very good IMHO. I bought it used just to see what all the fuss about tubes was all about. I have never been disappointed since. I have also heard a huge pair of VTL 250 watt monoblocks running a monstrous pair of Planar Magnetic speakers. Awesome! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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