tgourlie Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 In 1 weekend I have added on, what I would say, is a pretty kick @#! Analog system. Starting with a pair of Heresy II's, I have resurected a turntable and a powerful 2 channel tube amp. 1st I picked up a Dual 1229Q that just needed a little TLC. A quick clean and lube got it up and running. Then I added a Grado Blue cartridge, And balance and adjusted and tweaked. Then off to the record stores to pick up some needed vinyl. I was blown away at how much a new cartridge, a new record, and some TLC destroyed any digital media I had listened to in the past in sonic quality. 2nd I added a 17 tube, push pull monster in the form of an Audio Research D-76A(a pair of matched, original, GE 6550A's for each channel, and one more to regulate). Right off the bat it had a hum in the right channel and a lot of static. After some cleaning and deoxit, it is now reduced to a low stereo hiss that is only audible with my ear next to the horns. After speaking with AR service, we narrowed it down to the filter caps causing the hiss/hum that is left over. Now I must decide if the hiss, that I can not really hear at the listening position, is worth the $500 filter cap replacement surgery. And for some reason the 1st 12AX7 for the left channel is not glowing at all, but the left channel is working, so it does pass signal??? Sitting now listening to vinyl through a high power tube amp, and into my heritage........... speachless..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Glad you found some good equalizers to cure the harshness of your Heresys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Glad you found some good equalizers to cure the harshness of your Heresys. Funny Tom. I find my son's Heresys a bit brighter than my HIIs. Still, I understand where you are coming from. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Sounds like your having some fun! If the 12AX7 that you think isn't glowing was for say the left channel only and the other that is glowing is for the right. The left channel would not pass a signal. I bet its glowing but you will have to turn the lights off and inspect it closely. Some heater elements stick up and glow more then others it can be hard to see them glow. Don't pay $500 to have the power supply rebuilt. In my opinion there is most likely nothing wrong with the amp with Klipsch speakers being as effeceint as they are you will often have some hiss coming out of the tweeter/mid with your ear up to the horns. If its not audible from your seated posistion I would forget about it until it is. Usually filter cans will cause HUM out of the woofer not hiss out of the tweeter. Don;t believe with a out of warrantee piece of gear that the manufacturer is the only place to get it serviced I can go through that amp for you for a good measure less money and I bet I can tune it to sound better on your speakers to boot. But for now I suggest you just enjoy it as is. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Glad you found some good equalizers to cure the harshness of your Heresys. Tom, I thought you took on a new lease on forum life? Figures it wouldn't last. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Craig----I'm trying to be nicer but I will express myself. Besides, I do think Heresys are harsh, I'm not making it up. Evidently this fella fell on a synchronistic combination that ameliorated the harshness inherant in the speaker. EQ in other words. That's OK, I'm not against EQ. Some audiophiles are but I'm not. But audiophiles should think about this a little, the same fella that raps the use of a dedicated equalizer will search out electronics, wires and phono cartridges that will tailor frequency response in a manner he finds pleasing. EQ in other words. Kind Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Tom, I think your EQ theory is bullsh!t. I personally think Klipsch speakers using there less then stellar drivers/horns as the Altec JBL crowd would say are very pesky when it comes to distortion. If you get them horns a ringing with distortion they pronounce it in spades. Feed them a ultra clean signal and its Sonic joy. I'm sure this will sound like I'm trumpeting my own horn but my VRD amps sound incredibly good with Heresy's and THEY HAVE NO EQ Built into them. Very flat clean low distortion frequency response with no tilt one way or the other. I personally think you prefer sh!t amps and blame everything on the speakers. Just expressing myself mind you. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkp Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Tom, I think your EQ theory is bullsh!t. I personally think Klipsch speakers using there less then stellar drivers/horns as the Altec JBL crowd would say are very pesky when it comes to distortion. If you get them horns a ringing with distortion they pronounce it in spades. Feed them a ultra clean signal and its Sonic joy. I'm sure this will sound like I'm trumpeting my own horn but my VRD amps sound incredibly good with Heresy's and THEY HAVE NO EQ Built into them. Very flat clean low distortion frequency response with no tilt one way or the other. I personally think you prefer sh!t amps and blame everything on the speakers. Just expressing myself mind you. Craig lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Craig----I'm being civil to you, please reciprocate. Why on earth would I prefer bad amps? Because I don't prefer yours? In your mind does that mean that by definition I prefer bad amps? I can see why you'd reason that way but that doean't make such reasoning valid or disinterested. Heresys sounded bad to me on all the amps I used them with and the speakers I'm using now sound good on the same amps. Speakers have far more effect on the sound than amps do as they have far more deviation from flat response and far more distortion. You may think your amps and Heresys sound good but I doubt I'd agree. In fact I'd venture to say that the less colored your amps are the worse the Heresys would sound to me. There's no doubt that some audiophiles use amps, preamps and wires as EQ, just read what many say. If you disagree please explain the mechanism that is at work. Just how does a horn get "ringing with distortion"? If it rings it rings regardless of the signal. If the speaker has response peaks they will not be effected by a flat amplifier and no amplifier will cure a too narrow dispersion pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The heresy is a little hot in the midrange and treble compared to the bass, even more so at high volumes, when the woofer is run out of excursion. PWK meant the speaker for use in 1/8pi space, if you had it high up on your book shelf, why didn't you change the tap on the autoformer? This would bring the overall balance back, as would be afforded by placement on the floor, in the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Michael---- Had I thought the speakers were worth playing with I would have but I detected a resonance that was literally causing headaches, padding wouldn't do much for that. I also think the dispersion is too narrow for my needs. And I positioned them every which way; vertical, upside-down, horizontal mirrored both ways. Before selling them I did try them on the floor, I still couldn't get past the speaker's problems. And sure, PWK said they'd work best on the floor and in the corner but he thought all speakers did. And he never said you had to use them so. Point being that for my needs the speakers didn't work at all and it's not like my needs were strange. Now I have small horns that do work with my needs. Now some people find the speaker's strengths outweigh it's weaknesses and that's certainly reasonable, we all have our preferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Tommy, you used to love the Heresy, and considered it the best in its class. Another case of someone voting for it before voting against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Agreed. We all listen at different volume levels, and have varied playback rooms. Some might claim 100 db peaks are " extremely " loud. Not me. I suspect that you do not listen at low levels either. Regardless, this topic has swayed off kilter again, maybe we can get 'er back on topic again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Tom, Some more bullsh!t you change like the wind. Like Paul mentioned not long ago when all you had were your Heresy's hooked up in some little room we all read your comments saying how great they sounded. Now there sh!t. I simply think your similar to a female and can't make up your mind. Noitce that this particular poster isn't using my amps. I never said you had to use my amps for Hersesy's or any other Klipsch speaker for that matter. I'm just using my amps as a reference point. I wasn't using the term "ring" in the sense you are talking it. I guess I should of stated it better. Simply put I think Klipsch drivers and horns are more susceptable to the ill effects of distortion to the point that they amplfy it. Once its introduced into the speaker it has a mulitplying effect. In other words there plain picky speakers. They don't require EQ they require top quality from source, preamp and amplifier. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Tom likes the TEAC and I like it too. It's a damn fine sounding little amp. You can't drive it to clean live levels -- but it does pretty good. I think Tom is using 'EQ' in a loose kind of way -- basically anything done that shifts the sonic signature (regardless of how it's done) to being a form of EQ'ing. Really though, EQ'ing is shaping the FR -- where I think most other things impact Timbre (Harmonic content and the attack-decay envelope). Actually, I think you're both half deaf. :~) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I simply think your similiar to a female and can't make up your mind. That one will get you banned for sure. [:#] EQ'ing is a good thing, not a bad thing. With most horns it's almost a necessary evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 My speakers must all be unique because my Heresies are fantastic sounding with enough bass where it counts and my Khorns are a much larger version with some rather alien abilities to transform the room. I don't use an eq, I don't concern myself with wire, power cords, or tone controls. 95% of the time it sounds wonderful - the other 10% of the time I can trace the problem to the source which are crappy cd's. I agree Dean. Tom is associating a variety of things people do to affect the sound they hear with an eq. The humorous part being most 'audiophiles' object to active equalization but purchase snake oil in abundance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 95% of the time it sounds wonderful - the other 10% of the time I can trace the problem to the source which are crappy cd's. I agree with Anarchist, although I'd say it's more like 95% wonderful, and the other 15% of the time bad recordings[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I simply think your similiar to a female and can't make up your mind. That one will get you banned for sure. [:#] EQ'ing is a good thing, not a bad thing. With most horns it's almost a necessary evil. Na just a metaphore no need for banning. I might get a slap on the hand from Amy though LOL !! Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 EQ'ing is a good thing, not a bad thing. With most horns it's almost a necessary evil. Yup if you don't like horns I guess your right. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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