swells Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I have read in a number of posts, that upgrading a crossover can be a simple as replacing old capacitors. I was going to post this earlier, but have since decided to put my 2 cents in there as well. "Swap out those old capacitors. I must say however, I had noticed a decline in performance in the past few months. ie clarity, dynamics and imagery. I believe I had a cap or two that were on their way out to pasture, maybe more so in on speaker than the other. I replaced them with Solen Film & foil and fast caps. I have to say; from where the Heresy's were a few weeks ago to the music that they are reproducing now is incredible. Better than when they were new, well, thats actually kind of hard to say. After all, that was almost twenty years ago lol Imagine, taking a twenty year old pair of speakers and do a relatively simple upgrade and they are like new again, maybe even better. Thanks for the insight guys. What a great forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Swells, Thanks for the good word on the forum. I've been thinking about rebuilding some Heresy crossovers. Glad to hear about your good luck with the Solens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Jantzen Audio has just released a line of capacitors that fall in the same price range as the Dayton Audio and Solen metallized polypropylenes. I've been a long time user of their inductors, which I personally think are brilliantly designed. I'm moving to their capacitors as my lower cost solution. http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=197 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Dean, have you had a chance to hear them yet? $10 to recap a set of Heresys just sounds too good to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott0527 Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Dean, have you had a chance to hear them yet? $10 to recap a set of Heresys just sounds too good to be true. PWK could do it for about $1.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Dean, have you had a chance to hear them yet? $10 to recap a set of Heresys just sounds too good to be true. PWK could do it for about $1.00 Only because he would be buying by the hundreds if not thousands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Yeah, the question of "What's readily available to a regular end user" comes into play. I'm all for good, inexpensive answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Here's one method of upgrading the Heresy. The Heresy goes in one end and the improved Heresy comes out the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 No, that's the way you upgrade an Edgarhorn. Make sure you wash the equipment well afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 A TB classic. That's pretty damn funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Talk about encouraging a troll. Tommy has used the same "joke" only about twenty times already. He needs new material. Here's a better one: An orchestra is playing Beethoven's 9th Symphony. There is a passage in the middle when, for about 20 minutes, the bass violinists have nothing to do. So they decide to slip out to a bar and drink a few beers. After a while one says, "Hey, we better get going." But another says, "No, wait. I tied several pages of the conductor's sheet music together, so we'll have a couple of extra minutes while he sorts it out." So they stay for another round. Finally when they go staggering back to their places. It was the bottom of the ninth, the score was tied, and the bassists were loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyholiday Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 i've seen paper shredders bigger than that chipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburnwilly Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Reminds me of a paticular scene in Fargo ! How can something so Brutal be that funny ? Those damn Cohen Brothers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Too funny Paul! I'm sending that to my son, a music composition major. He loves jokes like that. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swells Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 $10.00 would be nice, but the ones I bought came out to be $100.00(Can) inc shipping. SE200 $15.91/ea x four PB3300 $10.95/ea x two The Heresy is not everyones "cup of tea" as is evident from the wood chipper joke. lol But that's ok, not everyone or every speaker is perfect. The dual DPL12 Infinite baffle sub makes up for a lot of the missing bass that the Heresy lacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Excellent. You did good. I think the Solen Film and Foils sound very good. You're gonna like it.Like everything else in this nutty hobby, you get to diminishing returns very quickly. I used the Janzten capacitors for prototyping my networks after I got the Trachorn and Beymas in, and I thought it all sounded very good. I've sinced moved to fully loading my networks with AudioCap Thetas (which really tore a hole in my pocket). More detailed and cleaner sounding for sure, but apparently what I consider to be a good deal of difference, many others consider to be an incremental shift in signature. I've come to realize that most just don't care all that much about incremental shifts in signature. I do believe the lower priced caps in a "better" network nets better sound than the expensive film and foils in the stock networks. This is just my personal opinion -- so take it for whatever you think that might be worth. I love the Heresy -- I think it's a great sounding speaker. On the floor in a corner, they sound great to me. Once elevated, and/or moved away from walls and corners -- a subwoofer is a must. No sub, and I believe the network needs to be modified to bring the top down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 The Heresy is not everyones "cup of tea" as is evident from the wood chipper joke. lol But that's ok, not everyone or every speaker is perfect. The Heresy used to be this one particular guy's favorite speaker in its class, but now he claims he can't stand it. We're not talking about changing one's mind during the course of years of experience, either. So you're right, not everyone is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 $10.00 would be nice, but the ones I bought came out to be $100.00(Can) inc shipping. SE200 $15.91/ea x four PB3300 $10.95/ea x two The Heresy is not everyones "cup of tea" as is evident from the wood chipper joke. lol But that's ok, not everyone or every speaker is perfect. The dual DPL12 Infinite baffle sub makes up for a lot of the missing bass that the Heresy lacks. Thanks for the part numbers. Makes it easier for the rest of us! Wow, that's still more than I spent on Auricaps and Solens to update my KHorns AA's. How old should they be to be replaced? My KHorns and La Scalas are much older than my single Heresy, so I never considered doing that on it. (Strangely, people on the Quebec Audio & Video Forum shy away from Solen caps; they say they sound grainy!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swells Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Thank's Dean. Yes, I considered upgrading the crossover. I believe that Al's crossover for the Belle would work in the Heresy, but I finally decided that the cost was too much. I am quite happy with the results so far. Yes, after having a sub, I couldn't imagine going without it. That alone brings a whole new life to the Heresy. I think I have don what I can for the Heresy and I have gotten hooked on DIY, so I may try to put together a pair of Jubilee's over the winter. My experiment with a scaled down Khorn made me appreciate the possibilities of a horn bass bin. PSG, From what I am hearing from the Solen caps is grainy, then the people from the Q A&V forum would have been running out of my house holding their ears in disgust before the upgrade. lol And perhaps after too. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 [] Well, my Heresy is a 1985 (assuming that's what the first two numbers mean) so it's most probablyworth doing something about the caps. Thanks for the info! I recall there's a suggested mod for the Heresy used as a center speaker, so I'll do some forum digging about that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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