Why did I do this?

[fini]

Michael,

Good for you, seeing a therapist. AND for being honest here about your situation. I've got some of that compulsive behavior as well. Maybe we can get shrunk together. Let me know if she's cute, and I'll fly out...

[BS Button]

Michael,

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but one thing is for sure. You could really do well by selling a lot of that stuff you've got and stick with Home Audio and Klipsch. This really is madness. Get your Klipsch stuff in order one pair at a time. You might wanna get at least one pair veneered or something, then move over to another pair and so on. Good grief, get busy dude.

T

[dkp]

Michael,

I put my post into a PM. If you want to post it, feel free..

David

[colterphoto1]

Michael,

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but one thing is for sure. You could really do well by selling a lot of that stuff you've got and stick with Home Audio and Klipsch. This really is madness. Get your Klipsch stuff in order one pair at a time. You might wanna get at least one pair veneered or something, then move over to another pair and so on. Good grief, get busy dude.

T

Todd,

For some reason, I thought I'd do reveneering this winter. Guess what- it's COLD in that garage. I might swap out the CW's so I can strip down the ones I'll be reveneering next spring. That sort of thing. Just can't get the putty, paint or sander out yet.

Yes the stuff takes up an enormous amount of room in the house. But I sold my first pair of Klispch today. THose KG2's I just bought are going to a college student. So that's a step in the right direction.

I really do enjoy swapping them out a lot, but guess after the initial fascination wears off, the KG4 really isn't much of a match to the CW's and I don't know why on earth I've got this PA here. Got to get rid of all the old EV cabinets taking up space, or start a band!

Thanks for your kind words, this really is a struggle.

Michael

[greg928gts]

Michael, I'm finding myself doing the same thing. I'm putting together the MCCM system just for the heck of it. The other day I purchased a Behringer 31 band digital eq and a 3-way stereo crossover, and I'm thinking about a mixing board, mics, and wiring. It's crazy, in a way, I guess, but I think I know why I'm doing it. I always wanted a MCCM system but couldn't afford it back when the prices were sky high for this stuff. Now it's all cheap and available. The Behringer electronics are great pieces for the money, too bad they weren't around back when I was gigging.

I miss being out with the band and mixing live sound.

I used to dream about putting systems together. I would draw pictures and diagrams of how I'd put everything together. I managed to put together a few nice systems over the years, but never got the whole MCCM system.

So now I'm doing it. I don't have any idea what I'll do with it long term. Short term I'll enjoy the process of assembling everything, wiring it all up, adjusting everything, and listening to some music on it. Who knows what will become of it, but I'm enjoying it now.

I hope you find enjoyment with your pursuits as well.

Greg

[colterphoto1]

Thanks Greg,

Maybe some of it is just that it's cold and nasty out. I can't wait to get this stuff hooked up and outside and blow the dust off some cones! Maybe I can get with Who next summer and do some mixing of bands in Chicago. I really miss the action of working on stage. There is something magical about being a mix engineer, like being an orchestra conductor really.

Besides, with my mane of hair and recent bulk, I make one heck of a stage manager!

Michael

[kev313]

Enjoying it is one thing. Buying things because you can't stop yourself is quite another. Way to take a stand on this problem. My advice (which I will be following myself, BTW) is to make 1 or 2, maybe 3, complete systems out of your collection and sell the rest. Correct me if I am wrong, but from your signature you have EIGHTEEN pairs of speakers plus one Cornwall center?

Who cares if it sells Klipsch? Don't let this forum give a false "mystique" to these speakers. It is great hi-fi gear to be sure, but not exactly the best investment from a collectible standpoint. If it is not being used, sell it.

[bhendrix]

I feel your pain, Michael! I have two KG-based HT's, an all-Heresy HT, an all-Cornwall HT, a Chorus/Forte HT, and K's, Corns, and LaScala's in another AND I still find myself constantly on ebay, audiogon, and craiglist looking for the next great deal. This doesn't count the various parts I've accumulated to build CornScala's.

You have inspired me to do some house cleaning . . .

May the force be with you . . .

[johnyholiday]

For the control booth , to mix down16 channels to a DAW for

recording,guitar &bass amp modeling,mic modeling, insert

effects,rhythm tracks, mix down, an mastering effects,

CurlyColterLoopsFactory, get that DR Who dude to figure out the DAW, it

will drive em Krazy W3rd

I've never been fond of the "studio in a box"....it's like buying a

HTIB. Same quality and same flexibility (more like lack thereof)

Now something like the Mackie Onyx 1640 would be a blast, because it

doubles up as a live console AND a recording console at the same time.

16 channels would be the bare minimum for mixing, but they can be diasy

chained for a total of 32 channels [H]

Their new live "large format" Onyx live consoles look cool too, but I don't think they have the firewire capability.

It's good to see mackie has finally put two sweepable mids into their EQ section instead of the old school single one.

There

is no linkage between a DAW an a HTIB, an a DAW an a channel mixer are

two different beasts, the DAW used in the example was in the price

point of Colters Mackie mixer,go into the price range of a Mackie Onyx,

might as well get a Korg 3200, get 16 channels,40 gig hard drive,REMS

modeling~Resonant structure an Electronic circuit Modeling

System-ala Phil Moog,cd-r/rw,locate points,mark points,track editing,song

editing,midi functionality,scene memories,S/p DIF input/output,USB connectivity,reverb-type,spring, room,wet

plate/dry plate ....,stereo/cross delay,stereo multi tap

delay.......,modulation-type chorus, flanger,phaser,wah,stereo auto

pan.....,dynamics-type effects,compressor,limiter,stereo

gate,enhancer,stereo decimator,stereo pitch shifter,stereo ring

modulator......,deesser,,ampsim,cabsim,cabinetresonator,micsim,PCM rhythm

tracks ,yada yada yada, both units shown have all of the above an more ,an a mixer just mixes

[colterphoto1]

you mean I coulda had one of those? Maybe that's why so many guys are selling their 1604's? But I'm no muscian, just a live sound guy, so the Mackie is probably right for me?

Somebody better take control of my bank account before I make some more bad decisions.......

M

[Duke Spinner]

Somebody better take control of my bank account before I make some more bad decisions.......

Cool ..! Send yer checkbook to Me ......

of course, I'll approve All purchases, anyways, Colt ....[]

Seriously, tho .....

You, 'n Who oughta do some S.R. .......

at his age he's got ton's of connections to what's happening and where ....

and You ..... would Enjoy the hell out of it.............[]

[DrWho]

There

is no linkage between a DAW an a HTIB, an a DAW an a channel mixer are

two different beasts, the DAW used in the example was in the price

point of Colters Mackie mixer,go into the price range of a Mackie Onyx,

might as well get a Korg 3200, get 16 channels,40 gig hard drive,REMS

modeling~Resonant structure an Electronic circuit Modeling

System-ala Phil Moog,cd-r/rw,locate points,mark points,track editing,song

editing,midi functionality,scene memories,S/p DIF input/output,USB connectivity,reverb-type,spring, room,wet

plate/dry plate ....,stereo/cross delay,stereo multi tap

delay.......,modulation-type chorus, flanger,phaser,wah,stereo auto

pan.....,dynamics-type effects,compressor,limiter,stereo

gate,enhancer,stereo decimator,stereo pitch shifter,stereo ring

modulator......,deesser,,ampsim,cabsim,cabinetresonator,micsim,PCM rhythm

tracks ,yada yada yada, both units shown have all of the above an more ,an a mixer just mixes

It's still a "studio in a box." I was merely trying to draw an analogy

to HTIB in that they both have all the "features" one might want for

the given application, but the box versions are certainly more

concerned with the quantity than the quality.

Also, a DAW is completely the wrong tool for a live sound reinforcement

application. Not enough aux sends, no submasters, and you'll never need

to use any of the built-in effects. (I would argue that a DAW is the

wrong tool for a studio too, but let's not go there).

The only reason I mentioned the onyx is because it is fist and foremost

a FOH mixer with a great EQ section and lots of aux sends. However, a

lot of bands wanna know how their show sounded and/or produce a live

CD, so the ability to record every channel on the mixer independantly

of the FOH makes such a task very easy and allows for very high

fidelity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all those DAWs are post EQ and

post fader which means changes to FOH will result in changes on the

recording too.

But it sounds like Colter isn't even interested in recording the bands

so going with the VLZ is certainly a worthy approach. Why pay for a

tool that he'll never use? I find their EQ sections a bit limiting and

the noise floor a bit high, but they are very reliable and get the job

done.

[johnyholiday]

.

[colterphoto1]

no, really, go ahead johnyholiday. I likes da way you talk.

[johnyholiday]

Wrong mixing board monkey, read the pdf manual an you tell

me,lets get on the same page ,i merely suggest an option\addition to

Colters new toy,this is the last studio Johny'Holiday was last in, an

yes it is in Weed Ca,with a newer band called Mynis, Sylvia Massy

Shivy&Greg Shivy co owners, ~ radiostarstudios.com ~, if one

is

touchy about nose floors an final scrub, mix downs ......of live shows

that is how you do it, bring the band to the theater, with the studio

built in, with isolation booths built under the stage,an forget setting

up a FOH board an having 40% of the sound ruined by an acoustically

unfriendly venue,check out her discography,gear,studios ,an

Sophie B. Hawkins phone message...,PS not aware of your expertise can

you elaborate IE. instruments played,equipment used,venues,touring ....

[DrWho]

I think most of my favorite recordings were actually of live

concerts...Colter has a whole slew of them. The Roxy Music is the first

to come to mind though - one of thee best recordings I have ever heard

(and I know quite a few people that feel the same way too).

If you're talking strictly about recording then I don't see why it was

brought up when Colter was mentioning that all he needs is a mixer and

then he would have a full blown PA rig. It's like telling someone in

the market for a toothbrush that they need to purchase a comb...or am I

completely missing something here?

I refuse to comment on my expertise because it really has nothing to do

with the gear in question nor their intended implementation. There is

no need to get emotional about gear.

[johnyholiday]

Just because I have two double stacks of

LSI's, Renkus Heinz stage monitors, dual 31 band Rane EQ, Ashley stereo

3-way xover, Assorted compressors and delays, Shure and AKG mics,

Crown, QSC, and BGW amps- WHY did I just purchase a Mackie 1604 VLZ Pro

mixing console?

I really have just about no use for any of

this stuff. I'm not in a band, I don't work for a band, I have no gigs,

I hardly play an instrument and no one would pay me to sing.

So what's up?

Michael

He

already has a mixer,the DAW was mentioned as an add on for production

purposes in the digital domain,pre an post,live or studio ,unless he

wants to go buy hundreds more stomp boxes, amps ,mics, beat

boxes,DATS,reverb tanks......your the one that needed another Mackie

with16 more inputs , a tooth bush an comb

[colterphoto1]

johnyholiday is cool saying that a digital recorder would be cool if I was recording but the newly purchased 1604 mixer will be just fine and fun for some live stuff and 'band' rehersals even though there is no band yet. Thanks for the info, but what is DAW standing for?

[johnyholiday]

Digital Audio Workstation=DAW ,an as far as emotion, the thread was

started because of Colter's emotion's over his gear, Johny'Holiday who

always speaks in the third person ,has no emotion to the equivocations

of this forum

[DrWho]

I'm the one that would prefer to use a computer for recording where I

can have access to thousands of free VST plugins and have all the

flexibility in the world. Just throw a cheap laptop in the rack and

record onto an external harddrive (then just move the harddrive to the

fancy computer at home for mix down). Why not go with a board that

kills two birds with one stone (which implies getting rid of the 1604).

But he doesn't wanna record so it's a mute issue anyway []

Anyways, the music scene is pretty buzzing around here on campus (a

bit slower cuz it's winter now), but if you wanted to do some mixing

around here I'm sure something could be arranged. [] I'm constantly

surrounded by all the same crappy JBL systems and it would be such a

blast to produce some real sound.

Ya know...you have four 18" woofers to your disposal too. Build two

more cabinets for those EV's and you could fill in that bottom octave

with ease. Since I'm thinking about it, what's the specific model

numbers on those EV drivers? I wrote it down, but lost the slip of

paper.