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Wolter

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hello everyone, I've been reading this forum for a very long time and I enjoy everytime i read here, great information.

I'll get to the point now. Ok here it goes, I have built speakers in

the past I had alot of fun doing it but it was very simple because I

got the drawings and everything I needed to built them. But now i want

to draw my own speakers with the drivers i choose myself in a vented

box. I was thinking of a floorstanding 3-way design with multyple

woofers, 2 or 3 woofers thats where I get stuck. The tweeter I am going

to use is a titanium dome tweeter 1", and the midrange I am going to

use is a titanium dome midrange 2". the woofers I am going to

use are 8". All speakers are 8 ohm. The problem is I have no idea

how I should hook em up to the crossover. I've been busy reading about

parallel and serie but I dont really understand how that works. And the

reason i dont use a bigger woofer is a very long story but to make it

short, they need more litres and the money, something that doesn't grow

on my back[:P]. If you need any information about the speakers just ask

me and I can provide you with any techincal data. thanks in

advance.

Wolter.

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Hi, maybe you're just not ready for such an undertaking? A designer will have a good understanding of all principals involved, but having built a couple of kits, puts you in front of the majority here.

What has given you the idea, that we know anything about designing speakers from scratch, here? [:^)] I'm not saying that no one here is into DIY, but for the most part, we have relied on the late Paul W. Klipsch & his associates, to get good sound with our systems. There are a few X-O moders and people who do vintage restoration, but most use the original OEM drivers and cabinets, and only change subtle characteristics to FR by changing or updating a few components.

It never hurts to ask, but there are better places to seek the answers to your questions.

The "cookbooks" are a good start and reference point.

These sites all have forums specific to the DIYer.

http://www.madisound.com - it's best to know your stuff before posting here.

http://www.diyaudio.com

http://www.partsexpress.com

Good Luck

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Hi, maybe you're just not ready for such an undertaking? A designer will have a good understanding of all principals involved, but having built a couple of kits, puts you in front of the majority here.

Bose obviously never had a good understanding, but their accountants sure do with the money!

But on a real note, goto the websites as describe, you may want to buy some books from parts express. I am sure DrWho will chime in. Also there is a number of websites that I have bookmarked on my other computer about speaker design, I go back sunday (I am home away this weekend from college)

Also do you realy know why you want to go ported? Umm alot of information can also be used fro www.diysubwoofers.org where they give helpful incite to sealed, ported, pr even though the information is for subwoofers it can be incorporated.

Also crossovers are something that I fail to understand also

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Here you go:

http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/construction.html

Scroll down a bit and you'll see a section dedicated to crossovers...you pretty much just need to plug and chug into the tables.

Re: the woofers....what is the sensitivity of your tweeter and

midrange? For the sake of an example, let's just say they are 92dB. If

your woofers have an 86dB sensitivity then you want to wire two in

parallel, yielding a 6dB gain which will match up with 92. Be careful

as wiring in parallel cuts the impedance in half - so if you have 8 ohm

drivers, the amp will see 4 ohms. If you have 4 ohm drivers, then the

amp will see 2 ohms (and this is usually too low for most amps). If

your woofer is closer to 92, then just go with one.

Don't go with 3 because wired in parallel presents too low of an

impedance and wiring in series presents too large of an impedance. You

could go with 4 drivers....but by that time you would be better off

reverting to 2 better drivers.

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I'm a 'learn by doing' person, so I say go for it! Worst case is you waste some wood on an encosure and some solder.

In addition to the excellent websites posted, I would suggest

www.audioasylum.com

and particularly

www.audioroundtable.com

The "pi speakers" guy has some software on his website that will allow you to model enclosures, and Wayne has been real helpful to lots of builders.

good luck!

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Thanks all for the great replies, and the links to other websites.

First I live in the Netherlands so if I want to buy, let's say klipsch

RF-7, I pay 2000 EACH!! so that's never going to happen, they have cut

the prices almost in half now, so i am getting closer. But like I said

before money isn't growing on my back. But I do have the klipsch

promedia 2.1 and I blame them for getting me into DIY contest[:P].

The tweeter and the midrange driver have an spl of 92 dB and the woofer

is rated at 88 dB spl. So i'm going with 2 woofers now and together

wired in parallel they are 4 ohms, and the tweeter and the midrange are

8 ohms not availeble in 4 ohms. So that leads me to my next question:

My filter needs to be ?? ohms, so I hook up the speakers to the same

amount of ohms of the filter to the amplifier?. This was my last

question than I need to save some more money and than i am going to

built my new speakers.

I really apriciate the links and replies you guys gave me, i'm sure they will be helpfull.

It will just be a matter of time before I buy the big klipsch speakers.(Man do i hate waiting[:P])

Wolter.

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First I live in the Netherlands so if I want to buy, let's say klipsch RF-7, I pay 2000 EACH!! so that's never going to happen, they have cut the prices almost in half now, so i am getting closer. But like I said before money isn't growing on my back. But I do have the klipsch promedia 2.1 and I blame them for getting me into DIY contestStick out tongue [<img src='https://community.klipsch.com/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png' alt=':P'>].

Wolter ,

Maybe you get me wrong ?

I only ASKED if you ever heard hornloaded speakers ?[:)]

It isn't important if you have the money !

Bennyboy

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First I live in the Netherlands so if I want to buy, let's say klipsch RF-7, I pay 2000 EACH!! so that's never going to happen, they have cut the prices almost in half now, so i am getting closer. But like I said before money isn't growing on my back. But I do have the klipsch promedia 2.1 and I blame them for getting me into DIY contest.

Wolter ,

Maybe you get me wrong ?

I only ASKED if you ever heard hornloaded speakers ?[:)]

It isn't important if you have the money !

Bennyboy

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Oh, hey- here's another idea. You could get an external electronic crossover and use that with bi- or tri-amping- don't even install crossovers in your speakers. Something like a Behringer DCX2496 (or equivalent) is pretty inexpensive and might be a lot of fun for you to play with. It's easy to program in a variety of crossover points, padding, limiters, time delays, etc.

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Hello again.

Sorry I didn't explain it good Benny my bad. I never actually heard

horn loaded speakers, and I can't count the klipsch 2.1 I think. But

I'm planning on getting to a store where they have klipsch and then i

wan't to take a listen, because i read so many things about the klipsch

horns so they must be very good. And when i know how they sound I can

make a comparison between mine the klipsch's[:)].

But why that question?

Wolter.

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Wolter,

"But why that question ? "

I don't think you want to build something with a dome tweeter when you are used to horns............i think

I see you are coming from the Netherlands......................like me.[:D]

You can visit me for a listening ?

Ben

BTW nothing wrong with the Klipsch 2.1 ! !

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Back up a second

Yes you can do this. I really don't care if you know nothing....it can be done. seriously!

I've got a bunch up "plans" laying around I can help you with.

Need to know a 3 important things:

What is your size limit on a cabinet? What shape? Like an RF-7?

What size room will they be in? If you are contemplating RF-7's, then I guess it isn't a small room.

Last and most inmportant...how much do you want to spend? Please quote in american dollars. We southern USA hicks don't know much about foreign currency.

jc

Terry, are you done with that network?

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Hi all, first of all thx for all the great information and websites, they are very helpfull.

The size limit is around 100 litres and that's about 3,53 cubic feet if

the calculater is right. The shape is like an RF-7, the size of the

room is 16 feet wide and the depth is 23 feet and the hight is 13 feet.

My budget is around 500 USD on the speakers and crossovers, but my

friend can probably make the crossovers so that will save me some

money. I already choose the speakers I want and already made the

drawlings of the size and shape of the cabinet, and I used Winisd for

calculating the port size and other things. I also calculated with a

closed enclosure but the vented was much better. Dont forget it's going

to be more like an RF-5 because I use two 8" woofers in each cabinet

and the difference is that it's going to be a 3-way design. Also I

already got one pair of the woofers from e-bay and I have to say, they

rock and it saved me 30 USD so I think it was worth it. I hope this is

the information you were asking, otherwize ask me more[:P]

Wolter

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Very good. What are the woofers....give me a website or something with the specs-T/S parameters.

Now for $500, getting close to the RF-7 in quality will be tough, but you could have a great speaker for that expense considering you have XO help and you have two of the woofers already.

Are you willing to get the tweeters or midranges off ebay as well? Or do you already have them?

best bet is the next one...the following will go for more money:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Klipsch-K-53-Midrange-Heresy-Pair_W0QQitemZ5872785449QQcategoryZ61378QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Klipsch-K-53-K-701-Mid-Range-Horns-from-Heresy-Pair_W0QQitemZ5873708253QQcategoryZ3276QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-Klipsch-Heresy-K-55-V-K-700-Metal-horn-Midranges_W0QQitemZ5874417013QQcategoryZ73372QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

jc

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