Christina Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Im looking to build a system for both music and home theater. I have a large room (20W x 30L) that I use for home theater and 2-channel music listening, but cant use a Klipschorn corner speaker. If budget permits for any of the following, would the RF-83, La Scala II or Jubilee be the best choice? The only problem with the Jubilee seems to be the total weight for each speaker with all three sections is 500 LBS, correct? Im having difficult time finding information on the Jubilee total height, weight and retail cost. Any suggestions?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Might want to send a PM to Coytee. He has a set of Jubilees on order, and may have alot of the info you are looking for. Or he may be able to provide link. The home version is not quite the same as the pro version below. http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=908 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwalled Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Jubilee require corner placement as well? I thought it was a cornerhorn, like the Klipschorn. -Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Thanks for helping her Fritz. I'm not sure I'm the best one to answer her questions (never heard/seen a RF 83) and I'm going to be biased on LaScalas & Jubilees.... none the less, she did send me a message and I wrote her a book back, admitting in part, my bias. I'll send her some of the pics I have on Monday when I'm at work (and on a much faster connection). Be cool if she lived in Tennessee... Mike, myself, her and I'm working on my neighbor who's building large house out here and has a piano playing wife. Tennessee can become Jubilee Central! It must be the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Jon, Although mine will be in a corner (as I think Mikes will also), my understanding is they aren't as critical as a Khorn to be in a corner since they have that outer panel built into them. somewhere, I seem to recall reading where we can either pull them out a bit, or it might have even said they eliminated the corner, I don't recall. I do remember though that they are a LOT more "corner friendly" than the Khorn is. Since mine will be in a corner anyway, I've not worried about what ever it was that I read about it. I'll try to pay more attention. It DOES seem to me though that they may not need a corner...after all, if they're in a cinema, they won't necessarily have corners behind the screen??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Coytee If you need corners for your jubilees, I have two that you can use. I'll even pay the shipping to get your Jubilees to my house. You can visit as often as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 You're very gracious [] You forgot to mention though, that I'd get stuck paying for the popcorn [:@] [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Naw store em here.. I will not only pay for the popcorn, I will cook it, all popped up and with some warm melted butter, a little salt, and give it to you with a smile too.... hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Coytee,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Thank you for the very nice and complete email. The information was so good, you should share it with other forum members! The Jubilees really interest me, but Im a bit concerned about having to purchase an outboard crossover and bi-amping. Is there a version of that comes with a passive crossover and doesnt require bi-amping? The size is good, the price is fine, but the crossover and required biamping are a bit of a hassle and I would rather purchase a speaker that has been engineered with a crossover pre-designed for that specific speaker. Your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 There is a passive crossover available for the home Jubilee if you choose to go that route. And it doesn't have to go in a corner either - the bass response is a bit flatter, but not a huge deal (same extension). As far as Jubilees in a home theatre setting...I would only consider such an approach if you were going to go with an acoustically transparent screen and also using a Jubilee for the center channel. In a home theatre you are also going to be implementing a subwoofer so you might be better off going with the Lascalas all around for perfect timbre matching and then putting all that extra cash into overkill subwoofage. How bout a Danely DTS-20 for example? Or heck, how bout 3 of them and go for stereo subwoofage and a dedicated LFE? [H] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 DrWho, In my situation, the speakers will be on the sides of the screen. Whether I use the LaScala or Jubilee, the largest center speaker I can use in the Heritage line is the Heresy III. I understand there will be a slight compromise by not using all matching speakers, but I think I'll still be better-off overall than purchasing the RF-83 main speakers and matching RC-64 center speaker, correct?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Coytee and DrWho,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Is there information on Klipsch's web site about the home version of the Jubilee? Who's the best person at Klipsch to discuss the home Jubilee with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonrpayne Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I don't believe the Jubilee is officially sold as a home speaker. You need to buy the pro cinema version and then modify the crossover if you intend to use it as a "standard" home theater speaker with normal consumer level equipment. I would go with the LaScala II, they really sounded great. A Vertical Cornwall or Cornscala design might be better able to keep up with them as a center channel although neither of those will have the same voicing/timbre characteristics. I would like to see a custom center channel project with a Squat form factor and folded horn bass bin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Damon is right. The Jubilee isnt officially sold as a home unit, unless you want that 3-way monster like 68 did. (as though the 2 way version is not a monster?) <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> What we (Mike & myself) are buying is the Jubilee bass bin and the K402 horn (as you see on the 3 way version) WITHOUT the tweeter on top. They are using a different driver in our system over what the standard 3-way version uses. Our 2 way versions high frequencies will be handled by the K69 driver. Ive got no idea what driver is used on the 3 way version. As for modifying the crossover, Im not sure thats 100% accurate. Perhaps modifying it would be easier than what we have to do? None the less, we have to OBTAIN a crossover, not modify one. Were buying it WITHOUT a crossover of any kind. <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Roy has calculated the schematics of what the (passive) crossover should be and will give that to a Jubilee buyer. I have not seen it and know nothing about it. Id expect it would cost a couple hundred dollars to get the parts together & perhaps pay someone to assemble it? (just a guess on my part) The other option is to get an electronic (active) crossover. Evidently, by doing that you can also insert a slight delay between drivers so the entire speaker is time aligned. If you are going to go all out, then evidently, this is the preferred way to go. As I understand it, you can buy an active crossover for a couple hundred dollars (perhaps with or without time delay?) or you can evidently, spend over $1,000 for same thing (and knowingly get time delay as well as equalizer?) Heres something for you to read on what I ordered, the Electro Voice Dx-38 http://electro-voice.com/tech-library.php?pt=1 Scroll down to Speaker Processors and then click on the Dx38 brochure or manual. Ive also got a pair of LaScalas. Ive had them since 1979 and bought them new. I heard the new LaScala II and was VERY impressed with its stout lower end. I was assured that I could re-create that same lower end by fixing the resonating sides on mine. Thats in the works later for me after some other projects. As it is, I would have to say that a HT system made up of LaScalas would be absolutely stunning. (I just happen to think a HT system made up of Khorns or Jubilees will be MORE stunning hence, my changes) [6] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 What ratio of music/movie watching will this system be used for? The Jubilees will be hands down the best option for 2-channel music, and for movies as I mentioned would also be ideal IF you could have a matching center and preferably matching surrounds as well. Jubilee-H3-Jubilee across the front certainly won't be 'bad", but I would argue even H3-H3-H3 across the front would be a better solution for movies. Timbre matching is of the utmost importance. Think about it...would you want a lascala for the left channel and a heresy for the right channel in a 2 channel rig? Even the RF83-RC64-RF83 option would be a 'poor' compromise. Lascala-H3-Lascala would be about the same thing as the reference lineup in terms of timbre matching. Both of which would be better timbre matching than Jub-H3-Jub. But the importance of timbre matching in your theatre will ultimately come down to you and the ratio of time spent between music/movies. If you ever get the chance, I would highly encourage listening to perfect timbre matching and decide how important it is to you. For me, I just about gave up on multi-channel altogether until I heard the difference... Btw, have you considered the THX Ultra2 lineup? The mains are about the size of a heresy, but wider and shorter. It'd get you that perfect timbre matching and in my opinion this system sounds great for music once you get the subwoofers dialed in correctly: http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=774 (Just make sure you go with the 650 LCR's instead of the 525's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebse2a3 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Coytee and DrWho,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Is there information on Klipsch's web site about the home version of the Jubilee? Who's the best person at Klipsch to discuss the home Jubilee with? High Christina Contact Roy Delgado at: roy.delgado@klipsch.com PWK and Roy were the designers of the Jubilee and Roy would definitly be the person to contact for the answers to your question on using the Jubilee. Richard and I are pretty much going for the no compromise version in my opinion of the Jubilee by using the K402 Horn and the Active crossover for the Time Alignment benefits among the other benefits such as EQing that the Active Crossover Offers. The Jubilee we heard at the Hope Gathering had the passive crossover which was refined even more in the next couple of weeks after we heard it. I believe this version with the passive crossover was very good and would be a very good way to go if you don't want to go to the expense of active crossovers plus amplifiers and this is one reason Roy Designed and demonstrated it to show that it is possible to have the Jubilee today in our Homes if we want it. You can also use a smaller High Frequency Horn if desired for looks and Roy could tell you how that choice would impact the sound but from others opinions from past demonstrations that version can sound very good also. I believe you said the Heresy's size was the maximum you could use in the center location and this would definitly be a compromise between Jubilees, Khorns, LaScalas or Belle Klipsch since these are full range Horn Loaded Systems but at least when you are listening to Two Channel you would have the best sound available for music. One other thought: I could possibly see for someone wanting a Center Channel for use with a Jubilee System is a LaScalla's or Belle Klipsch's Bass Horn with the appropriate High Frequency Horn/Driver as a very good center channel between Jubilees if some desired to go that route but didn't want a Full Jubilee in the center location. mike tn[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmiles Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 PTI but what is a "Jubilee"? Hmmmm, a screen name of "Christina" is on a HT forum ready to buy some kick rear speakers.... Some guys have all the luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Christina Are you related to Cathy Mason? If not please ignore this post. Otherwise I would say your probably blond, young, single and being impersonated by a guy. See below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Always have to ruin it huh? [8-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 so christinatuna, what did you decide? rf83, ls ii, jub, promedia, bose..... just kidding and i was just wondering. berryboy roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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