IndyKlipschFan Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I am so sorry if I brushed off the dust..... I am not bashing him as a muscian.. (We all have our idols) Being in the finance arena.... I always ask.. OK, where does the money flow? I am 100% sure people in the record business know when to re release records of past stars to generate x number percentage wise in sales... And before or after so many years, too, it hurts or helps....... or people do not care anymore too? Food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 ................. Frank Zappa is the only performer to speak the truth, "We're only in it for the Money".......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I am so sorry if I brushed off the dust..... I am not bashing him as a muscian.. (We all have our idols) Being in the finance arena.... I always ask.. OK, where does the money flow? Cynical I am 100% sure people in the record business know when to re release records of past stars to generate x number percentage wise in sales... And before or after so many years, too, it hurts or helps....... or people do not care anymore too? Food for thought. Charities NY supports http://www.bridgeschool.org/index.html http://www.farmaid.org/site/PageServer?pagename=concert_home As previously stated, NY could make a magnitudes more money as part of CSNY touring, without issuing a CD at all. He most likely lost money on Living with War. And he has still never allowed a song to be used for a commercial. All humans are selfish to one extent or another, that is how we survive. Certainly NY needs money to keep all of his "crew" on the payroll. Bashing should be better directed at the Geffens and Davis of the music industry that class acts like NY run away from. Another example of people over embellishing on the forum about something they no little about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Thats why he spent nearly half the year back then in Nashville and liked Lynyrd Skynyrd... Sometimes it's hard to judge tone with written responses. I hope you took the wink in my post to mean "said in jest with a knowing wink." I will take your post to mean, "said in response as a factoid for those who don't know." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 ................. Frank Zappa is the only performer to speak the truth, "We're only in it for the Money".......... This sounds like a rant form some high school age proponent of open source who feels that you should still be living at home with your mom when you are 45, coding for free (and spouting idyllic platitudes as you sponge off the efforts of others!). You can't actually believe that! Now I am sure that you have never had a job nor earned money to make a living, as after all, that would put you into the same despicable category as the rest of the human race, but this notion that since one performs music for a living that they are necessarily some kind of leech by virtue of their earning a living is absurd. Don't we have anything greater to offer than trite generalizations? There are plenty of wackos in the music field to go after if you are looking for shallow opportunists. In fact the field is riddled with them. But you have managed to focus on one of the few folks in the field, who while not perfect, is not the Godfather of fiscal abuse. In fact, the chance of you focusing on NY to accuse him out of the entire industry is rather amazing in itself! And when you perform to a house with from 100 to 20,000+ persons, you are entitled to charge whatever people are willing to pay. The amazing thing is that unlike so many other areas, paying the fee is purely voluntary on the part of the spectators. So, purely out of curiosity, what altruistic field have you committed yourself so as to support a living without charging money for your services? This nonsense has definitely outlasted its substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Audio.. OK, so I question the physical dance and motives of all parties, so that is so bad? Cynical. No, I just happen to see both sides the fiscal and physical sides of the dance. (Where "the dance" is the promotion of the artist to become relevant.) Their will always be the musician and "the business" in the music business is all. (Don't preach to me about this or that.... when you do this or that... is all..) "Just please do not believe all the hype in Rolling Stone kid........ You may not like what you find out about your idol. They are, after all, human too." Something like that from the movie.. I think it was "Almost Famous." The best artists have the best hype.. Beatles.. REM... U2...etc... The Artist, the record company people.. the family members, LOL... really everyone involved in the career of the process of the artist in marketing the product to be, or still be remembered to be, "famous".... AND most important be relevant to older and hopefully find new fans to keep the system going. Think ELVIS today... Worth a lot more dead than he ever was alive.. We still find tunes.. re release, re mix.. it has been an amazing run IMO of his career. So pointing out all the things Neil does..(As in his charities.. which while noble, my point is this.... He can't do any of that without a carefully marketed product that he is..to you his fan.) I would hope Neil is well off enough to never have to work again.. (lets assume this is true?) "Another example of people over embellishing on the forum about something they no little about." Oh pleeeaaaseeeee I am just pointing out the obvious here. If you do not get your being sold a product.... You need to take off your rose colored glasses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 Boy, if we could get this much response in the ENTERTAINMENT section, under weekly recommendations, that would be great !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess it's just "one of those subjects"...................................EH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Amy Posted March 12, 2007 Moderators Share Posted March 12, 2007 Mellencamp is from that same era... He said I will never EVER sell out.. Remember John's carreeer is all "I fight authority, authority always wins.." LOL... Nice "THIS IS OUR COUNTRY" John!!!!! Yes, you sold out.. good for you... I am happy you make millions.. Hey Indy, I actually saw an interview with John recently, and this very thing was brought up. Apparently, radio stations would not give "This is our country" any play time, so he got the message across by selling it to Chevy. As an artist, he realizes the only way to get his message across is for people to hear it...so heard it they did (over and over and over). And yeah, I'm sure the money was nice too, although I doubt he needs more of that. So in reality, the authority he was fighting in this case was the corporate radio stations. So did he really "sell-out," or did he just circumvent the establishment to get his way? Seems like same old John to me. On a similar note, I've always found it interesting how some artists who make their living out of rebelling against corporate America can become so big that they become the very thing they were rebelling against in the first place. Then what do they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Remember John's carreeer is all "I fight authority, authority always wins.." So where is that...oh, here is that gasoline.... Maybe its just me, but I Fight Authority is in my tiny mind nothing but a rip off of I Fought the Law by the Bobby Fuller 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Mellencamp is from that same era... He said I will never EVER sell out.. Remember John's carreeer is all "I fight authority, authority always wins.." LOL... Nice "THIS IS OUR COUNTRY" John!!!!! Yes, you sold out.. good for you... I am happy you make millions.. Hey Indy, I actually saw an interview with John recently, and this very thing was brought up. Apparently, radio stations would not give "This is our country" any play time, so he got the message across by selling it to Chevy. As an artist, he realizes the only way to get his message across is for people to hear it...so heard it they did (over and over and over). And yeah, I'm sure the money was nice too, although I doubt he needs more of that. So in reality, the authority he was fighting in this case was the corporate radio stations. So did he really "sell-out," or did he just circumvent the establishment to get his way? Seems like same old John to me. On a similar note, I've always found it interesting how some artists who make their living out of rebelling against corporate America can become so big that they become the very thing they were rebelling against in the first place. Then what do they do? If they are the Rolling Stones they just keep getting richer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuned4life Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I have been one of the Neil Young faithful for 39 years. GOD gave Neil a gift that HE afforded to just a few. I know that Neil has a good heart. He has suffered health problems his whole life. He has made many personal sacrifices to go where the music takes him. I have always gone to any length to get to see him. I have seem him live 26 times and met him twice. Since the internet the worse seat I have had to settle for was 3rd row pit. On july 10th I saw CSNY at the Aire Canada Center. In the front row there were 54 seats, I had seat number 27, directly in front of Neil's Microphone. I also had front row seat for last show on 9/10/06 in Burgettstown Pa. I will be picking up "Live at Massey Hall" when they go on sale tomorrow. Neil has been under the radar for awhile, hope that means more great music is on its way. I had front row seats for Crosby and Nash at the Casino Niagara but the tour has been canceled. tour was cancelled because David Crosby's ill health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Guys, I never said Neil wasn't good, all I questioned was the amount of product coming out for sale now after 30 + years. Neil just happened to be the name I saw, and used. Many, many times greedy record companies releash material of questionable quality, and the Artists have no control over it. It's not just Neil, look what they did with Hendrix, untill his Father stepped in. I saw a report with all of the stuff Neil is to releash, this wave of product is just the beginning.................I asked the question if Neil knew, and I took Loud and Clear's response to mean he does know, which makes him part of this glut..........That was and is my only point. I have no axe to grind here, and I do like Neil Young. This is just a post to spur some conversation, and not an I hate Neil thread at all............believe what you want............We all have our favorite performers, that's the way it is...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Audio.. OK, so I question the physical dance and motives of all parties, so that is so bad? Cynical. No, I just happen to see both sides the fiscal and physical sides of the dance. (Where "the dance" is the promotion of the artist to become relevant.) Their will always be the musician and "the business" in the music business is all. (Don't preach to me about this or that.... when you do this or that... is all..) "Just please do not believe all the hype in Rolling Stone kid........ You may not like what you find out about your idol. They are, after all, human too." Something like that from the movie.. I think it was "Almost Famous." The best artists have the best hype.. Beatles.. REM... U2...etc... The Artist, the record company people.. the family members, LOL... really everyone involved in the career of the process of the artist in marketing the product to be, or still be remembered to be, "famous".... AND most important be relevant to older and hopefully find new fans to keep the system going. Think ELVIS today... Worth a lot more dead than he ever was alive.. We still find tunes.. re release, re mix.. it has been an amazing run IMO of his career. So pointing out all the things Neil does..(As in his charities.. which while noble, my point is this.... He can't do any of that without a carefully marketed product that he is..to you his fan.) I would hope Neil is well off enough to never have to work again.. (lets assume this is true?) "Another example of people over embellishing on the forum about something they no little about." Oh pleeeaaaseeeee I am just pointing out the obvious here. If you do not get your being sold a product.... You need to take off your rose colored glasses... Yes I am being sold a product. A product many like myself consider to be a high value music product. There are so few products of value in the music marketplace anymore, I stay with artists that offer new music (or new issues of old music) that has a high probability I will enjoy. Why not identify the crap in the marketplace? Beach Boys (current), Creedance Clearwater Revisited, Brittney Spears and music that glorifys immoral and illegal behavior (BTW RAP sales were down in 20006, Yee Haa!). And you are still a cynic without a tube amp.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flannj Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Sort of related / not really related to this thread. The weather has been pretty nice here over the last two days, at least for March in Chicago, so I duck out of work for a few minutes and take a walk to Starbucks. As I walk into the store "After the Goldrush" is playing over their sound system. Now I am not as big a Neil fan as some of you here (and not at all a CSN fan without Y) but I still enjoy him quite a bit. This version was not the studio recording that everyone knows but rather a small live arrangement. I have know idea what album it is off of. Anyway I normally would have left with my coffee and headed back to work, but I was enjoying the song so much I pulled up a chair, sat down and listened until it ended. I still have it in my head as I type this. Product, marketing, money, the uncaring music business, didn't matter at that time. I just enjoyed the song. - Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Audio Flyn...."Yes I am being sold a product. A product many like myself consider to be a high value music product. There are so few products of value in the music marketplace anymore, I stay with artists that offer new music (or new issues of old music) that has a high probability I will enjoy." I see nothing wrong with that idea too. Jim.. Star-bucks has been amazing in the promotion and compilations of artist's CD's. The new/ old remix of "The Doors" one is great. I have not listened to The Doors for YEARS..... But it is a great CD I have enjoyed again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Audio Flyn...."Yes I am being sold a product. A product many like myself consider to be a high value music product. There are so few products of value in the music marketplace anymore, I stay with artists that offer new music (or new issues of old music) that has a high probability I will enjoy." I see nothing wrong with that idea too. Jim.. Star-bucks has been amazing in the promotion and compilations of artist's CD's. The new/ old remix of "The Doors" one is great. I have not listened to The Doors for YEARS..... But it is a great CD I have enjoyed again. All DOORS Albums are being RE-MASTERED and many will be releashed on March 07 I believe, I know it's this month............About time...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuned4life Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Sort of related / not really related to this thread. The weather has been pretty nice here over the last two days, at least for March in Chicago, so I duck out of work for a few minutes and take a walk to Starbucks. As I walk into the store "After the Goldrush" is playing over their sound system. Now I am not as big a Neil fan as some of you here (and not at all a CSN fan without Y) but I still enjoy him quite a bit. This version was not the studio recording that everyone knows but rather a small live arrangement. I have know idea what album it is off of. Anyway I normally would have left with my coffee and headed back to work, but I was enjoying the song so much I pulled up a chair, sat down and listened until it ended. I still have it in my head as I type this. Product, marketing, money, the uncaring music business, didn't matter at that time. I just enjoyed the song. - Jim "Massey Hall 1971" was Just released yesterday. It is a solo performance. Maybe thats what you heard at Starbucks. I picked up 2 copies last night. Was to tired last night for a first listen so I waited till this morning. Sat back and listened to all 17 tracks. I really enjoyed it. Then I listened to it again while recording it on virgin maxell 35-180B tape with my teac x2000r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudnClear Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Really, this massey record is recorded so well and contains such potent Neil Young examples of his best characteristics and traits, it is my favorite acoustic record of his. I listened to it several times on DVD 24 bit / 96 kHz and its like being there. I highly recommend the record to anyone who likes Neil's acoustic work. Also, if anyone still wants to question if this archive material is quality or crap, rest assured it is high in quality audio wise and performance wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Guys, I never said Neil wasn't good, all I questioned was the amount of product coming out for sale now after 30 + years. Neil just happened to be the name I saw, and used. Many, many times greedy record companies releash material of questionable quality, and the Artists have no control over it. It's not just Neil, look what they did with Hendrix, untill his Father stepped in. I saw a report with all of the stuff Neil is to releash, this wave of product is just the beginning.................I asked the question if Neil knew, and I took Loud and Clear's response to mean he does know, which makes him part of this glut..........That was and is my only point. I have no axe to grind here, and I do like Neil Young. This is just a post to spur some conversation, and not an I hate Neil thread at all............believe what you want............We all have our favorite performers, that's the way it is...................... Buckster, in regards to the archival 'box set' that may constitute allot of what you may be referring to...the actual issue isn't so much that it is coming out now..the issue is that it is coming out now after being so long delayed! This body of work has been anxiously anticipated for almost 20 years. And the only thing that has happened in that time is, I suspect, that fewer people are waiting. But I would also suggest, that in addition to your close examination of the 'evil' recording industry who are in the business to sell product, that you take as close a look at his substantial charitable work as well. Again, as so many have pointed out, you can like or dislike his work (and with his various incarnations there is something for just about everyone to like and hate!), but he has had plenty of opportunities to cash in big in the past, and he has consistently avoided them - heck, run from them is probably more appropriate in a manner that others would consider it to have been destructive to his career. I can understand your concern, but I would suggest that of all the folks you could have selected, that you picked the wrong person to make the poster child of commercial excess. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 If the Artist is aware of such a plan to market product in such away, what difference does the name make, He knew. As far as charitable causes, sale of said material is what finances charties. Neil has been around my whole musical journey, through the good and the bad, I am not nailing him to the cross, I'm just bringing up a point about marketing product that is 30 years old, to a guy who was 20 when he discovered Neil, is now 50 with more money to spend than when he was 20..................If I used any other name, the point is still the same...........Neil is smart and lucky, he is still alive, many of his friends are not......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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