pauln Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 The U.S. standard railroad gauge-- the distancebetween the rails -- is 4 feet 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly oddnumber. Why wasthat gauge used? Because that's the way they builtthem in England,and U.S. railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build themlike that? Because the first rail lines werebuilt by thesame people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gaugetheyused. But why did they use thatgauge? Because the people who built thetramways usedthe same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which usedthat wheel spacing. Okay, why did the wagons have thatparticularodd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use anyother spacing thewagon wheels would break on some of the old long distance roadsinEngland, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old ruttedroads? The first long distance roads inEngland werebuilt by Imperial Rome for their legions. The roads have beenusedever since. And the ruts? The initial ruts, which everyoneelse had to matchfor fear of destroying their wagon wheels, were first made by Roman warchariots. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome theywereall alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Thus we have the answer to theoriginal question. The U.S. standard railroad gauge of 4 feet 8.5 inches derives from theoriginal specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracieslive forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's*** came up with it, you may be exactly right. The Imperial Romanwar chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends oftwo war horses. Now here's a modern twist to thestory. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are twobigbooster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. Thoseare solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokolat their factory at Utah. The engineers who designed theSRBs mighthave preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to beshippedby train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad linefromthe factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. TheSRBshad to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider thanthe railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide astwohorses behinds. So, the major design feature ofwhat is arguablythe world's most advanced transportation system was based on the widthof a horse's ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerolW Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Hee Hee Hee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 It could also be said that the Romans invented bureaucracy, or at least refined it ad absurdum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser SET say Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 And how again did Comicus and Swiftus enter the cabinet meeting....................................................BS, BS, BS, I think the Romans really did invent bureaucracy! (don't forget the "Walk this Way" part[]) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 I think it goes back farther in time. I've seen one photo of a Mycenean "gate to the city." There are wear marks in the paving stones under the "arch" corresponding to wheel ruts. The gate was not quite an arch, of course. My thought is that once craftsmen in the Egyptian times, or many centuries B.C.E., made a few carts, they made ruts in the roads. Then everyone had to make wheel spacing to that gauge. Otherwise the cart would be bouncing left and right as one wheel or the other dropped into one or the other rut. In this fashion, the standard gauge was memorialized or established by existing roads which survived, and reinforced with ruts for millenia. No one had to write it down or even establish a unit of measure. Just go out to the ruts in the road and design wheel spacing accordingly. However, there may have been an ancient standard of measure involved. I was doing some armchair research in railroad gauge and sometime later, the ancient unit of the cubit. Yeah, the mind makes some oddball connections. The cubit is generally thought to be the distance between a man's elbow and the tip of the middle finger. Of course, the most well recorded use in antiquity is Noah's ark. Yes, you'd think there are so many variations in human dimensions that it is a standard of length with many variations. If you look it up, scholars put a range of present standard lengths to this definition. I.e., exactly how long is a cubit. The odd thing that I realized is that the standard track fits with two cubits pretty well. This could be a master's thesis for someone. Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Actually, the Chinese invented bureaucracy, around 200 BC, during the Qin Dynasty. Had to keep the Empire organized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Now here's a modern twist to the story. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. Those are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was based on the width of a horse's ***. Now here's a political twist to the story. The original plan was to have the SRBs manufactured in one of the eastern seaboard states and have them transported by ship to Cape Canaveral. They would have been wider and have been manufactured in one piece. However, the congressman from Utah lobbied successfully to have his state get the job. The constraints of train transport required a re-design, resulting in boosters that had to be re-assembled after they arrived. The joints were sealed with O-rings. You may recall that a failed O-ring was the cause of the Challenger disaster. The O-rings performed adequately in ideal conditions, but the weather was colder than usual for that launch. During takeoff, one of the cold O-rings failed to seal properly, allowing the fuel to leak out and causing an explosion that killed all seven astronauts. Some horse's *** set that whole process in motion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted August 13, 2007 Author Share Posted August 13, 2007 Now here's a modern twist to the story. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. Those are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was based on the width of a horse's ***. Now here's a political twist to the story. The original plan was to have the SRBs manufactured in one of the eastern seaboard states and have them transported by ship to Cape Canaveral. They would have been wider and have been manufactured in one piece. However, the congressman from Utah lobbied successfully to have his state get the job. The constraints of train transport required a re-design, resulting in boosters that had to be re-assembled after they arrived. The joints were sealed with O-rings. You may recall that a failed O-ring was the cause of the Challenger disaster. The O-rings performed adequately in ideal conditions, but the weather was colder than usual for that launch. During takeoff, one of the cold O-rings failed to seal properly, allowing the fuel to leak out and causing an explosion that killed all seven astronauts. Some horse's *** set that whole process in motion... I am aware... I worked at the Johnson Space Center for ten years... I could tell stories that would send a chill up your spine!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Actually, the Chinese invented bureaucracy, around 200 BC, during the Qin Dynasty. Had to keep the Empire organized. But only the Romans could refine it ad absurdum...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Now here's a modern twist to the story. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. Those are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was based on the width of a horse's ***. Now here's a political twist to the story. The original plan was to have the SRBs manufactured in one of the eastern seaboard states and have them transported by ship to Cape Canaveral. They would have been wider and have been manufactured in one piece. However, the congressman from Utah lobbied successfully to have his state get the job. The constraints of train transport required a re-design, resulting in boosters that had to be re-assembled after they arrived. The joints were sealed with O-rings. You may recall that a failed O-ring was the cause of the Challenger disaster. The O-rings performed adequately in ideal conditions, but the weather was colder than usual for that launch. During takeoff, one of the cold O-rings failed to seal properly, allowing the fuel to leak out and causing an explosion that killed all seven astronauts. Some horse's *** set that whole process in motion... I am aware... I worked at the Johnson Space Center for ten years... I could tell stories that would send a chill up your spine!!! So often, expediency trumps safety. I worked for twelve years at CN Rail. The mark of a "good" foreman was his "willingness to take a chance". With that mindset, I wasn't at all surprised they had so many derailments. Of course, when a rocket fails, it's way more spectacular, but there's often loss of life in both cases and it's often avoidable in both cases. I was glad to leave there to work somewhere that things were expected to be done right the first time and opportunities for staff members to upgrade their skills were sought out and provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 My brother-in-law's father was a rocket scientist (now deceased) at the place in Utah that made the rocket boosters for the Challenger. They called NASA the morning of the launch and told them to postpone the launch; it was too cold and they were afraid the o-rings might leak. True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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