Anyone see The Fast & Furious

[matthew2]

Mike,

Yes, I'm still in high school.

I DO know a good car when I see one. Really, Im not trying to say americain cars dont have good engines in terms of performance, but more or less in terms of reliability.

People who put twice the price of their civic wanna be diffrent. They want to have a car no one has. It just looks cool. And in the long run, it doesn't cost much.

Yeah, Id like a 1967 Shelby GT 500, (or 350) Or any of the older muscle cars. (not the trailer park ones) ie, Joe Dirt.

But I'd MUCH rather have a Ferrari 550 Barachetta PININFARINA, Maserati spyder, Lamborghini Murcielago, or anything Aston.M. Nissan Skyline??

Whats wrong with these cars?

Ps. Nothing against trailer parks, just stereotyping the cars.

Thankyou,

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Gatta' love klipsch

[Hagood]

I think we would all love to have a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but you're not comparing apples to apples. These are $150,000 plus cars, and they're difinitely not rice burners ! We're talking about comparing Honda's and Toyota's to American Muscle.

[matthew2]

Allright then,

The Suberu IMPREZA WRX will outrun an American Muscle car from a standing start in many cases. and out handel it.

But is doesnt make the kick *** grumble of an old American Muscle car. So I guess all that matters is what you like the best, not what other people think.

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[QUiKSR20]

Well Im 22 and Drag race at the track. This will be

my fifth season and many of my friends autocross

as well as race road courses with trackmasters,

EMRA, NASA, etc we all race Nissans SR20DE's and DET's

you can make a reliable 350WHP with these 4 cylinder

and 4 cylinder turbo cars. Are they muscle cars and

able to feel like a RWD car no? but then again if we

were talking about RWD 500HP etc i would get a Toyota

Supra which you can make a reliable 500HP out of no

problem. They will run 12.5s with less than a $1000 in

mods and turn up to 500HP. Japanese cars are far superior

in every aspect im sorry thats my opinion.

Take your

best model say small car a cavalier, neon or whatever

and put it next to a civic or a sentra which is nicer

and puts out more performance?

Sit in a mustang or a camaro and see how it looks inside

as well as driver oriented seats instruments etc then

sit in a SUPRA or RX7 and see what a real sports car

is like inside they are far superior in design.

From the engines to the design they are much more

advanced suspension brakes etc look at a S2000 or

TYPE R 195HP from a 1.8 240HP from a 2.0 Naturally

asperated if american cars could do that you would

have stock 4.6 liter mustangs pushing in excess of

500HP all motor from the factory

This is just my .02$ im not some punk kid trying to

stir up the crowd i am one of the crew members for

my buddys team we have the worlds fastest SENTRA so

far and were in Turbo Magazine for a full feature.

The car ran a best of 9.83@145.66 MPH last year with

8's this year im sure.

http://members.aol.com/ghettomax1

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This message has been edited by QUiKSR20 on 01-24-2002 at 01:41 PM

[Mike Lindsey]

I drive a modified '92 vette that's setup to road race. I've yet to have any problems with anything made from Japan, and that includes the Supra. For one thing, you just don't see a lot of these cars on the road courses. Why? Because it's a lot easier to make them go fast in a straight line (hey, let's just turn up the boost). I've modified my top-end but I'm still running the stock bottom-end and I wouldn't think of running a supercharger or NOS. My car is fast (12.7 @ 111 on street tires) but there are a lot faster cars out there.

A lot of the Japanes cars don't have the torque coming out of slow corners but they can generally carry a little more speed into them because they are lighter. My vette handles better than most and can run all day out on the track. I would actually like to see a lot more of these cars come out to the track. By doing so, they wouldn't feel the need to be tearing up the streets so often...

Mike

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[Mighty Favog]

O.K. Matt-

I paid for that car cash while working for a near minimum wage job selling items to allow Americans to exercise their Second Amendment Right: guns. Payments?? I had none. It was $18,100.00 out the door (literally). It took two years and half of every paycheck to do it. I bought it to restore my other car, a 1986 Shelby Charger Turbo (Blue over Silver and 1 of 387 built). How many totally stock 4-cyl. cars do you know of that can white wall the tires in third gear?? And guess what?? The BD bodied cars from DSM (Diamond Star Motors in Normal Illinois) are a direct decendant from Carol Shelby's handywork. My 94' has 77k trouble-free miles on it now and I expect it to go at least twice that more.

By the way Matt, what are you driving that we should be so envious about?

And for what it's worth, even PININFARINA stooped so low as to build a body for Caddillac (Remember the Allante?)

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This message has been edited by tblasing on 01-24-2002 at 06:01 PM

[matthew2]

Tblasing,

I wasn't trying to be rude. Really. I think it's great you worked so hard to buy a car like that. Im still saving at my job for a pair of RF3's. I'm surprised your car hasn't had problems. You must take good care of it.

quote:

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By the way Matt, what are you driving that we should be so envious about?

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Lol. I dont turn 16 till Saturday. And dont start Drivers ED' till FEB 11th. However, what I will eventually be driving is a Honda Civic. Yeah, I don't think anyone should be envious of it. (well, mabey when I'm done with it..I hope) THAT has 230 000 miles on it, trouble free. New clutch a while ago, and the hand brake needs adjusting at this point. Thats the only thing that's ever gong wrong with it.

And I dont know any 4 banger's stock, that can burn in third. But I can get some pavment going in 2nd. Sounds like a good car you got there.

I dont think I'll ever wanna car from america. But that's just me. performance wise, many american cars do great, but I perfer the imports.

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This message has been edited by matthew2 on 01-24-2002 at 06:34 PM

[QUiKSR20]

Thats cool Mike I hear ya on the Torque thing thats

one thing with 4 cylinders Theres alot of hondas that

road race with my friends and there SE-Rs and for a 4

banger they have a nice torque curve from teh factory

145HP 136TQ where as hondas will be like 170HP 110TQ

and if u boost them the se-r will have a dyno chart thats

compareable to a 350 nice and smooth which works good

when coming out of the turns and the LSD Trans helps

too Nice Car Mike Theres a bit diff. With Real Import

Racers and the riceboys.. and thats what gives us a bad

rep.. Most of the guys i race with are from 22-42.

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This message has been edited by QUiKSR20 on 01-24-2002 at 07:13 PM

[Mighty Favog]

Post Script-- Sorry, as for third gear, I was reffering to the Shelby, not the DSM.

This message has been edited by tblasing on 01-24-2002 at 07:31 PM

[Mike Lindsey]

Darryl,

Here is a half-*** website that I was starting to put together before I found the Klipsch Forum. It's not very accurate as I no longer live in Virginia but the car is the same...

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/luvmy92/index.shtml

Mike

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[QUiKSR20]

Cool.. Heres an old site i was working on for my car

but never got around to updating it.

http://members.aol.com/quiksr20

Heres a new picture of the car now

http://www.z10eng.com/daryl/sentra.jpg

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[mike stehr]

'The Suberu IMPREZA WRX will outrun an American Muscle car from a standing start in many cases. and out handel it.'

LOL!

I would love to see it street race light to

light with 428 '67 GTO or a '69 Judge!

How about '67 vette roadster, with the 435 horse

427 Tri-power?

You think that little ol' Subaru can spank this

off the line?!

How about a '69 Super Bee with a 440 Six-Pack?

1970 454 Chevelle SS? I don't think so!

That Impreza might outhandle any of these rides,

but is sure as Hell won't outrun any of them!

Obviously, you have not had enough exposure

to Musclecars to make any sort of judgement.

Suburu's have as much Torque as a Shindiawa

Weed Whip.

But if it makes ya feel better, I own 3 Toyotas,

A '80 truck, a '78 Celica, and a '85 celica GTS coupe.

Why? Like you said, reliability.

Most american rides from about '78 on up are

garbage, you got that right there.

(There is some exceptions, however.)

But not the old Musclerides.

My rant is over.

THANX!

[mike stehr]

BTW, That is one Nice Corvette you

have there, Mike Lindsey!

I see what your talent is.

THANX!

[matthew2]

Mike,

Suburu Impreza P1. (Japanese stock) 0-60 4.6 seconds. Turbocharged V-8.

How fast did the cars you listed do Zero-60? I don't know.

Thanks

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Gatta' love klipsch

[boa12]

what about the corvette "king of the road"? thought it

did 0-60 around 4.4 sec or less(?). i'm outta my league here though - i just know the 12hz wave from my sub goes a lot faster.

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This message has been edited by boa12 on 01-28-2002 at 01:16 PM

[synthfreek]

Well here's my 2 cents for all it's worth. I just had to say something about the Subaru. Come on now guys you have to admit that's a rockin' little ride. I'm not at all into those Fast & the Furious type cars. In fact anytime my girlfriend or I see a car that even remotely resmembles any from F&F we both laugh and say "Fast & the Furious". My auto tastes range from classic American's like the '57 Nomad to my favorite car of all time the Porsche 911. I love Italians for their styling and performance. I love my '93 Celica cuz it'll last forever. I have too many other hobbies that interest me to sink time and money into cars. When it comes down to it that's all it does is get you from one place to another. I find the people with F&F cars are only trying to get laid or have a substitute for their boring lives. I'm getting outta line here so back to the WRX. I give it props for looking like a Nissan Sentra or Geo Metro but literally almost as quick as a '65 AC Cobra. A true wolf in sheep's clothing.

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[mike stehr]

I guess I shouldn't be so harsh on the WRX.

I owned two subaru's. a '79 and a '80.

These things had what, 80 horses?

I guess Subaru has come a long way since then,

4.6 seconds is pretty impressive.

For a Subaru.

I don't know how fast to 60 any of these

cars I refered to are.

And I still think that these rides will eat

that Impreza, But that's me and can be wrong.

My stepbrother had a '49 willy's with the body

raised a little, and the firewall pulled back.

They threw a '65 271 horse 289 high peformance

engine out of a '65 2+2 Mustang.

A Edelbrock 'Tarantula' type manifold with

a dual feed 550 cfm Holley, and a full syncro

3 speed trannie.

This jeep from a standing start in 4wd low range,

would literally hop across a intersection.

Then when you hit second gear, you could shift

from 4wd low range, to 2wd high range.

Then the little Willys would stand straight up,

and flat haul ***.

We never timed it 0 to 60, but it could do 0 to 80

in about two average telephone pole lengths.

Musclecars could not even touch the 'Heep'

in a light to light race.

Neither would the WRX.

A '65 '67 427 AC Cobra could do 0-60 in 4

seconds flat.

And if I had a choice between a Subaru WRX

and a old GTO, I gladly would take the Pontiac

any day of the week just off looks alone.

Im sorry, even if the Subaru is faster,

it still looks like a typical Jap car.

Hell, I watched a Phony '69 Shelby with

a very real $10,000 428 spank a two stroke

crotch rocket off the line.

But I think the bike rider was unexperienced.

(He kinda hesitated, he had to look at the fake Shelby

jumping across the intersection.)

To each his own.

THANX!

[Mike Lindsey]

quote:

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Originally posted by synthfreek:

When it comes down to it that's all it does is get you from one place to another.

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Yeah, and some people are happy while listening to a clock radio... but I see you're not.

Cars are no different than Hi-Fi... they are in your blood. I have been into Corvettes since I was 8 years old (1967) and knew right then and there, I was gonna get one some day. It took me almost 30 years from that point to make my dream come true. When I was growing up we didn't even know there were Japanese cars. I can't ever remember seeing one until my dad traded in our '72 Cadillac Eldorado for a '73 Toyota Corolla because of the gas crisis. Growing up in the muscle car era was a time I'll never forget.

Now we have today's kids growing up with the Japanese car invasion and that's cool. I don't hold it against them. I'm sure they feel the same way about seeing a RX-7 or Supra, as I did while seeing that Red '65 big-block convertible with the side pipes. But I really don't think thirty years from now you are going to find a a very large market for these cars in original condition. The muscle cars however will be cherished long after I'm gone...

Mike

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[mike stehr]

'I really don't think thirty years from now you are going to find a a very large market for these cars in original condition. The muscle cars however will be cherished long after I'm gone...'

Pretty much explains it, doesn't it, Matt?

With the possible exception of a Supra,

or a ZX, more of the exotic Jap rides.

Will they last 30 years?

Yeah Mike, some of the cars I posted about were from

a group of neighbors down the street.

They were Gearheads.

A Jehovah's Witness next door to them, owned

the Super Bee.

The Gearheads respectfully pulled their cars

over when Tom went to go get some Maddog

with the 440, dual burnout all the way up

the street, on L50's nonetheless.

Tom had a '57 Studebaker he raced at the time.

The gearheads had one guy who restored Corvettes,

and had a girlfreind named Penny Mcdonald

whose folks live near my folks now.

She had the '67 roadster, she raced it

in Autocross or Autorama, or something.

Regal blue with black stripes, what a car!

This was 1973, I was 7 or 8.

(I don't think I have seen one since, maybe.)

She came by to see if her Boyfreind was home

once, they were out getting drunk probably.

My freinds and I were riding our bicycles

around her screaming, BURN 'EM OFF! BURN 'EM OFF!,

Boy she laid into that 'vette.

It didn't burn 'em off, but carried the front wheels

about 2, 3 feet.

Scared the sh*t out of her by the look on

her face, she backed right off.

We were quite Impressed.

(You really had to watch yourself on a Bicycle

back then.)

(Sigh)I miss the days of Big Blocks and Purple Hornies.

I'm listening to 'Kind of Blue'

what kind of vehicle would this album compare

to Mr Lindsey?

PS, If your still interested in the Chorus II

crossover upgrade and can live with some drawings

instead of pics, I can send a Email with parts

lists and scanned drawings.

(If your still interested.)

THANX!

[mr84monte]

Cant we all just get along?

My main vehicle interest is American, but during the week, I drive 88 Integra. Not riced out, but get many complements, on it's clean looks. Now when I was 16 in 1989 my first car was a 69 Chevelle Malibu. A nice car. After graduation, I got a 69 Chevelle SS. 396/4sp. About this time, was when you started to notice pants hanging below a persons butt. What the hell is that all about anyway? Then we noticed younger kids putting money into imports, like we did to our American cars. I'm just thinking that most of the kids grew up around these cars, like I grew up around the American ones, so their interest went there. How many of the import guys have parents with Musclecars? For me, that 396 neck snapping has me hooked plus that V-8 Rumble. Now realistically how many people actually drive their 60's musclecars everyday? I doubt many do, and the price of these cars has shot up dramatically. Here in Washington, its hard to find any good 60'smusclecars for under $15,000. I was looking for a 67 Chevelle SS, and most are between 20 - 25,000. Then you got to find another car to drive during the week if you're like me, and drive 60 miles a day round trip.

Anyway I'm way off the subject now, But I feel both cars have their place. So during the week I drive an import and on nice weekends the American pipes will rumble. But to the hard core import guys, I would say don't count out our "unreliable" musclecars, until you've taken a ride in a big block car.

I sure have notice a lot more imports on the side of the road lately too, plus more and more, with black bumpers, coming from the exhaust. I think when this all comes to an end though (like mini trucks) young import owners will have a hard time getting any good money out of theses cars. To me when looking for a used import "adult owned" goes a long way. Who would want a used WRX turbo that was raced around all the time? I've been to the street races, and it just kills me to see a car still with the paper plate racing. I'm sorry, there is no way these will be reliable cars.