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---------------- On 1/16/2005 9:13:12 AM wpines wrote: Back in college when I was broke ---------------- so ya wanna go back to that, eh? Forrest

Wpines, If the budget you have is for speakers/amplification only, with patience you can do very well. Cornwalls and the 233 Piranha linked to above will serve you very well. You'll be able to do seriously loud yet have the most seductive female vocals at low volumes (the Cornwalls seem to be made for female vocals, I swear!). This hi-fi road is a pretty cool one. Enjoy. Forrest ---------------- On 1/16/2005 9:13:12 AM wpines wrote: Back in college when I was broke I dreamed of a system with Klipsch and Mcintosh or Phase Linear components. Twenty years later, I'm ready to start to explore. I'd like to get a starter setup while I read and learn. In the local Bargain News are a pair of Chorus for $750, a pair of Cornwall for $1,500 and a bunch of Heresy's for $350-$500. I'll probably be buying a low powered tube receiver to get started like a Mac 1700. What would you do? Thank you. ----------------

---------------- On 1/14/2005 9:54:05 PM 3dzapper wrote: ---------------- On 1/14/2005 7:38:41 PM DeanG wrote: You'll also find fuses in the output sections of most amplifiers -- why don't we stress out over those? The more I learn about electronics, the less I worry about that kind of stuff. Some of you guys act like the tuba won't make it through the wire unless you make it big enough!! ---------------- That's a good question Dean, how does the tuba make it throgh the wires? Or MaMa Cass? Rick ---------------- Finally! A question I feel qualified to answer! The tuba doesn't make it through the wires. The musicians actually live in the speaker, and the bigger the speaker, the greater the number of musicians that can live in there. They live off the juice the amplifier provides. The better the juice, the happier the musicians, and the better the sound. I used to think the same principle applied to televisions, but with the advent of flat screen/low box volume tv's... there has to be something else going on. I'm certain there is an explanation I can live with out there, however! always happy to help out, Forrest

---------------- On 1/14/2005 8:43:09 PM thebes wrote: Forgot to mention one thing, I wish I could drive this with one of Mark's Pre's, but it's totally beyond my means at the moment. But for those of your that have almost saved up enough his demo Peach is on ebay right now with, I think about two days to go. If you win it you are encouraged to donate it to the "Save the Thebes" fund. ---------------- LOL! Ok, NOW you are getting carried away! Woo

Garymd still has ya beat... but golly jee, what a find! woo

---------------- On 1/14/2005 10:55:43 AM fini wrote: Kind of a cig sig, eh? ---------------- (sic) yeah

OK! No more tweaks (at least until next year)... other than that... watch out.. here it comes! Woo

AWESOME! Thanks for the information. I'll buy these based on that description. I really dig the 'expansive' sound for meditation and taiji practice. As for new music I've been listening to this week... Allison Kraus and Union Station 'New Favorite' (I'm a big bluegrass afficianado... must be the guitar picker in me) Mary Chapin Carpenter 'Time *Sex* Love' bought as a result of a recommendation here... really good stuff... reflective. A 'burnt' CD compilation of the Indian music producer A.R. Rahman, ... on of my student workers (from India) responded to my request that he share music he was passionate about... and this is extremely well produced east meets west played by some of India's finest talent. It really just blows me away. I'm going to have to seek out 'real' CD's by this fellow.. he has it together. later y'all, Forrest

---------------- On 1/13/2005 1:30:26 PM psg wrote: Some people do have the upgrade bug every few years ---------------- This crowd? Ya think? (that one line made me giggle, even if it was talking about bicycles!) woo

---------------- On 1/12/2005 7:29:08 PM synthfreek wrote: Michael Stearns & Ron Sunsinger-Singing Stones (1994. Fathom/Hearts Of Space. CD). Actual resonant stone recordings. Native American Ceremonials with Electronic Instruments. This is a great album of Stearns and Native American/Shaman Sunsinger "playing" stones with elk antlers. Sounds crazy but I swear you would never in a million years that that is what is making these sounds. Shamanic ritual music with some CRAZY but typical deep bass from Stearns. All of Stearns albums are impeccably produced with a "beyond the walls" soundstage. ---------------- Gotta question Synthfreak.. I teach taiji and am always looking for good, spacious, meditative background music to accompany my lessons as well as my personal meditation. Would this fit into that category?? thanks, Forrest (I think I'll get the drumming rec just because I really dig percussion, but I would hardly call it conducive to meditation).

The dryer cable made me think of a little poem found in the journals of Theodore Geisel (Dr. Seuss) Just came from the home of Mr. Von Oech Who is so godd@m rich he has gold plated sex geez..

When I got my first pair of Cornwalls, I was listening to Grisman and Rice "Tone Poems" and thought I was hearing bad noise from the speakers.. turns out I was hearing them breath. I hadn't heard that before on my previous system. Keith Jarrett also hums.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Them's purty! Woo have you put in the ALK's yet?

---------------- On 1/10/2005 7:38:47 PM IB Slammin wrote: Try stacking the second pair of Corns atop the first pair. Tweeter to tweeter. THEN, you will B.Slammin! Listen to the four CW's and listen to the Klipschorns. Compare the two and get back to me with your impressions of Radar Love. Terry ---------------- LOL! I had to sneak the Cornwalls into the main room as it is. We have this Design and Aesthetics commitee that has to approve each and every single change that occurs with the room, and I bought and installed the 1st pair of Cornwalls without asking anyone. Amazingly enough, no one said anything. The second pair, same deal. Again, no one said anything. Stacking those beasts, if it didn't kill me, would set off the alarm bells, I'm pretty sure. However (he ponders).. I might just do it some night during the week just to see how it sounds. Might be big fun. Forrest

---------------- On 1/10/2005 5:35:27 PM sunnysal wrote: congrats forrest on improving your soundstaging with the k-horns! I am surprised that the corns do a better job depth-wise, could it be a toe-in issue? I wonder what improvment might be reaped by placing the k-horns in false corners and toeing them out or in slightly? regards, tony ---------------- I think it's because the Cornwalls are, in effect, about 6 feet in front of the back wall. You can see the room if you do a search for the thread "New Klipsch User..." by me. I have pics of the room there, and where the Heresys were is where the 2nd pair of Cornwalls is now placed. I briefly (about the same length of time it takes to sneeze) entertained the idea of building false corners, and transporting the Khorns to the church to see what kind of depth of soundstage they would offer there, but honestly, I'm NOT that ambitious. Forrest if you are so interested, more pictures of the church's main room, pre-cornwall, are at http://www.uubgky.org/uufoto.htm Scroll down to the 4th picture, and there I am behind the partition where I keep the keyboards (blurry, of course).. but the cornwall placement I was talking about is in the corner to the left, and the corresponding corner on the far right of the room. There are no parallel surfaces in this room. There are also no good corners for the khorns if I ever did get a notion to haul them down there. (It won't happen).

---------------- On 1/10/2005 10:12:56 AM scott0527 wrote: Please stop playing that devil music in the house of the Lord will you!!! http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/11.gif"> http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/6.gif"> ---------------- The house of the Lord, according to the neon signs, is up the street about a mile and a half. I have no desire to talk religion here, however. I mentioned 'church' only because that's where I keep my four Cornwalls. The size of the room and the placement are what let me hear the *deep* soundstage.

---------------- On 1/10/2005 9:15:38 AM fini wrote: Forrest, Congratulations! So, the difference is in the soundstage? Obviously, that would be wider, but does it improve the depth as well? I've got mine on a 16-foot wall in a (sort-of) 16X20 foot room (I say sort-of because I am including in the 20 feet the one-step-up entry hall that is separated from the room proper by symetrical flanking low cabinetry, and a square collumn on each side. I will have to post a picture ). This is the only place in the room where they'll fit. Anyway, I experience great width of soundstage, but not great depth. This is probably due to the size of the room, but I have also been wondering if this is an inherent quality of corner placement (you can't pull them away from the corners without building false corners). ---------------- Fini, I had read (some review) before acquiring these that the soundstage of the Khorn imaged beautifully wide, but that there wasn't much depth. I've found that to be the case in my room as well. But the sound is so glorious you forgive the lack of 'holographic' image! The cornwalls, on the other hand, throw out an incredible 3 dimensional image (IMO) if you can swing the proper placement. In the room where I have my cornwalls, the outer pair are 35 feet apart, and about 6 feet in front of the back wall. I experienced that sonic 'hologram' with the cornwalls the other day when that song 'Radar Love' (I guess that's the name) was on the radio and I was listening to the outer pair only. It was like the first time I 'got it' when I looked at those 3-D pictures where you have to relax your eyes to see the image pop out. It was really quite impressive. I later took the 'Best of Blue Note' CD (thanks GARY!!!) to the church for the same effect with better music (again, IMO). That's what got me wanting to put the khorns on the long wall. Again, the imaging of the khorns is spectacular, but there isn't much depth. I'll still keep em though! Forrest p.s. Fini, thanks for the thoughts about refinishing (in another thread), but a little Oil Soap has cleaned them up nicely. I'm going to post pics soon, I promise.

I've been in heaven listening to my khorns, but last week at the church where I've put my cornwalls I was stunned by the soundstage they present. I've got two pair there, and I was listening to the 2 outer corns only. They are 35 feet apart and it is a large room. So I remember reading somewhere around here how khorns are happier on the long wall if you can swing it. My room is 11 x 20, and the horns were on the short wall. That put the sweet spot about 4 feet in front of the speakers. But tonight I figured out a way to get the horns on the long wall by moving this and that, and oh my. They are definitely happier on the long wall, so am I. Right now I'm sitting in the sweet spot as I type. I might never leave the chair. What a wealth of info here! thanks y'all! forrest

---------------- On 1/6/2005 4:52:52 PM dtek_1 wrote: thanks i know the rti12s are over kill i would like a set of klipsch that are really good for my system maybe a bit bigger than my system so they will last if i upgrade latter i like bass and loud music'and movies i like the sounds of the svs sub but don't know what speakers like the model #s can you give me your opinion on what you would buy in the new line and what do you think of that sub or is there something better thanks for any help ---------------- ! . (). . , () ? ? ? ! Forrest p.s. the advice here is going to be "Klipsch". Just a heads up.

---------------- On 1/6/2005 9:30:25 AM Born2RockU wrote: Being a professional music educator myself ... I worry everyday as to what music the next generation will be influenced by . There seems to be "slim-to-nothing" musical, when it come down to musical foundational roots, appearing in any of the commercialized music in America. And all this for the almighty $$$$. It is quite obvious this is an ongoing step in the decline of the western civilization....musically ! ---------------- Curious, what is your field? I have a degree in piano but chose not to teach. I agree with you about the availability of good musical influences out there with regard to the general public. Forrest

---------------- On 1/4/2005 1:08:57 PM TBrennan wrote: Rick---Actually I think a Dyna 400 and LaScalas sounds pretty good, best I ever heard LSs sound. With a PAT-5 preamp and a Thorens record player with an ADC-XLM the sound was smooth, defined and with a VERY deep soundstage; depest soundstage I ever heard actually if'n deep soundstages trip yer trigger. Mind though that when I owned that set-up I smoked LOTS of grass. ---------------- So THAT'S why my 70's Onkyo A-5 sounded so good. Now that I think about it, my pursuit of Klipsch speakers and tube amplification started precisely when I quit smoking grass. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Woo (wanting to listen to the Klipsch Reeference Series now) btw, I ordered one of these Sonic Impacts last week, due to be delivered in February. I mean ... geez... 30 bucks? I've lost more than that trying to make my Onkyo sound good.

---------------- On 1/3/2005 5:28:29 PM Jim Thilmany wrote: I have a pair of vintage 1886 Klipsch Corner horns for sale. ---------------- Now *THAT* is vintage!

---------------- On 12/30/2004 4:00:55 PM DeanG wrote: S/N 8519941 1985 right? ---------------- Hello Dean, My 1985 Cornwalls have serial numbers 8538171 + 8538172, and they are type I's (rear mounted drivers). I would say that since the ones you mention here are built even earlier, they are probably type I's as well. cheers, forrest

---------------- On 12/30/2004 6:28:54 PM jt1stcav wrote: Only 55 miles to Clearwater to help my bro pick up his Klipsch KG 5.5 towers. Only 12 miles to Best Buy to purchase my ProMedia 2.1s. If I recall in '79, my dad only drove about 8 miles to Newington, CT to buy the Cornwalls. Probably the SHORTEST road trips made... ---------------- Ha! I got ya beat... a 6 mile *round* trip to get my Khorns. Before that, however, 140 round trip (Nashville, TN) for the first pair of Cornwalls 700 mile round trip (Atlanta, GA) for the 2nd pair of Cornwalls Both sets of Heresys were shipped. Forrest

wow! thanks for the heads up. Once again, the forum and my wallet feed off one another. Forrest