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Free is good. I'm sure to up by 9 or so. I'll probably do my coffee and slide the Scott in upstairs. Call me anytime after 10am -- I should be good to go (937.299.6324).

Craig, man, I'd love to play tonight but I'm sick as hell. I broke down and went to the doctor, who put me on some antibiotics for the first time since '97. I usually work weekends, but took off tomorrow to rest my sorry rear. What's going on tomorrow? Any chance we can do this then? BTW, if you want me scratch the piss out of your 299b with my magic paper -- send it over! Kelly, actually, I just take everything you said a year ago and regurgitate it. I have learned a bunch over the last year. I still think you are primarily responsible for the complete metamorphasis of the 2-channel forum. Thanks for dragging the whole lot of us kicking and screaming into the world of hot glass. You are a pain in the arse sometimes, but damn -- this forum loses something significant when you sit out.

Very cool. Talk about taking something the nth degree. I've been following that 'other' thread, and based on what I'm seeing here, there can be no question that you can easily duplicate the large scale dynamics, timing cues, and the proper relationship of direct and reflected sound -- necessary to recreate the "live" music experience. I can't help but wonder however, if it isn't just the sheer amount of acoustic space you have provided -- that contributes more to this effect than anything. None-the-less, very impressive. I especially appreciated the commentary, and the math behind some of it. I have several questions, but need some time to digest some of things you've said. I've always enjoyed the near field experience, but I listen to mostly Rock music. My main listening area is the bedroom, which is on the 2nd floor of a cape cod type house. The bedroom covers the entire 2nd floor, and though rather long (about 20 feet) -- the speakers are on the short wall at one of the ends, and I sit about 8 feet back -- with all the wide open space behind me. So, If the room is 20 feet long and 12 feet wide -- what does the math say should be the optimum distance from the rear and side walls? I'm also curious about the bass. If you have the acoustic space necessary to propagate the wave properly -- but you are only sitting 8 feet away -- do you still "hear" it? Thanks,

If those of you having dealt with Craig have not yet pulled the plate off the bottom to examine his art-work -- then I can tell you first hand the man has a gift. It's amazing he's willing to expose himself to the sheer madness that lives under those amps. There's enough wire under those things to string a Christmas tree. The complexity of the circuits, and the amount of contact points involved, makes anything I've owned to date look like a 1st grade science project. As I was telling Craig -- an aspect of going the vintage route that doesn't immediately come to mind, is the fact that these things were for the most part completely hand built. I mean, there just isn't anything going on in there that could have been automated. The extreme range of options provided on the panel, with the addition of a phono section -- to put all of this into the context of current day dollars is hard to imagine. ****** one of these up from ebay, have someone like Craig do his thing -- and not only do you have something that you cannot buy new, but even if you could -- it would easily cost you $3500. I didn't get the Scott until late last night. Fedex came pounding on my door at 6:30. I'm fighting a chest cold and fever, and needed sleep more than anything. I didn't even break open the box. I got up around 9, and pulled her out. I'm a bit anal about asthetics -- and immediately went to work on her. I lost a half an hour because I couldn't pull myself away from Craig's soldering work. To think I whined about doing the DQ's. The only thing I would even remotely consider sticking into this rat's nest is a Q-tip, which I did. Actually, it was probably more like 30 of them. I used Q-tips and IPA, and CAREFULLY went over entire bottom of the chassis plate. Not that it was bad to begin with, but I wanted it all nice and shiney. Only a moron like me would even care about such a thing -- but I knew once I sealed it up, it was going to stay that way for a long time. I wanted a clean slate. I then went to work on the wood case with lemon oil. Next came the top chassis plate. The top of the chassis plate looked like what one would expect it to look like after 45 years. Again, nothing horrible -- but I wanted to give it a fresh look. I started with a 3M scratch pad (equivelant to .000 steel wool), and started rubbing out the imperfections. After this I took some 1500 grit cloth, and started polishing. The trick here is to only go in one direction, and it pretty much takes forever. I finished by taking the scratch pad to it again, so it would have the satin look it originally had. I did the same with the metal tube coverings (what the hell are those things called anyways). Cleanup consisted of taking a vacuum cleaner to every square inch (especially the tube sockets), and then a good wipe down with IPA and Windex. I finished at 2:30 in the morning. I wish I had taken a digital picture of the bottom. I was just tired and felt like general crap -- and didn't even think about it until after it was all back together. I took some pictures of the finished product this morning -- and posted one for your viewing pleasure. I haven't fired her up yet. I will do that later today. Since the Heresys won't be here until next week, I guess I'll just have to strap her to the RF7's and hope to God she doesn't sound as good as the Apollos.

The nice thing about low powered solid state like this HK, is that transistors aren't required to be paired up in order to get high output -- So, little, or no crossover distortion. Congrats Justin -- enjoy the music!

Focus on the Real Estate angle. If you can work out the financial issues to get this going -- you could potentially retire in 10 years. Anything related to Audio will only sap you financially and leave you frustrated. You will have your hands full just maintaining the rentals. At some point, if finances permit -- you could use profit generated from the Rentals to maybe start some Audio retail business.

Nice post. But what the hell is "epistimological viewpoint"?

These numbers only work if you are sitting 3 feet from your speakers. You need to subtract 3db for every additional 3 feet you are away from them.

You will also find a substantial reduction in digital hash, and treble 'spit' when using a decent deck with a tubed front end. The sound of that Sony 555ES will be completely transformed with tubes. I use the 9000ES, and I think these Sony machines are perfect with tubes.

'fun' loud? Or... cover your ears and run for hills loud?

I actually expect the Heresies and the Scott to jel pretty good together. That's really what it's all about -- the sound you end up with after you daisy chain everything together. Shoot, I'm one of those goofballs that still thinks Old Advents and a Dynaco 400 is magic. I thought the DQ's and the Aragon rocked too. It was just that I had to dump 1/2 the amp into them to get the sound I wanted. In spite of Kelly's feelings regarding the SuperAmp, he never heard one with the RF7's, and I'm not even sure he ever heard the DJH version. That 'sound' was as close to what I'd been after my whole life that I ever got. I kind of felt like an idiot when I sold it because I let the channel imbalance problem get under my skin. It really sounded great, and I should have worked through the problem. Then the Apollos showed up, and I figured what the hell. What I have now is everything I had then, along with this character of having every instrument delineated. The SuperAmp was definitely hotter on top, but I can't really say it had any more balls on the bottom. Oh yeah! Got me a whopping 5 on the damping factor scale -- beats the hell out of where the control is coming from. The point here is that the RF7's and the Apollos just mate in that magical kind of way. At any rate, it's all about synergism -- and I'm hoping like all get out that the Heresies and Scott will do the same. If it works out well -- I'll probably start putting some money aside for some LaScala's, K-horns, or some kind of DIY thing from the Tom Brennen School of Old Ugly Horns. Right now, I just want to play and see how the squawker effects me. If I ever sold the Apollos, it would only be because I had to, if like -- it was the only way to get the bigger horns. I would probably then put the Scott on the RF7's, and then try for some Wrights or Paramours -- which would be all I could afford.

Since I'm running two systems, I'm sure the RF7's will always have a place. Personally, I don't think Heritage has a snowballs chance in hell of matching the refinement of the RF7's. Sorry. As far as the Heresies being bass shy, I'm not even remotely concerned about it -- since I'll be strapping them to a SVS 20-39+ along with 500 pro watts.

Hmmm. Thanks for the heads up.

Craig thinks when I hear those Heresy's I'm going to go completely goo-goo-ga-ga, and then kick my RF7's out of the house. I can't possibly imagine -- but hell, I guess anything is possible. I'm down to a pathetic 9 wpc. I said that would never happen either.

DB -- I think you're losing it. I just use IPA, Q-tips, and pipe cleaners. Man, it sounded like I upgraded the whole system.

I'm 8 feet away. My chair has a cushy head cushion, so there is padding behind my ears. The closest wall behind me is 15 feet away. The chair is a rocker, and I tend to tilt back a little. I'm as pure as the wind driven snow.

Interesting. Advocating rational thinking and considering the repercussions of knee jerk reactions makes me a lefty? Well, actually -- I'm a Moderate Conservative that believes there has been a complete absence of critical thinking on this. Nice how you group the whole Muslim World into a nice little package so you can justify your moronic reasoning. Never thought I would live to see the day where a nuclear exchange would be considered "the right thing to do". Why not let Israel take him out? Or, are we gonna make them sit this one out again?

When I listen to my system... ... I am ______ feet away from the speakers. ... there is a ______ behind my head (wall, nothing, padding from listening chair, etc.) ... I sit ______ (up, up and somewhat forward, reclined, etc.) ... I am ______ (somewhat intoxicated, stoned, straight, blasted)

Those underneath shots of the Wrights and the Moondog are interesting in light of what is twisting and twirling under my Apollos.

Actually, Craig will work on the Eicos as well -- but I think he breaks out in a rash when he does it. Well, I guess I'm biased -- but the AE-3 or AE-3 DJH would work out real well for you. http://www.upscaleaudio.com If mine were ever to croak for some reason -- I'm sure I would just turn around and buy another. Amp wise -- it comes down to the size of your room and how loud you like to listen. Personally, with your musical tastes -- I would go for a 300b if eyeing the SET thing. So, room size, SPL, and budget. Fill us is. As far as the G.A.W. offering goes -- we still need more information on these things. The type of circuit, quality of the parts used, layout of the parts under the amp, warranty (what happens if one of your amps takes out a pair of K-horns). I'm sorry, but some of us here drive some pretty pricey stuff, and I for one -- am not all that comfortable doing business with anyone that doesn't have an established reputation for quality sound and reliability. You might have to send one of these amps out for FREE, just so someone can do an evaluation and review of the product.

That's right. Never tell anyone on this forum you're even remotely interested in something -- it's the kiss of death.

Karl Lewis designed. $84 in 1972. Already a collectable when I sold it. Probably worth $350 in 1982. Gun would probably now draw about $600. New Dan Wessons based on the D-11 run around $800.

well well well -- ya just couldn't wait could you? Hee hee, I know the feeling. It's tough. You did good! You compared them head on and made a choice -- also keeping in mind where you were going to put them and how you were going to listen. Cool. I also listen nearfield. Not because I have too -- but because I like too. I'm sure you are getting a very good sound out of those. I don't agree with the straight ahead placement. Toe them in and get that energy directed into the listening area, instead of reflecting off of the side walls.

If anyone is interested, my story was posted on the board today. Since I don't have a long history with Klipsch -- it was difficult coming up with something of interest to write. I also didn't want to drone on about how great Klipsch is -- I just wanted to write something that expressed my journey to where I am now, and how it impacted me. Therefore -- it's not very long.

I traded a Dan Wesson .357 revolver for it between 1979 an 1982. I can't remember the exact year. I was selling the gun through the Trading Post, and a caller asked me if I would be interested in a trade. I only knew that Thorens made decent tables -- so I went for it. After I got it, I couldn't do crap with it.