Deang

Mine are in the drop dead gorgeous blonde maple. I also have an SVS CS+ sub -- I like the contrast of the maple and the black behind it. You need to remember that the front baffle of the RF7 is that dark grey/black high density fiberboard. The front of the speaker is black no matter which finish you get. If your dad likes the cherry, get the cherry -- it's very nice looking. Certainly better than the black. Who gives a crap what color the RS7's are -- they are on the wall behind/over your head. It's those monsterous RF7's that will be commanding attention. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * Klipsch RF7s f>s> Psalm 122:6f>c>s>

NOS440 I was kind of thinking along these lines. Let's take your Heresy's. 01 watt = 96db at 3 feet 10 watts = 106db 20 watts = 109db Subtract 3db for every three feet you move away from the speakers. 106 db if you sit 6 feet away 103 db if you sit 9 feet away 100 db if you sit 12 feet away Wow, you're right -- he don't need no stinking 40 watts ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * Klipsch RF7s f>s> Psalm 122:6f>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-19-2002 at 09:43 AM

I think any would be criticisms have to take a back seat to the very good deal you got. You might find Adcom's presentation of the high frequencies a little 'hot' and 'brittle' sounding through those horns when being played at louder levels. The bass will be fabulous. It's very good stuff however -- you did good. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * Klipsch RF7s f>s> Psalm 122:6f>c>s>

I have some very light 'crackling' coming from my left channel that is only noticable at low volume levels or through the head-phones. It almost sounds like static but isn't. I have isolated it to the preamp. I guess I need to start replacing tubes one by one until I figure out which one it is. Any opinions on what this might mean exactly as far as the tube itself goes? I'm using NOS Amperex White Label 6922 PQ Gold Pins and Amperex 6DJ8 Bugle Boys. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * Klipsch RF7s f>s> Psalm 122:6f>c>s>

You gotta be kidding me Where would you put the horn(s) in a funky shaped cabinet -- at the bottom? You want 'stylish'? Start saving your money. Think I'll keep my money and my RF7's too! ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-19-2002 at 12:14 AM

Oh boy -- here we ago again. B&K makes great MOSFET amps and B&K will sound just dandy with those Belles. They would sound better with tubes however. It takes a while to get a grip on this 'loudness' thing. The Belle, with a sensitivity of 103db/watt will get pretty darn loud with 15 tube watts or less. 01 watt = 103db 10 watts = 113db 20 watts = 116db 40 watts = Pain ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

Sounds like we have something in common. Oh yeah -- put the juice to 'em. With sensitivity ratings around 98db/watt you are going to want at least 40 tube watts. This will easily give you 100db or a little more at the listening position. Also, you should know that tube watts are not like solid state watts. As you crank up solid state it will begin to harden up on you, while well driven tube amps will just get louder without losing their sonic integrity. My AE-25 actually sounds its best if I take it right up to the point of clipping. Other things you might be interested in knowing is that tube amps have this uncanny ability of pushing the sound well past the front baffle of the speaker. The sound is all enveloping and textured. Solid state sound is just 'there'. There just seems to be 'more' of everything with tubes that makes it very difficult to go back to solid state once you have experienced it. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-18-2002 at 11:26 PM

I sent several people within Klipsch an email asking some pointed questions about the LaScala due to my interest in them of late. My e-mail was forwarded to the engineer responsible for the re-voicing of the new LaScala since the introduction of the new components. I usually don't share private correspondence with individuals out of respect for their privacy and as an aid to keeping the lines of communication open in the event I feel the need to ask another barrage of strange questions. In other words, I want them to feel they can say anything they want and not worry that it is going to come back and bite them in the rear. But this time I just couldn't help myself "Dean: Thanks for your interest in the La Scalas...there is no MDF used in the La Scalas, just Birch ply. What text did you read that stated there was MDF used in their construction? The bad news is the price increase that Jim refered to took place in May so current MSRP is $4000.00 pr without the optional top grille. The Good news is the new drivers are very similar to the previous ones, they just have slightly different response curves which mandated a new network. The tweeter is basically the same design with parts and assembly now being handled by a different source. The midrange compression driver is a similar type but is a different design from a different supplier (if all that makes any sense). Since we were doing a new network we took the opportunity to refine the voicing to give a more balanced presentation tonally. The La Scala is actually the least changed of the three fully horn loaded Heritage models with a more modest improvement/change from the previous version. The Belle is noticably improvedk and the Klipschorn is transformed! To answer your question about the new version being as good as the previous, the answer is it's improved. The other technical changes to the La Scala are the elimination of the old screw type barrier strip, used for attaching the speaker wire, to the use of two pairs of five way binding posts. This facilitates bi-wiring and connection using spade lugs or banana plugs. We also updated the mounting of the tweeter, from being mounted on the back of the baffle and firing through 3/4" hole, to the "Z" bracket system used on the Klipschorn. This method flushes the front of the tweeter with the front of the baffle to reduce diffraction effects at high frequencies. We then dialed in a phase/time compensation for this in the new network since the tweeter diaphragm position was now moved 3/4" forward relative to the plane of the midrange driver diaphragm. No one can give you a complete answer to the question "Which one sounds better?" -- but you, it's very subjective. The RF 7's are, as mentioned, more extended and probably more accurate (flatter response), and image and soundstage better. The La Scala's are two dB more sensitive which will translate into slightly more effortless dynamics. With the lower half of the mids and all of the bass coming out of horns, lower distortion at high playback levels can be expected. Tonally the La Scala is slightly warmer in the mids and has a punchier, though less extended bass. I hope this helps you with you decision." ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * Klipsch RF-Sevens f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-19-2002 at 12:30 AM

I think some of this discussion should involve the size of your room and how far away you sit from the speakers. With my RF7's, sitting 8 feet away -- I can get 100db at the listening postion with 15 tube watts. This is plenty loud enough for me. Before you throw those KLF-10's into the trash -- you might try an ultralinear offering like the Anthem Amp1 and Pre2L preamp combo. Both of which can be found on AudiogoN for less than $1000 together. 40 EL-34 tube watts which is very musical for the money, and sure to keep you satisfied for some time. Later, if you get speakers with higher sensitivity -- you can sell everything off and get the lower powered tube offerings. Loud is good, and I can certainly relate -- but 130db will leave you quite deaf. Also, 'loud' that sounds above average is not as good as fairly loud that sounds outstanding. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-18-2002 at 06:33 PM

The Jubilee is realized and is going into production. Since I already have the RF7's -- I will take a set of those Jubilees -- thank you very much. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-18-2002 at 04:42 PM

Leok, If you bring the RF7's, I'll bring my Super Amp, SF Line 1, 9000ES, and SVS sub. You game? ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-17-2002 at 10:05 PM

More wisdom from The Builder. Really...I'm done for now. I'm happy with how it all sounds, so what is the point in jerking things around? You are right...time for Debbie to have some fun too!! Thanks for the reality check. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

Damn john -- you be the man! You actually put a smile on my face. You know this kind of stuff but can't help me find one redeeming quality of a metal cone You're holding out on me aren't you ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

After spending the last month agonizing over the future of my upgrade path -- I've come to some conclusions. My financial situation is such that whatever I decide to do -- I have to do it by the end of June, and that will be it for a very long time. I took a hard look at each part of my system for the purpose of determining which piece was the 'weakest' link. My thinking was such that if I spent my last $1000 -- where would it best be served. My preamp? I really like the SF Line 1. It is an outstanding sounding unit. I thought maybe I could sell it and then buy the AE-3 DJH Signature. I may still do this. I would probably break about even on this exchange. However, my ears are really dialed in to the sound of the 6922. I don't know what it is -- but I love the sound of this tube. It would be difficult to part with it. I worry a lot about trading one sonic characteristic for another. I worry about losing something in the sound I love, and gaining something else in the sound I might not care about. My amp? The only thing I would even consider doing is an upgrade to the DJH version. The Super Amp is a marvelous piece of equipment. The main reason for doing this upgrade would be for the extra 3db of headroom I would gain. I typically listen to levels around 98db to 100db at my chair. My music is intense -- and I like listening to it at an intense level. However, I worry about diminishing returns. Since I don't listen to recordings employing acoustic or wind instrumentation -- whatever sonic gains are made by this upgrade may simply get buried and lost within the layers of distortion emanating from the sound of stacked Marshall amps. Going from SS to tubes was quite a leap -- but I feel very strongly that going to something else in the tube arena is more of small hop than a big leap. Again, diminishing returns. My speakers? Hmmm. Those RF7's. Am I ready for some LaScalas or K-horns? Cornwalls? I am not like most of you who have been listening to full range horn speakers most of your life. My background is very different. I mean, I still find the sound of a Magnepan very appealing. I can walk into showroom playing music through Magnepans -- and immediately feel at home. There is a richness and texture to the music that many other speakers just can't reproduce in this way. I remember when I first brought the RB5's home. I still had my Maggies, and spent considerable time going back and forth with music and movies. I felt the RB5 retained much of the richness and texture of the sound, while at the same time belting out the sound with a sense of realism that was for the most part absent from the Magnepans. I thought the diffuseness of the sound field produced by the Magnepan was very appealing -- but it couldn't do it at high SPL's without pinching up and sounding congested. The RB5 otoh, always sounded wide open and non-congested no matter what punishment I inflicted upon it. The little RB5 won me over -- and I sold those Magnepans. What really won me over about the RB5 was that it gave me something from every speaker I ever liked, along with its ability to hold it all together without pinching. I consider it to be THE BEST value in audio. Nothing touches it for the money. Actually, to my ears -- I can't think of anything off hand in a box that size that competes with it. Nothing. I also still remember the sound of the Heresy's and K-horns I listened to in the 70's, and most recently, the KLF30's. Yea, yea I know -- I never heard them with 'the right stuff'. However, I never heard ANYTHING I ever bought with 'the right stuff'. I listened to the RB5's on a Yamaha receiver, and RF7's on Integra. We usually listen to speakers in less than ideal settings, and rarely with the front end equipment conducive to bringing out the best in the speaker. However, we listen, and we do get a very good idea of the sonic character. I hear Reference and I hear Heritage -- and I like Reference. What do I do? I didn't like three-way horns then, and so what is it that makes me think I will like them now? It is simply all you wonderful people who own and enjoy them so much, and who present so many convincing arguments in favor of them. It is in fact simple peer pressure that makes me want to throw caution to the wind and jump straight into 'The Forbidden Zone'. When I listen to what my ears are telling me to do -- they are telling me to STOP! What is it about an RF7, Dalhquist, Magnepan, or Vandersteen that I like? I think it would have to be the smoothness in response, and a certain degree of warmth and refinement in the sound at all power levels -- at least, with the kind of music I like to listen to. Can anyone here honestly say that 'warmth' is a word they would use to describe Heritage? Something we never talk much about here is the relationship between the design of the speaker and the music we like to listen to. We like to believe a speaker should just be an 'accurate' reproducer. We don't want to say that one type of reproducer is better for one type of music over another. We want to say that if it is 'accurate' -- then these distinctions should not be made. What is really wrong with drawing these distinctions? We speak of the effects of room acoustics and the differences in recorded material -- and easily accept that not all things work in all situations. Speaking of recorded material -- what of the differences in the actual frequency specific information found from comparing a blues or jazz recording to a Heavy metal or rock/pop recording? Should we not expect to believe it might be possible for one type of music to shine on a certain speaker, and yet have another type of music completely suck -- on the same speaker? I'm throwing this out there as another possibility (along with all the others) as to why one might prefer one speaker over another. I just can't help but wonder if Metallica on a set of Scalas might just be too much of a good thing. Thoughts? ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-16-2002 at 07:47 PM

The horns are mounted to the front baffle. He is asking $750 ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

I'm too tired to search. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

What a bunch of klutzes ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

sVs ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-15-2002 at 06:37 PM

PLEASE do tell me what you think. I have been tinkering with the idea of trading my RF7's in on a pair. Actually, I'm agonizing over it -- I really, really, like my RF7's. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

I'm pretty inept with hammer, nails, and glue though. I may have to send them to HDBRbuilder to get it done right. You know how he is -- he'd probably flip out on me if I used Elmers and MDF ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

I may just nail a piece of wood over the tweeter ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

I sure don't see any in this pic -- so where is it? LaScala ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-14-2002 at 11:12 PM

Does this principle you describe apply to the bass as well -- which is really what I was referring to. I've been taking a hard look at the LaScala -- and I've been thinking about how the bass works in that box. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s> This message has been edited by deang on 06-14-2002 at 11:17 PM

hmmm ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>

...way as a 'bandpass' type enclosure? ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 * S F Line 1 * S9000ES * HSU x-over * SVS CS+ * RF-7 Klipschcones® f>s> Exigency is the matriarch of ingenious contrivancef>c>s>