TheSoundBroker

Think about a 3 channel Earthquake Cinenova Grande. Super smooth, musical and ultra potent. One of the bigger bang for the buck amps out there. It is 300/ch and will easily handle the 2 ohm load on the RF-7's and allow you to get the crossover frequency lower. Let the Denon run the sides/rears. As for matching levels, should be absolutely no problem with the level controls on the reciever. I do mix/matches all the time. Sub wise...you might wait a month for the new Klipsch RT-12D which will DEFINTELY keep up with the RF-7/RC-7 combo. Check out the posting from Bob at Klipsch over in the sub forum on this beastie.

Chances are, there will be no warranty...so your friend would have to pay for shipping to service and back, plus any applicable repairs. There may be other options he may want to look into.

Yeah, the Crown is a nice piece. It was, by the way, better than the Behringer EP-2500 I also sell...the Behringer is a bit flatter and stock from the factory has a fan that sounds like a 737 at idle. For DIRT cheap, it sounds really surprising, but the Crown is very obviously a step up. Yes, the Bryston is not cheap...and the difference is incrimental...but it is a GOOD increment. When you graduate and get a great job and have the income...check it out. Nice thing is that the Crown you buy will be quite salable up the line. They hold their value well as they are such a well known and recognized quantity.

You might look into buying the Panasonic at Costco...yes, I said Costco. They are price competetive and if if ever breaks, you can take it back because of Costco's insane return policy (anything anytime). I've even sent clients there to get that projector since there is so little profit in it. I make more money selling them a mount!

True...but keep in mind, the low single digit distortion on the Danley is at IT's max output which is WAY beyond the DD-18's in room. At the range most people can use, the Danley is just barely loafing along at even lower distortion levels. It also has lower group delay and just flat out pressurizes the space like nothing else out there. I've experienced the Velodynes, have great respect for the company and nearly picked up the line...but the Danley is clearly in a different league all together IF you can fit a box in your room large enought to bury an NBA player in and have a screen wall to hide it. As for the pricing... the passive version runs $2995. Add $500 for an amp and another $100 for a BFD and you have the all time best buy in uber subwooferdom. The active version with DSP runs $4700. The DSP function includes having the guys at Danley analyze your room dimensions or actual measurements and set the DSP to help correct for room issues at the factory. I'd also throw the new Klipsch RT-12D into the fray...check out the other thread on the forum. Looking forward to hearing that little beastie! I'd be real curious to see what stacked ones can do with the room correction function.

Okay Bob...so inquring minds want to know... When can I have a KA-1000 with the room correction system built in? Huh? Huh? Huh? I don't mind selling BFD's but it would be easier to push a button...

Ahem...back to the SUBJECT at hand... I did get a chance to compare the QSC to the Crown and found them very comparable. The Crown is a tiny bit more forward sounding...though that could have been because it was fresh from the box. The QSC's fan is louder vs. the variable one on the Crown. With the feature set on the Crown, I'd give it the edge. For subwoofer use, I'd also give it the edge because of the parametric section. I'd put either one in my system without hesitation, both are excellent. This, by the way, was thru a set of PMC monitors. Both were not as good as a Bryston 4BSST that is the reference amp (and to be fair, the amp on which PMC's were developed) which is just flat out more musical in every dimension...but also considerably more sheckels.

N801's are hit and miss in my book. I had a pair traded in a few years back and we did absolutely everything we could to make them sound good, all the way up thru biamping them with absolutely massive power amps (Theta Citadels and Bryston 7BSST's...the Brystons sounded better). I could just NEVER get that speaker to sound good no matter what we did to them...and every other speaker sounded amazing in our old demo room (back in California before I became a refugee and fled the state). I ended up hating them and dumping them for less than I gave on trade just to get them out of the store. On the other hand, I have clients with identical sets/series and they sounded great...totally happy. I do know they crave MASSIVE horsepower...two sets of kilowatt+ amps, biamped on them aren't out of the question. There are guys talking about buying twin pairs of the new Bryston 28BSST 1200 watt monoblocks to run them because they suck up horsepower like there is absolutely no tomorrow.

You read it right. Scary thing is...as good as they think the system sounded, they have only scratched the surface of what the mighty THX Ultra 2 system is capable of. With top notch electronics and a fully laser aligned setup in an acoustically tuned space, it is nothing short of breathtaking. Only system I've ever heard movies better on is the big PMC systems that a lot of studios use to actually master film soundtracks...though just the mains cost nearly five times with the entire Ultra 2 package runs!

I understand Projectorpeople is an AVS forum supporting vendor and is legit. I haven't heard of Projector.com and can't comment. What product are you looking at?

Why should there be mandatory seatbelt and helmet laws? For me, it is simple. If you ride on public roads, paid for by society with public money, the public should have the right to determine what is and isn't required to operate a vehicle on those roads. If you want to buy a big piece of property, build a track, and ride around on it without a helmet all day long...knock yourself out (eventually). But if there is any chance I have to pay for your care after you scrape your face off...then I, as a member of the public and one who has ridden (and crashed before), want you to wear a helmet to reduce the chances of leaving your mug on the pavement. Same thing goes for seatbelt laws which are absolutely proven to reduce death and injuries.

The BFD is used for the EQ section, which is flat out awesome for LFE equalization. There is an entire website and forum dedicated to it. I sell them and rarely ever do any theater setup without putting one in to EQ the subs to the room and system.

I will say that Ebay is pretty quick to shut down scams when they are reported. I've done it several times and they usually have them shut down within 24 hours. So...if you see something that just doesn't look right...always report it. Faster people do it, the more discourage the scum of the earth scammers will turn back to sending 400 V / a G ra spam e-mails per day.

Far as I am concerned...no Brain Bucket...no bike, should be the law in all 50 states (or you should be forced to sign a waiver that says the state and public don't have to pay for keeping what is left of your vegetative carcass alive for 40 years). You'd think a professional athlete required to wear lots of safety gear would have the brains to wear the same safety gear while sitting on top of a machine going 60 mile an hour on concrete. Having been thru one accident on a bike (CBR-1000...canyon running...hit a patch of water/sand in a corner) and seeing the HUGE scrape across the front of my full face helmet...I can't even fathom why anybody would even dream of getting on a bike without out a lid.

Question is...does $10K cover just speakers...or everything. If everything, I'd put in an RF-82 based system (three RF-82's in the front, RS-52's on the sides, RB-52 in the rear), a Panasonic LCD projector (PT-AE900), build a front screen wall with a DIY acoustic screen...probably 54" x 96" for your space), 6 theater recliners with a rear platform (prewired for a shaker system up the road), and an acoustic fabric stretch system (100% front wall, 50% side wall coverage), a BFD for your sub and a good solid $1K reciever with a good DVD player (Marantz/Denon). Should run right around $10K...just did a system like this for a client...it was awesome! Allow rack space for an amp upgrade up the road...at least for the three mains. If $10K covers the speakers only...THX Ultra 2 system with twin subs. Sell the SVS to help pay for it, budget for more than just a reciever if you want that system to really sing.

Have you done any acoustic treatment to your room? Acoustics are often the difference between truly great sound and so so sound. I'd do the acoustics before any other element. I'd also look into a BFD (Behringer Feedback Destroyer DSP1124) for your sub...makes quite a difference for dirt cheap. Amp wise, the RF-7's do benefit from horsepower...not that you don't already have a good amp, but you may want to look into more. Best combo I used with them was the big Bryston amps. I'd also second the preamp/processor upgrade...as much for the fact you have more advanced bass management and can cross them over lower with a better pre-pro (they like 40 hz in my experience). Last but not least, if you have the space and want a big sub upgrade (and a big sub), check out the Danley DTS-20 thread on the subwoofer forum.

I'm certainly not trying to push anybody to buy nothing but 28BSST's...I sell the $300 amps and love what they do for me. I'll probably have a stack of Behringer EP-2500's and a stack of Crown XTi amps in the demo theater to show what they can do. I'm totally comfortable recommending them. But when a customer says they have a larger budget and they really want the best sound...then the recommendation will change. I'd guess the vast majority of the big Bryston amps will go to Studios with big budgets and big monitors to drive. Besides Klipsch, I sell the big PMC monitors (in use extensively in the pro world) and they like BIG horsepower. They were developed specifically with Bryston amps and the biggest monitors (the BB-5's are really pushing it with a pair of 7BSST monoblocks), so for a world class reference monitor in a world class studio, that is a totally appropriate product. As for private purchasers, my experience over the past 26 years shows that you might be surprised at what kind of people buy this kind of product. Many are not rich, but they save for things that make them satisfied and many are SERIOUS music lovers. Think about it this way...how many people need a $5,000 plus home theater system? Yet many many people here on this forum have spent at least that if not far more and are perfectly comfortable doing so because they believe it to be a good investment for their discretionary funds. The 28BSST is expensive, but it has capabilities that make it a lifetime investment for many people and a worthwhile tool for recording professionals. Heck, I certainly want the studios to have them...means better recordings and movie soundtracks for us all.

True...it will "bury" most other subs on the planet. Scary part is...this is considered a small version by Danley...they make much larger ones.

Now a front shot. That is a 6' ladder next to it...

Yeah yeah yeah...I know. Here are some pics to keep you placated until I have it all up and going...soon I hope. First picture is what you'd see standing at the base looking up []

Gentleman, keep it civil. Enough with the personal attacks or the forum administrator will be getting an e-mail [:@] As to the Bryston amps, value is always subjective. I sell the Crown amps, the Behringer amps and the Bryston amps. All three have their subjective values and within the price range, do some pretty nice things. A Crown XTi 1000 is one hell of an amp for $699, but unhook it and put a Bryston 4BSST next to it and there is no question which is the superior product in performance run full range. Does that mean I won't sell the Crown to somebody? Nope, I still think it is one heck of an amp and for somebody who doesn't have the budget or is unwilling to part with $3000 for an amp, I am more than happy to sell it to them. If they want a subwoofer only amp, I will probably recommend it to them because it offers even greater damping factor than the Bryston down deep. As a full range amp, it is not as good. The Bryston 28BSST amps are not inexpensive by any means of the word, but for the performance they achieve, the build quality and the reliability, they are arguably a good deal. For your $13000, you get an amplifier that is arguably has as little effect on the sound going thru it (other than to make it much bigger) as any other amp on the market, will drive most any concievable load to volumes beyond what most people will ever need in the home or studio without changing sound, and will likely last you the rest of your life (unlike a vast majority of the ultra high priced high end gear that is inexcuably unreliable). For somebody with the means who is looking for the ultimate in full range performance and an end to the search for one amp that does everything well, they are a good deal. The only issue with them is that they are on backorder, having completely sold out the first production run and most of the second run. The good news is most people will not need this much horsepower and like all Bryston amps, they all have nearly identical levels of transparency...the only differences being the amount of power available to drive difficult loads. This means you can purchase a 3BSST or 4BSST, put it in your system, and with the exception of being able to go as loud or have control over the absolute deepest bass notes, the smaller amps will deliver every bit as much performance as the 28BSST. By the way...for those who have owned Bryston in the past...if you haven't heard the SST series amps, Bryston finally nailed it. I've even had some pretty hardcore tubeophiles try them out and begrudgingly admit that they really liked what they heard.

Yup, tapped horn. Danley apparently has a patent on the design...I believe there is a white paper on their website. Update on the theater...all the side wall acoustics are now up (thanks to David at Northwest Sound Acoustics!). The fabric is going up tomorrow along with the front wall treatment...then the front channel speaker racking and acoustic screen goes in. After that...I promise pics.

XTI's are great sub amps and they sound pretty good on the mains (not Bryston...but not bad either). If anybody is interested in one, PM me. I sell Crown (XTi but not the XLS...there are guys selling XLS lower than my best end column cost).

Got to add...I also think the RF-82 is the highest bang for the buck in the Ref IV line. While the 63 and 83 are better...dollar per dollar that 82 is a magnificent piece of work and Klipsch really outdid themselves. Now...if we could just convince them to make an RC-82...

A good rule of thumb is to use an amp that is rated at double the RMS of the speaker...or 300/ch with the KL-650s. They definitely do benefit from amp headroom and power in my experience. Usually the more power I've run them with, the better they have sounded. Keep in mind, I have put them in some pretty large spaces and I nearly always spec in acoustic treatment (50% side wall coverage, 100 % front screen wall coverage). Treatment should be the FIRST thing you invest in. It will have more impact on the sound of your system than ANY other thing you can do. You might consider doing a fabric stretch system which is a DIY thing and works very well for a very modest amount of money. You *can* get a way with less power, but there is making it work and making it sound as good as possible. With higher power, that system wakes up and really does sound very different versus the setups I've done where the client only had the funds to do smaller powered amps. As for the sub amp, it is a matched system...though I have used bigger amps with the Ultra 2 subs to good effect. Problem is, to do double the RMS on the Ultra 2 subs requires a HUGE amp that is 1000 w/ch into 8 with high damping factor and some big headroom and this means a big money pro touring amp (like a Crown IT4000 which is a MONSTER sub amp with 1250/ch into 8 and 2 kw/ch into 4 plus a built-in parametric section and >5000 damping factor from 20 hz to 100 hz). You'll need a 20 amp dedicated line and a big bank account. Also, with that much power, any EQ'ing needs to be CUT ONLY! Any boosting and you are guananteed to fry some voice coils. The KA-1000 has some serious headroom and is one hell of a bass amp considering the price. I usually recommend you stick with it but put it on a 20 amp line for headroom as it can pretty much drain a 15 amp line at high levels.