Travis In Austin
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22 hours ago, Flevoman said:
If you're correct then it will be around the 6000,- Euros here in Europe.
6k for a sub??... 🙄
Let's wait and see but I hope it will be more affordable
He has no idea what he is talking about, someone posted “any guess as to price” and he felt compelled to respond and guessed.
The group at this event are the only ones who have heard all 4 prototypes. Nothing, absolutely nothing, was discussed in terms of price at the class, so your guess is as good, if not better, as his or anyone else’s.
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Here is a link to the featured Reference Track for the SubFest Bonehead Class.
Roy was in a quandary, he couldn’t find anything music wise that had a true fundamental in the 15 to 16hZ range. What to do?
You call your resident Renaissance Man if you are lucky enough to have one, and KGI/PAC does in fact have one, Matt Sommers.
Link to the two cuts which Matt collectively named “Deep Roy” with a description of the musical keys, and lowest fundamental frequency.
Enjoy on your favorite system/headphones.
If you are wondering why Matt has such a long silent intro on track 2 . . . well I will let those who were there explain it and what the intro does to the listening room couch.
Enjoy, courtesy of a true Renaissance Man (in the highest Quattro cento sense of that moniker)
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What's know so far is here:
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3 hours ago, Smitty8451 said:
Thank you, who would you suggest I contact to request this addition for production models.
@Chief bonehead would be the guy to ask for XLR I/O for plate amp. He will see this at some point.
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On 11/13/2023 at 3:40 PM, JJkizak said:
Sounds like he went to the Trump school of denial, blame flip, and subject change.
JJK
On 11/13/2023 at 4:03 PM, Ceptorman said:Sounds like he went to the Biden School of being a complete moron!
I'm pretty sure he went to Michigan. Same place as Gerald R. Ford.
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36 minutes ago, Bill W. said:
Years ago, PWK published some papers on his measurements of amplitude and frequency modulation distortion in loudspeakers and described the resulting sound characteristics of each type. He also described the effect of increased levels of audible distortion in loudspeakers as having a masking effect, resulting in a loss of clarity. He called it the “Mud Index” and proposed ranking speakers on a scale based on their Modulation Distortion measurements. Speakers with higher levels of M.D. would score worse in the mud index.
As to the new Klipsch subwoofers, There ain’t no mud to be found, even when loud!!!
Clearly, someone has a photographic memory or was taking notes.
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3 hours ago, wuzzzer said:
Decided against.
Been sending thoughts your way. Hope things are turning the way you want.
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Klipsch Museum Store is Open just in time for the Holidays. Shirts, hoodies, mugs, posters.
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38 minutes ago, TheBestEx said:
Pictures would indeed help - I have an unmatched pair of Cornwall CBLS and one of them is not stamped (though fortunately I did have the label); however, I was able to find an employee name rubber stamped inside the cabinet on the lower shelf. Just wish I had the other one - if I did, I would restore them with no spared expense and return them to their original owner.
So one stamped, no label? The other no stamp, but label?
No matter, post a photo of the label, and stamped S/N, take some photos of the backs, showing the drivers and crossovers.
The fact that they are not sequential S/N’s doesn’t have that much significance. If the components match, and in good shape, you will want to restore and enjoy for yourself.
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So what I want to know is: Is Intermodulation Distortion (IMD) a thing?
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1 hour ago, haydukej said:
Is the XL is actually a different beast/construction than the LF bin on the Heritage Jubilee? Spec sheet for LFHJ says it's 5 inches wider and goes 18hz, while the new heritage sub is smaller? and goes lower. Noting the heritage sub dimensions are estimated here. Would the lower response be due to different drivers and/or DSP or both?
There is probably only one man on the planet @Chief bonehead who can answer that question accurately.
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So do I have this right, no evidence, zero, that Head Coach of Michigan was aware of or had any involvement in sign-stealing scandal. However, because he is "the face" of the program they are going to keep him off the field on game days going into the biggest game of the season.
This demands a Senate Investigation, (Gary Peters is on Commerce I think, it's their jurisdiction).
Is he allowed to Zoom? Or does that go against the spirit of this whole thing? Maybe put him in the mascot suit and have the Mascot hanging around behind the bench a whole lot.
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Here is a link to the Klipsch Support Page Re: Heritage Crossover updates, repairs, etc.
https://support.klipsch.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036957831
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2 hours ago, JohnA said:
Roy used a Tool (!!??!! 😱) track in the demo. It was complex, crowded and toolish. All of the subs did a fine job of separating plucks, kicks, thumps and whacks. The system really stood out when the La Scalas slid in as all the bass was horn loaded. They do not sound like subwoofers, none of them. You can almost always tell there is a DR subwoofer in a system by "that sound" what ever it is.
These guys have balls!
Clearly analog then, at least if Ray was right.
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My gosh, the backyard area and stage look like a whole new property. And the stage has corners.
Guess will be pissing off the neighbors on a regular basis (Clinton Birthplace Home National Historic Site, run by the National Park Service (do they still carry guns?).
Travis
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8 minutes ago, Bill W. said:
John covered this very well I think, including the rationale of sensitivity match with the mains in a system. Describing the performance as impressive doesn’t begin to cover these!
Do they come in marine-grade plywood?
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29 minutes ago, JohnA said:
Travis, I hope you've recovered. We missed you. Actually they called them Small, Medium, Large and XL, aka "big boy" by Jesse, on the graphs.
Thank YOU!
I'm on the mend, terribly disappointed I missed it, and Roy's BBQ/fajitas. Mostly was looking forward to seeing people face to face I hadn't seen in a while.
I'm really glad you got to make it and enjoyed it. Looking forward to hearing more about it in here, and seeing what we can see, even if it is Roy flipping meats that were soaked in his secret marinade.
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Here is @Smitty8451 original question, that's appropriate here, @JohnA gave his impression (above), anyone else who went to this shindig has any thoughts? I know @mark1101 will have some thoughts and for sure Bill H as well.
To the folks who attended the sub fest, I have a couple of questions, I’m not sure if there was an NDA for the event but it’s not a matter of if, but when I will be purchasing one if not two of these new subs, so here goes;
1: What size is recommended for the La Scala AL5
2: Are these going to be powered, and if not how will the crossover I am assuming that will be included connect.
3: if a separate amp is required, what power is recommended.
i currently run 3 La Scala’s F/C/R and Forte IV’s for surrounds, but usually I just do stereo listning. I do not plan on using these new subs for movie watching (I have Rythmik subs for that) the subs will strictly be used for stereo.
thank you in advance
(we’re do I sign up for pre-order, yeah I’m that ready)
Travis
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8 hours ago, Smitty8451 said:
To the folks who attended the sub fest, I have a couple of questions, I’m not sure if there was an NDA for the event but it’s not a matter of if, but when I will be purchasing one if not two of these new subs, so here goes;
1: What size is recommended for the La Scala AL5
2: Are these going to be powered, and if not how will the crossover I am assuming that will be included connect.
3: if a separate amp is required, what power is recommended.
i currently run 3 La Scala’s F/C/R and Forte IV’s for surrounds, but usually I just do stereo listning. I do not plan on using these new subs for movie watching (I have Rythmik subs for that) the subs will strictly be used for stereo.
thank you in advance
(we’re do I sign up for pre-order, yeah I’m that ready)
@Smitty8451 I moved it over to it's own special thread for attendees to post photos, they are allowed to, etc.
You are in luck, part of the class, a great deal I am told, was dedicated to comparing at least the 2 largest size Heritage Subs to a par of La Scalas. I'm sure you will be getting more and more feedback on your excellent questions.
Travis
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Here is the tread for attendees to post photos they are allowed to, provide impressions, what they learned, answer questions, etc.
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10 minutes ago, OO1 said:
Also respectfully the question by @Smitty8451 was which sub ? is for the Lascala , well here it is ! , the 2nd picture even has a binding post with the script logo Lascala .
Again Randy, that ain't it. I tried. They listened to La Scalas (special secret ones that they can't tell you about) with the largest and the second largest. Mr. JohnA was there, he saw all four of them, he listend to all four of them, the largest two with LS. You don't know what you are talking about and the information you are putting is based on information that's months old.
This is one of those situations where you might want to be asking questions or seeking clarification rather than spouting facts that are based on assumptions.
I have started a thread for those who attended the event to post their impressions and photos (what they were allowed to take).
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1 hour ago, billybob said:
There is an XL...
Four sizes, @billybob, as advertised. From what I understand you are correct. They don't even have names yet. I believe at the class they were referred to (smallest to largest) as 1, 2, 3 and 4. (I could have that backasswards). I have yet to hear someone call them "sm, med. lg, and xl" and I think that was intentional as none of them are "small"
They are horn-loaded so they can't be "small" 24 x 24 x24" for example because it defeats the purpose of horn-loaded bass, which is ultra-low (non-existent) FMD and IMD). PWK's life's work, and what earned him an AES Silver Medal wasn't just low "distortion" it was the study of IMD/FMD on the subjective evaluation and preference of loudspeakers. Beers identified it in the 40's, PWK, like all things he dove into, figured out a way to better measure it, isolate it, and minimize it.
I believe it's a matter of physics, these guys can talk about it more, the way to smush it down to nothing, per PWK, is to keep that cone from flapping so much.
They learned all of this is in the class and I'm sure that will be reporting on this further.
I'm hoping we can do a repeat, mini version of this class in March in conjunction with the PWK BDay Bash.
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2023 Subfest (A Bonehead Class) Reports, Photos, Etc.
in Klipsch Museum: News & Announcements
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To a degree they will have to be competitive with other top performing subs. But what else is out there that is horn-loaded? in veneers that match Heritage main speaker veneers? Ultra low IMD?
There might be some stuff that’s close, but all four are patented so technically nothing is going to be precisely in the ball park in terms of design and performance is there? (I really don’t know, but am guessing based on people who got the 1802 and the limited run of 1502’s, that there isn’t a lot out there in the horn-loaded bass dept, with that footprint.
However, I missed the class (and no one will let me copy their notes) so I don’t know.
We will know more next Spring/Summer. If you are visiting Hope at that time, pop into your local Klipsch Heritage Dealer and see if they have an update