Travis In Austin

I have, I have it. For his patent he had to distinguish his invention from the Khorn, that is how patents work. He invented an improvement, as claimed in his patent, of a corner horn. His first one rolled off at 10 Khz if memory served. But you raise an even better point. It is one thing to obtain a patent. It is quite another to be able to successfully patent and put a product into production that is viable and profitable. The Hartsfield was d/c about '64, about the time the AR would start dominating the market even though they had a patent. JBL branched out intot that technology/design PWK stayed the course. Likewise, the Jubilee bassbin is nothing like the Hartsfield. It would be interesting to know what PMK's reaction was to the Hartsfield.

Original ideas are so important to this Country that the Founding Fathers put patents in the Constitution and exclusively under Federal jurisdiction. But the patent system also makes it so you cannot sit on them. RCA, Ampes, Land/Poloriod are extinct. You inovate or die. Edison didn't event the lightbulb, he perfected it and bought up the other light bulb patents. I know you were being facetious about letters, it would take a lot of letters. I think it is admirable that you respect other's ideas. You are the Jonas Saulk of audio. For a lot of people it is dog eat dog.

I am going to have to dig out that lp and master tape he sent me amd give them a spin. God's Speed Maron.

That was a moniker I gave him but not his username. You should have trademarked it.

"Anyways, so when is it "stealing" and when is it harmless imitation. Should we now also send thank you letters to JBL for the swamping resistors we've been using?" It is stealing if it has IP protection, in the case of "any process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or improvement thereof" that protection is a patent. If an XO isn't patented then it isn't stealing if you copy it, If it is patented then it would be a form of stealing if you copy it which is called patent infringement. The length of a patent, now, is 20 years. Stealing a name involves copyright protection. I am not aware how a XO design, if it is not patented, is protected in any way. I am not an IP attorney, and William McD and Jeff know much more about this than I do, I don't know of anything that prevents any of you from copying each other's designs to your heart's content. Ethics would play into whether people who share information and work on things together from proceeding to build something without permission. That is a moral question, and it is answered by the economic system you happen to reside in. In a capitalist system, if it isn't protected, you are free to try and build something better, faster, more efficient and/or cheaper, and it isn't stealing. The sending of a thank you letter is absurd. The key to making an unprotected design, like an XO isn't the design you use, it is price, quality and customer service. If a customer says "I really like the sound of X, (wait, better use Y), and he wants this much, what can you do?" The response should be "I think I have something better, but if you insist on that, my build cost would be less/more/about the same, but I can have it for you quicker, or I can do it cheaper, or I can put in better quality parts" or whatever it might be.

"Bill Hartsfield was an employee of the U.S. Bureau of Standards in Washington D.C. He had belonged to the same chapter of the AES as Ray Pepe, JBL's Vice President of Marketing when Pepe had lived on the eastern seaboard. Ray was aware of Hartsfield's work in building his own home variant of the Klipschorn as a personal avocation. It was a natural fit that Bill Hartsfield would be called upon to develop JBL's version of a corner horn. He was hired on retainer as a consultant to JBL to develop a corner horn speaker.The design of the Hartsfield was not terribly innovative. Instead, it was an example of refining a proven concept with an uncompromised approach to design and build quality. (Nonetheless, the Hartsfield design was considered unique enough that a patent was issued in 1957)." I think it was the other way around, JBL/Hartsfield would have had to have referenced the KHorn and shown the uniqueness of the design, I think they did that, in part, by the drivers they used. The Jubilee, I suspect, could have easily have been patented as an improvement of PWK's prior art loudspeaker (Khorn) if he had so desired.

Really? Well I guess if you like being on their radar, then I guess it does.

I thought you posted something about Danley using an active digital crossover recently?

It won't, it finally imploded this time.

You should patent that. Some day I am going to read about some surgical instrument you invented. I hope you name your first one the Cullison-Funk _____. Then, over time, you will here things in ORs like, "pickups, sponge, FUNK."

You don't really want to be doing that, because I will be posting all of the ten year old threads from AK where he had a melt down over there. Like I said in my first post in this thread, because I knew where it was probably going, the internet is a very unforgiving medium. It is permanent unless the owner of the posts decides to delete it. Lee, here is a hint. It is not JW, it is not Dean. It is not Klipsch.

Would sure love to know one day.

He was never banned EDIT in 2006.. He "resigned." It wasn't about Greg Roberts. It was about Trey Cannon and Roy. EDIT: Apparently he is banned now so he can stay true to his web page and NEVER be tempted to post in another audio forum again, where the blind lead the blind. Which is Biblical don't you know.

Lee, The smiley faces don't work. You were more arrogant and insulting in this thread than Al was, even worse you are his tool. Which is a shame given the length of time you have been on here and the knowledge you have shared on here previous to this, without being arrogant or abusive. Especially in the area of reel to reel. I don't understand the connection, or know the backstory between you, Dean, John and Al, nor do I want to know. But it is pretty clear there is something going on there. Dean wasn't posting 10 year old posts for the technical data in them. He was posting it, I believe, to show that Al is still the same arrogant and abusive person he has always been and he suffers meltdowns. There are threads from AK from 06, 07.with the same thing involving AK. I quoted his own website where he boasts about being banned from three forums, and my understanding is it is actually more. It has been the same thing "no one understands me." Maybe he "just wasn't meant for these times." He was never banned from the Klipsch forums as he states, and when he left it wasn't over Greg Roberts. He is a Klipsch basher. pure and simple. Now he is gone, again. So I guess the question you probably need to be asking yourself is "am I on their radar?" Yes, you most certainly are. Do you care? Time will tell.. Will you continue to defend Al 's behavior and actions or act as his conduit/proxy? That is of course up to you. I would say that you are probably going to need a serous attitude adjustment if you are planning on continuing that for any significant length of time.

Ok, well I will see if I can help him with a listen, it may turn out he is up in your area and can accomplish that easier, as mine are in San Antonio. But like I said, I will help him in anyway I can.

Thank you for the audition offer. Though you also completely crushed my day with that last sentence. Oh come on, that happens to everybody on everything. Ever seen the movie Endless Summer, yes the surf movie, where they go all over the world surfing and they hit spot after spot with little to no waves and someone always tells them "you should have been here last week, it was incredible." It just means that there may be a different and better opportunity right around the corner. I sent you a PM back. Travis

Sorry to hear about your wife passing.

I am surprised but it looks like you are the first one to figure that out ! What area are you in? Are you in San Antonio? I am sorry I can't remember. If you are further away, I can help Diamond with a listen to mine and y'all can take it from there. My have sold two pairs already, and counting

So Roy does have the settings? It is straight forward tor YOU because you are an engineer, and your wife is a classically trained musician/singer IIRC, and you are involved in the arts in the Metroplex and know how this stuff is supposed to sound. It is not so straight forward for me. I prefer to have the guy who designed and engineered all of this to give me his settings, and then add salt and pepper to taste. If I got TADs I would be getting your settings and Roy's settings and play around with what I liked. YOU know what you are doing, Roy knows what he is doing, and there are others as well, but there are a lot more who THINK they know what they are doing. That is why I asked if Roy has done settings. If he hasn't then it would be important to know whose settings they are. Last time I was in Hope with Roy he brought over and was setting up the new KI whatever they were that Klipsch got for Rodney. They were sounding awesome, he was up there with Mike and Luther. Several people were sitting in the sweet spot listening to them and were quite impressed with the sound. The reaction from everyone was a two thumbs up. A lot of very experienced Klipsch listeners out there were very impressed. Comments like ?Those are great, awesome, I can't believe the sound those things are putting out" Roy is looking out and seeing the reaction and making some adjustments to the mixer equalizer he had them running through. He steps off the stage and goes back to the listening area stands for less then a second and says "kill it." Someone shut it off and then he says check those cables, one of those speakers is out of phase and has been connected incorrectly. Sure enough, it was. He does this stuff every day, in movie theaters, baseball stadiums, drag strips, auditoriums and on and on. He knows what the stuff he designed and engineered is supposed to sound like, and he knows in an instant if it is off in any direction. What is ever scarier, is I have seen him do it with both music and pink noise. But Diamond might be an EE from UT for all I know, with access to their chamber, which is pretty big, and very quiet, and can do all of the eq stuff, or have other training and experience that would make it easy for him to do. If Bob sells those drivers he would of course be a fountain of knowledge as well on where the settings should be I would think.

My first guitar amplifier was this little portable thing from JCPenney/Sears. I honestly think it was better at producing feedback and picking up rouge radio signals than it was at actually amplifying my guitar... I feel pretty comfortable saying it was nearly "unlistenable" on many many levels but I still have a hard time speaking too poorly of it. It's not the opinion I have an an issue with, it the broad sweeping generality. I do understand that he does not prefer the elliptic filter or even for that matter the K77/T35 but I feel like he could have made his comment a bit more constructive? I did find the old thread he quoted above, in which he and ALK discussed this at some length and made his point understood a bit better than he did here... https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/173-should-i-clip-the-elliptic-filter-maybe-not/ I also found a few associated thread that others may or may not find useful if are considering what I proposed or maybe something like it? https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/53317-alk-what-is-an-eliptical-filter/ https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/33247-more-extended-highs-for-aa-network/ This probably isn't the best time to be mentioning ALK around here. You are much better off doing as you have been and coming up with your own ideas. I like the fact that you came up with something, tried it, liked it, and were willing to share it with everyone to try out on their own. Did you build an entire new network with the mods you mentioned, or just mod your originals?

Well it looks like Davis419b sent you a PM, you may be well on your way. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help, or if you want to try and take a listen.

I really don't recommend going to a dealer: call American Cinema Equipment (Cinequip), ask for Spencer Chao. Ask for the following Jubilee version: K-402/K-69-A top, KPT-KHJ-LF bass bin --with birch plywood veneer front, if you wish. This is two-way version that Roy endorses. You could also ask for compression driver options: I'd go with something like a BMS 4592ND or a Faital Pro HF 200 series driver (your choice) compression driver, if they offer it. But that's just me. You need a crossover. I'd recommend a Xilica XP2060 or a used Yamaha SP2060. Then buyer's remorse is averted from the outset. You'd be set. Chris I don't believe you can get them without K-69s They come direct from Klipsch with the drivers attached. It used to be that you could not purchase the 402s without the drivers, but this may have changed. Has Roy provided settings for the BMS 4592ND or a Faital Pro HF 200 series drivers? If not, I wouldn't go that route because I am more of a plug and play guy and he spent a lot of time on those K69 and TAD settings.

I think you are on the right path trying to audition the folded horn bass bin of the Jubes with a direct radiator of the KPT 942. My preference is the folded horn because it is so clean. It is going to come down to your personal preference as to how you like your bass.

I'm in Austin, PM me and I can probably arrange an audition of Jubes for you. You just missed out on a pair in Buda that had the TAD drivers on the 402 horns that Jmon got the deal of the century on.

No but can I have the supermodel for a little while ? Can I have the Tandberg?