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I upgraded my 6SL7's and I am about to upgrade my 6SN7's. I took advice from members of this forum and George Wright and went with Sylvania Chrome top 6SL7wgtb's. The bass was much improved after putting these in my amps. I plan on buying similar 6SN7's as well for my wright pre. I think I am going to get Bob to upgrade my crossovers next and then get the new 6SN7 tubes later....hmm Need more money for this money pit of a hobby : )

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1121474724 Allied Radio Knight PP 2A3 or make PP 45 Military looks to be built like a tank it says mono yet it powered a pair of speakers? No comprende. If someone needs an amp for a mono system $199obo might even be worth it in parts and tubes but I ain't no pro. Looks cool though..... reminded me a little of moth audio gear

I found this document a taste of tubes that really helped explain things for me. I posted it once here http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=58675&forumID=68&catID=19&search=1&searchstring=&sessionID={363BC883-E2DB-43A3-BD37-F28B4257F242} http://home.comcast.net/~enghenry/diy/taste.pdf I tested the link it may take a minute to load the document though. Good luck Seti

It looks like it would fit in in a church but not my house.

Damm think I'll paint my Belles... Do Belles come in black? I hopefully get to snag some Heresy with cane grills next week for 300 : )

---------------- On 5/16/2005 9:26:40 AM spaaaz wrote: Oh no! dont you dare say that cords make a difference.they will tear you apart ---------------- Oh crap I forgot that was one of the flame bait topics. Please I was only curious and not wanting to cause a riot this time. I like to try things out for myself regardless of what other people say. Just think if I had been a newbie and hanging out on a bose forum and only listened to other peoples opinions and not the speakers I could have ended up with bose and solid state. I haven't said I heard a difference because I haven't however the argument that I could tell a difference in image quality with different cables would prove not all cables are created equal. That being said I haven't proven anything it could very well have been that the monitor resorted to default settings.

---------------- On 5/16/2005 7:46:47 AM InFlux wrote: No, but when I moved my monitor here at work I had to unplug it. In that process, the monitor reverted back to the factor settings for contrast/brightness. Any chance your monitor changed settings when you changed power cables? Just a thought... ---------------- Ahhhh hadn't thought of that good call yes absolutely that could have happened. I tried unplugging another monitor and plugging it back in but that didn't change anything however they are both very different monitor. I wish I had those cords with me so I can try again.

I have a friend that works in a hospital and when they are getting rid of medical equipment he saved the power cords. He finally has all the power cords he wants and gave me a few but I told him I didn't think it would make any difference to the sound and the jury is still out on that one for me. He said if I didn't think that power cords made any difference that I should hook them up to a computer monitor and see if I notice a difference in the picture quality. I tried this and I had to admit the picture looked better with the medical grade power cords. Just for the sake of argument I am going to have a friend swap power cables without telling me which is which but I doubt I'll notice. I must admit I was very suprised that power cords made a difference in picture quality in fact had I read this on the internet I would have used PWK phrase BS. Has anyone else tried this?

I met someone with a pair of 1976 Heresy's that they are parting with because they are getting all new klipsch inwalls. He said they are decorator with cain grills. He said the magic words "fair price" lol hope to see them soon. Was 76 a good year for them? I mentioned the cane grills to a friend and he said something about grills adversly affecting the sound. That doesn't sound right to me anything to the theory of grills affecting sound?

When was the last time stereophile had anything good to say about the klipsc heritage line? ewps my multiple personality disorder is spilling over into my post but at least they are consistant

When was the last time stereophile had anything good to say about the klipsc heritage line?

Then you have tried both? I was hoping to find someone familiar with it. I was think of cost/performance as you you don't have to pay for the OS and a kernel can be compiled to a small custom size which increases performance so you don't need as much machine to run it with. I don't have a home theatre yet but I just thought this was rather interesting. I am building a linux wireless open source security system for my house so after that perhaps I'll work on the HT.

Well these work as jewelry of sorts gotta hand it to Bottlehead for their marketing skills.

Long read... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1814924,00.asp Build Your Own Linux Home Theater PC Linux is one of the most remarkable phenomena in the recent history of personal computing. In some ways, it's similar to the original homebrew PC movement of the late 1970s and early 80s. Equal parts cool kids club and grass roots revolution, Linux in its many different forms has proven itself a force to be reckoned with. A highly configurable OS that can both scale up to big enterprise iron and down to handheld devices, Linux can do almost anything. It even powers the most well-known PVR on the planet, TiVo. Now that we've heaped that glowing praise on this modern computing wonder, we have to throw a rock or two at it. A number of distributions like Xandros, Linspire, and Lycoris have made very big strides toward making Linux easy to install and use by less technical users who just want to get their stuff done, and not twiddle with source code, .conf files, and kernel modules. Linux has also made some good strides toward being an interesting alternative to Windows Media Center Edition (MCE). But obstacles remain--lots of them. So, before you embark on trying to build a Linux-based Home Theater PC (HTPC), you have to ask yourself a question: "How much time do I have to dedicate to bringing up a Linux-based HTPC?" If the answer is "not much," then a Linux-based HTPC is probably not something you should build. Assembling the hardware is pretty easy, and the physical assembly process takes a half-hour to 45 minutes. Installing the OS can be a very straightforward affair as well. But installing extra drivers as well as installing and configuring a PVR media application (and its required packages) are not trivial tasks, and the road ahead is laced with hidden potholes. To paraphrase one forum quote seen during the research phase of this piece: "Buy the beer first, this ain't gonna be easy." But there is some good news here too. Getting a Linux-based HTPC has probably never been easier, though that is admittedly damning with faint praise. So here then is the tale of our ongoing adventure toward building a Linux-based HTPC. In fairness, we should say that an HTPC has to cover a lot of bases--and cover them well. These include: * Store music, home movies, recorded TV shows, digital photos * Play back all these media seamlessly * Support a wide variety of audio and video codecs * Play back DVD movies, and look as good as or better than a DVD player * Support the playback of DRM-encoded purchased/rented movies and music * Serve this media up to other client machines on the home network * Have a simple GUI that any family member can use * Be rock-solid stable 24/7 * Go in and out of sleep states with no difficulty * Run quietly enough so that its fan noise doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of the content it's serving up * Be able to handle HD music and movie formats, both present and future, with minimal upgrades (okay, maybe we're reaching a bit on this one) When you stop and think about it, that's an awful lot of functionality for just one machine, but a good HTPC should do all these things with minimal muss and fuss. Off the bat, a Linux-based HTPC won't be able to easily (or legally) play DRM-encoded content, which isn't to say you can't do it. The issue of coming in and out of sleep states points to a bigger issue: Should a PC be in your component rack at all? We think so, simply because no consumer electronics (CE) device can come close to the PC's versatility and configurability. Most of the CE industry's attempts at more powerful devices have been pretty disappointing to date, not to mention very expensive and not very flexible. DVD playback is a thorny issue, mostly because of the legalities revolving around DeCSS and the use of libraries that embed the questionable cracked Xing decoder key. So we'll avoid the question in general, but there are good Linux-based software DVD players out there. For more information, check out Jon Kent's mini-roundup of Linux DVD players at Linux Journal. Windows MCE has evolved quite well towards covering these bases, and it includes a remote control specifically designed to drive its UI. But if your goal is a Microsoft-free home, then this is the option of last resort. That said, it's not an option you should rule out. As we stated in Part 3 of this series, we at ExtremeTech are more pragmatists than ideologues. We like Linux just fine. But we're more of the "right tool for the job" school of thought, and despite the heat we knew we'd take for the position, we stated that for gaming you should dual-boot a system between Windows XP and Linux for the optimal gaming experience. Given the repeated difficulty we've had trying to build a Linux-based HTPC, we've reached the conclusion that a Linux-based HTPC can be a fun project, but don't enter into this endeavor some morning thinking you'll have a glitch-free HTPC by day's end. You're likely in for is a lot of tweaking, twiddling, some frustration, a few choice expletives, and if you're persistent enough, a working HTPC. The Candidate Applications and Components List At present, there are really only two media front-ends to consider for a Linux-based HTPC: MythTV and Freevo. Each has its own upsides and downsides, and each requires pretty attentive care and feeding to get working. MythTV is the more integrated of these two packages, and our research for this story showed that Linux users have gotten it running on a number of different distros, including SuSE 9.2 and Red Hat Fedora Core 3. We've been following with some interest a project/distro called KnoppMyth, which takes the Knoppix distro, and integrates MythTV into it. So when you install KnoppMyth, you get both an OS and the MythTV PVR package with all of its dependencies already taken care of. MythTV relies on the open-source MySQL database for its electronic program guide (EPG) listings, and we've had trouble in the past getting MySQL happily running and MythTV able to talk to it. But to KnoppMyth's credit, we were able (with some hacking and hewing) to get a Linux-based PVR most of the way up and running. Before we fired up the install disc, there was the small matter of choosing our components. When dealing with Linux and multimedia, go with established hardware with good driver support. There are certain hardware devices that have much better support for Linux, largely coming from community driver development. For instance, full driver support for recent vintage All-in-Wonder cards is a hit-or-miss affair, and because all but the most recent ATI TV tuner cards lack a hardware MPEG-2 encoder, these are probably best avoided as well. What does Linux like? Hauppauge's PVR-250 and PVR-350 cards are supported through the IVTV driver stack, which is rolled into the latest drop of KnoppMyth. For audio, we used a Sound Blaster Audigy 2, though most any Sound Blaster will work for this application. Here's the load-out for our Linux PVR system: Component Price CPU Pentium 4 540 (3.2GHz) $200 Memory 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM $50 Motherboard Intel D915PYSL $105 Case Silverstone Lascala SST-LC13-B $100 Graphics Card MSI NX6200TC-TD64E Geforce 6200, (64 MB) $80 TV Tuner Card Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250 $135 Sound Card Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value $55 Hard Drive Western Digital WD2500JD 250GB S-ATA $135 Optical Drive Lite On show-1213-S DVD+/-R/RW $65 Keyboard/Mouse Logitech Cordless MX Duo $65 Remote Control StreamZap USB Remote $30 TOTAL $1,020 We've found that Nvidia has historically had better graphics drivers for Linux, and while ATI has made some strides in this area, we're going to stick with Nvidia for now. Because the emphasis here is video and not 3D, we were able to go with the more modest GeForce 6200 GPU with a 64MB frame-buffer. There are some other places you can get away with less hardware if you really want to shave your costs down. For starters, you could get a lower-clocked CPU like the Pentium 4 505 (2.66GHz clock), which goes for around $60 less than the 540 we've spec'ed here. However, those extra clock cycles will come in handy when you go to transcode media on this system. You could also repurpose any mouse and keyboard you happen to have lying around, which lowers the price another $65. And the remote control, while very handy, isn't essential for driving the MythTV UI. The Installation/Configuration KnoppMyth's documentation states that if your hardware is Linux-compatible, you may not need to install drivers, and as advertised, the hardware we used required no additional driver installations. That said, we couldn't get our USB-based StreamZap remote working, which is supposedly supported under LIRC (Linux Infrared Remote Control). The base installation process involves all of five steps, where you choose the type of installation you want, enter your username and password, the root password, and confirm that you want to blow away whatever's currently on the hard-disk. After that, the rest of the installation goes along unattended until KnoppMyth is ready to reboot. You then run the myth-tv setup application, which ultimately puts you into this screen: Now, before you proceed, we suggest using another machine and go to the Zap2It site to set yourself up an account for obtaining XMLTV electronic program guide (EPG) information for free. This is a little tricky, in that you need a Certificate Code. Apparently, projects like MythTV have Certificate Codes, and after a quick Google search we found one that worked. To save you that trouble, it's ZIYN-DQZO-SBUT. From here, you need to define your video capture card in the Capture Cards section. Since we're using a Hauppauge PVR-250 TV tuner card, you select "MPEG-2 card (PVR-250/350)" from the drop-down list. You also select the default input (TV tuner, S-Video input, composite input). This is obviously important, since you may be feeding a cable/satellite set-top box's output into the Hauppauge card's input. Next, you need to go into the Video Sources section to create and configure your feed. This config includes getting EPG data from DataDirect (zap2it), as well as whether your incoming feed is broadcast or cable and which country you want EPG data for. When you've finished, just hit Esc and you'll exit from this application. Next, the MythTV configurator incorporates your settings and starts both the MythTV back end as well as the front end. Though we didn't have time to explore it, you can run a MythTV back end on one system, and access it over your home network using the MythTV front end on another box. Up and Running...Mostly After our installation, here's what we had working (and not working): What works: * Ripping CDs and playing music * Playing back video and watching TV * Walking the EPG grid and setting up TV show recording * Getting the latest weather using the built-in weather module * Navigating through the media library and playing music and videos and viewing digital pictures. What doesn't work: * Commercial, encrypted DVDs won't play unless you load the libraries that enable playback of encrypted content. * We couldn't bring up the color, brightness, or contrast adjustments for playback during TV viewing. We could adjust these settings for recording, but these are independent of the playback settings. * StreamZap remote didn't work. (It seemed we needed to tweak the LIRC config file to specify this particular remote control.) * DRM-protected content won't play on this system (this will require quite a bit of futzing to "enable," and this functionality will in all likelihood be technically illegal). Getting to this point was actually not too painful. KnoppMyth is a Debian-based distro, built around the Sid code base. It includes the Synaptic package manager that makes installing additional applications very easy, although entries for the newly installed apps aren't created in the desktop menu. We wound up installing the Firefox web browser and the gedit Gnome-based text editor for twiddling .conf files. But we had to launch them from a command line. KnoppMyth's GUI, outside of the MythTV interface, consists of a single set of menus invoked by right-clicking on the desktop. Final Thoughts/What to Build At the end of the day, building a Linux HTPC is much more of a software than a hardware exercise. The real devilish details lie in getting KnoppMyth to fire on all cylinders. However, to its credit, the KnoppMyth team has clearly logged some long hours getting this distro whipped into shape, though some rough edges do remain. Among his many insights, Ghandi once said "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." In a similar vein, the Linux community generally believes that if you don't like something about Linux, fix it/build it/add it yourself. To that end, if we had the time, our own MythTV-focused distro that we'd call ExtremeMyth would have the following additions: * A MythTV specific menu in the main desktop menu with complete documentation in a GUI-based app (not a man-based text help file) * A graphical LIRC configuration tool to choose which remote you're using * A more intuitive video "routing" configuration screen, including an easy way to switch the video output in use * A GUI-based audio mixer * A utility (kind of like Synaptic) to show which audio/video codecs are (and aren't) installed * Firefox and Gedit included, though these are easily obtained via KnoppMyth using the included Synaptic package management tool. * About every six months or so, we'd also spec out a known good hardware configuration, that if built, would bring up ExtremeMyth with near-zero configuration twiddling. And so ends our four-part Microsoft-free odyssey. If you wish to make your computing life a Windows-less one, it's very doable, and you will have very able systems on your home network. But as we pointed out in Part 1, a Microsoft-free existence is not without its downsides. In particular, Windows is still really where the PC gaming action is. Applications like Cedega do allow you run a number of Windows games under Linux, but we still recommend having one dual-boot machine on your home network for gaming. You also give up content subscription services that use DRM-encrypted Windows Media formats. If you don't use these services, then there's no real loss here. Pointer Graphic for FingerlinksClick here to read more Linux articles. In the final analysis, it comes down to choice, and you should use the platform you want to use. If you want to run an Apple-based home, then get your Mac on and be happy. If Linux is your bag, then load your favorite distro on your home's systems and may the source be with you. But, it may be the case that you actually (*gasp*) like Windows, and have decided that it is your platform of choice. And as far as we're concerned, all three are perfectly valid options. The choice is yours.

---------------- On 5/13/2005 2:57:38 PM fini wrote: So, in essence, you're saying it would be smarter to buy your wife some audio gear for your anniversary, than diamonds, right? ---------------- Yes I think that is what he is saying but let me know how that goes for you

That certainly helps explain alot. I can't remember the tube or the amp brand name but there was a funky looking tube amp in some hifi mag that was 125,000 now I am curious about the parts price list. Since I don't have gobs of money I do look for good value like used items on AG, Wright gear, or even some of the gear made and sold by members of this forum. I wish I new enough about the parts and the business as it would be interesting to examine some of these compamies more closely.

Just looking at some gear you can tell if the build quality is justified or not. If you look at some of those turntables that come with their own tables or josh stipich electronluv amps or the new canary audio 80wpc mono 300b amps http://www.canaryaudio.com/Ref-One.htm or the Cary Audio 1610-SE you expect a high price tag but I was thinking of those items in the hifi world that look relatively simply yet still command high prices. I see some products out there and they remind me of the $5k speaker cables gimmie a break. Of course if money were no object I'd have it all but it is

The Clinton Presidential Library just moved into my neighborhood and it is an incredible structure too cool.

Thanks at least I wasn't the only one wondering what warranted the price. I wasn't accusing Lamm or Wavelength of price gouging I was truly curious as to what warranted spending $10k plus on amps. If they spend a majority of the price on parts and design thats fine but I doubt everyone does that. Hmm high overhead high price sometimes. I have been wanting to do an experiment you know come up with a cheap to make audiophile gadget and price it in the stratosphere just to see if anyone would pay. My theory is if you price it they will pay and probably thank you for it lol...

I know there are alot of people here that build there own amps and recondition amps so I have a question just out of curiosity. What makes an amp truly worth alot of money say 8$K or more just to pick a figure? I can understand the electronluv.com gear selling for so much because it is very original and are sculptures as well as amplifiers but what about the high dollar amps what makes them worth so much? Parts? Labor? Snakeoil?. The www.wavelengthaudio.com/pr_info.html wavelength or Lamm gear look super simple and small but what maked an amp like that worth over $10K? Could the parts possibly cost that much? Dipped in gold? Blessed by the pope? Owning some of the more esoteric gear is out of the question for me but for those of you with more exposure to "sterophile" priced gear what is your opinion?

Remember the samsonite commercial with chimps jumping up and down on the luggage Thats what I always think of when I get damaged goods so far the last three pieces of equipment I have received from UPS have been damaged. Codhead, I wish everyone packed equipment like the monoblocks/tubes you shipped me! They were packed so well you could have bounced them and they would have just boundced lol.

---------------- On 5/10/2005 3:47:43 PM fini wrote: ---------------- On 5/10/2005 10:30:34 AM charlieboy wrote: Unfourtanatly my wife does not really care to much about my audio passion. I've tried and she'll say yeah it sounds good and then walks away. Oh well at least she does'nt try to stop me from doing my thing. I thank her for that. ---------------- I know what you mean. My wife would just as soon have "invisible" Bose cubes, or in-walls, than the mighty Klipschorns. She is tolerant of me though, which says a lot... ---------------- My current GF loves to listen to my Belles should could drink dance and listen all night. I changed some 6SL7 tubes a while back and she asked what I did to make it sound better. There are also moments when musical taste clash lol for instance I wanted to listen to the clash and she wanted to listen to Duran Dura

---------------- On 5/10/2005 2:49:49 PM CaptnBob wrote: My Shorthorns have consecutive serial numbers (1000 and 1001) and had mismatched components. They don't seem especially bass shy to me, unless you are really getting into heavy pipe organ or something. ---------------- That is good news what amp are you running them with if had a pair I would try to keep them as original as possible. I didn't like the blonde pair as much as I like the walnut pair I saw posted here. Hell I wouldn't even mind a mono system for the bedroom.

I found a long narrow felt strip like material at home depot. I just lined the bottom of my Belles with that and they slide around very easily.

---------------- On 5/10/2005 12:20:34 AM fini wrote: " eBay experienced a power outage at a principal hosting facility in the Bay Area. Some eBay functions and listings are now available, and we are working to fully restore the rest of the site. We will keep you updated on progress, and we appreciate your patience." ---------------- I would have though they would have big time backup power systems. I quess when you have people involved errors happen : ) once saw a guy turn off power and backup power to a server room with two mainframes and 300 servers. In retrospect it was a little funny especially the meek little uh oh he uttered afterwards. lol idiot.