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As a last resort idea, take a wire and run it from a chassis screw that is not painted over to a ground, like a water pipe. That sometimes kills off the hiss when nothing else seems to do it. Also, if the tuner is shot, it may be causing some issues. After you get it fixed, you might find you have no problems. Good Luck!

That was an awesome answer. Due to my extreme amount of high end knowledge, I understood the whole thing. I have never seen such a good explanation of why 30ga wire is so much better than 24 ga wire. I tip my hat to you! Now if I can find my electron aligner, I'll tell you how it works. I found my electrons were travelling through the wire in a helter skelter fashion. With the aligner, they line up and travel single file and don't pick up any extra noise along the way. I should sell the aligners for $100.........

If the price is right, that refurbed NAD specs out very nice. You can't go wrong with the big Outlaw (200 per channel) or the NAD.

99% of the time it is engineering cost. Go ahead and upgrade it to something that you can at least handle without it falling apart. 24 gauge?

You do not need to worry about current unless you are putting a heavy load (low impedance) speaker set on an amp. The amplifier will allow enough current to pass up until it pops a fuse.This happens (usually) during severe clipping when the speaker shorts out from a burnt voice coil. BUT, the ratings on the amp or recievers do mean that the manufacturer has determined that the power output transistors will only take so much heat before they check out. On high efficiency speakers like Klipsch, you can use small output transistors that are in your typical Sony, Pioneer etc unit. They will not however, handle a 2 ohm load without frying quite quickly. Take the transistors on a big amp like a Sunfire or Adcom etc, and the transistors are huge. They will play with low loads associated with high end speakers other than Klipsch. In other words, you get what you pay for. The big amps will put out a lot of voltage usually around 125 volts and lots of current without frying the transistors. A Sony for example will offer around 60 volts and if asked for too much current, will deliver it until the transistors fry. This can happen VERY quick if the impedance is real low around two ohms. Remember, you get volume with voltage. It is the #1 issue for playing loud which also by its nature and Ohms Law means more current too! So, you can hook up a 4 ohm speaker set to an 8 ohm amp IF, and it is a big IF, you keep the volume down which will keep current and therefor heat down too. I hope I haven't confused anyone.....

First off, amps are not voltage constant with current changing. The voltage changes and that is your volume change. As the voltage changes so does the current. So, the calcualtions are easier than you think and the current required for Klipsch speakers is not all that high. Highly efficient speakers do not require a lot of current or voltage. Use your plain jane Power formula of voltage times amps, derived from the voltage and impedance, thereby giving the amps. The only time you need a lot of current and a lot of voltage is if you playing the sound at very high levels. At the 1 watt point, it is a miniscule load on your amp. If you have inefficient speakers of 88db/watt, then you need a monster amp that has high voltage and high current. Luckily most high voltage amps have high current capability such as Sunfires etc. Also, unless you playing with a tone generator, the low ohm dip in most speakers is not relavent. Music and movies are playing many tones all at once so your amp sees a more normalized average load. It will supply all the current you need for the low ohm dip. Remember if it didn't, you would know because it would burn out your output transistors. So, all in all, you get what you pay for![]

There is a big problem with the advice that is given here. Taking max doses of OTC (Tylenol, Advil and Asperin) for any long time is very hard on your liver. Please be very careful with doing this. It is sounds wierd, but for people in much less pain than you were in, I'd recommend the Darvocet or Vicoden as they can easily take a non-damaging smaller dose of medication for the short time they need it. Most people in short term pain slam the OTC stuff like there is no problem with it. Any time you can take a regular small dose of Vicoden or Darvocet and it does the job, I'd recommend it. For long term (and really long term in your case), it beomes a huge pain managment problem that needs to be dealt with by doctors with a long term outlook. Most of them would prescribe exactly what you did on getting off of them and accepting some pain. Just be very careful with the OTS stuff, it is very dangerous over the long term too, if taking maximum doses all day every day. Taking it off and on is a different story, then you are allowing your body to go without which helps your liver. I'm sure glad you have found a way to enjoy life again. Good Luck!

All speaker set ups should be Eq'd in my book. So many speaker problems disappear when they are set up properly. It is time consuming and you need to know how to do it properly. The pay off is amazing. That is why I have a fit when people go to the local store and try to compare two different brands. It is almost impossible. Once setup properly, Klipsch usually sounds as good as speakers costing twice as much, if not better!

Anyone slamming Klipsch is a moron, plain and simple. I can't take the time to write 5 pages on how idiotic they are, wish I did have the time.........

Internet forums are for the most part useless. People repating what they heard from a poster prior to them paaing it on to a new poster. There are some on the Klipsch boards who have listened correctly to many speakers, done lots of testing and can give you real information. You have to remember 95% of the people don't know how to even AB a speaker setup. It is just part and parcel of the audio world.

People bashing Klipsch have no idea how to set up Klipsch speakers. Plus, they are morons. Ask if they like Martin Logans, if they say yes, then you know they are full of it. My Klipsch at home sound exactly like the larger Martin Logans. Oh, did I say they are Morons? 90% of them don't even know how to properly test speakers in a simple AB set up. Whatever you do, buy Klipsch and you will be happy. I wont go on as I could fill up a page on this issue.......

A simple answer is to not worry about it. Play with it if you want to as a fun exercise, but for real listening, just don't even think of it. There are so many things we can measure that have little to no effect on actually listening to music that you can disregard it. Having been involved in double blind studies, there is almost nothing you can do in a "normal" situation to change the sound. 99% of it is in the mind..... The speaker design itself, (size of drivers, design of driver, box design etc) have far more effect than most anything else. You can even fool most of the people most of the time like Bose does. They succeed because it is so easy to fool the brain. I could go on but, I think you get my point. The brain gets in the way of most improvements...........

Use the 250volt safety cap. Good luck!

Set up is EVERYTHING. You can't demo speakers in a store unless you control the set up. The Def Tech to Klipsch comparison sounded like it did do to a bad set up on the Klipschs. I know it is very hard to compare speakers in a store. It is a bad deal all around.

They are worth $200 for the pair and you have to pay shipping. I'll take them.........[]

You could use them with the 4 ohm setting on your reciever. But, this is a good chance to upgrade to some awesome Klipsch speakers. Hmmm......what to buy.......

This is very common in listening to stuff at a store. The setup is messed up, period. I can have near any Klipsch product pounding out the bass with a proper set up. I know Klipsch and I know the bass they are capable of (floor standing models). Pretty much all of them will kick out some serious bass. Also, the bigger the bass driver, the more bass you will get. A 6 inch driver will not match a 12 inch. Good Luck in your listening, but you need to do A LOT more work on having the setup at the store maximized to a 2 channel listening experience with full sound going to each speaker. Also, take a heavy bass CD with you so you can hear the pounding! Good Luck.

I'd recommend the RF-5. Buy them and be happy! Awesome price!

Coytee, can you shoot me an e-mail to Spkrdctr@aol.com I want AOL to put you in my address book. I'd like to talk with you about the options. Thanks!

You did the right thing by listening to each system. If you can't tell a difference, then get the Synergy series and save some money. The Reference series has more expensive drivers and crossovers in them. If you want a speaker setup that you can keep for 15 years, then get the Reference. It will take years for technology to move on from the Reference series. You will be happy wih whatever series you pick. Good Luck!!

Coytee, I also have had all the licenses and agree with everything you said. The pink sheets are much worse than you stated though. The bid/ask spread can be so large that you have no real chance of making any money. The stock prices are manipulated by the market maker of the firm who is running the stock. Florida is the penny stock ripoff capital of the USA. Also, the old lie that all the big names were once penny stocks is untrue. A "real" good stock will come out at a price that is determined by many actors, but most come out between 20 and 50 dollars a share. So, they were never penny stocks. Anyway, the pennies are a mess. I also would never recommend options to someone who is not a seasoned investor and really understands the options game. Nice topic! I enjoyed reading straight from the hip good advice.

KSF 10.5s are awesome. They arre the older version of the new F-3 at Best buy. They will blow you out of the room with bass and pure musical bliss. I'd take the 10.5s in a heart beat.

Well, Michael, Klipsch could offer us all SUB-12s for $350.00 to ease our pain.... I'll take one![]

I say they will all work together fine. Unlike 90% of most of the people here I have found that very high quality speakers can be used in a mixed system and it doesn't affect the sound. Speaker matching in very high quality speakers is less important to me then other more important issues. Such as having a big enough sub etc.

I would recommend a bigger sub. It is the one place where bigger is pretty much always better. Good Luck on your purchase!