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I don't know what Jay481985 is thinking but Rotel goes very well with Klipsch. It is highly recommended by many running that combo on the Klipsch and Rotel forums! Myself included. The combo both give is nothing short of stunning. I ended up buying the Rotel RB-1090 after so many people from the Klipsch and Rotel forums suggested I run Rotel with the Klipsch RF-7 and I've been extremely pleased with both their performance that keeps me wanting to listen more every time I come home from a hard days work. No, you aren't alone in the RF-83 disappointment. I stopped by at the audio place here after work and found they had the new RF-83 in. I have the RF-7 and the Rotel RB-1090 and they sound grand together. We played the RF-83 off the Rotel RB-1090 and switched to the RF-7 while I listened. For me, I was disappointed. They are not better than the RF-7, and I much prefer the RF-7 over the RF-83. They just don't have the involvement to them as the RF-7's do. I really feel that with the RF-7's but not with the RF-83 with how I'm used to. The RF-83's high midrange is missing and thin sounding to the RF-7's sound. It's very easy to hear that the RF-83's HF has been tame down compared to the RF-7's which I don't approve of for my ears, much more involving with the RF-7's HF that I much more prefer. If I were out buying a new Klipsch speaker and heard both the RF-83 and RF-7, my choice would be for the RF-7 without a doubt. I own two pairs of RF-7's and have changed to the Rotel RB-1090 amps, have two RB-1090, the best move I ever made for the Klipsch RF-7 speakers! This combo is so stunning, I still can't believe it. pinipig523, I agree with that, the Rotel RB-1090 is still Rotel's best amp to me after I compared it to the RB-1091 and RB-1092 when I was thinking of upgrading to the new amps but I'm staying with the RB-1090 after hearing the new amps! Luckily you can still get the RB-1090 from Rotel brand new, not sure for how long they offer that, probably depend on sales of the new amps.

It's really best to try and listen to both and then decide for yourself. It's never a good idea to try and do it threw what others like because you are different and what you like may just well be different than what each of us like. I for one had to learn the hard way. I bought the Klipsch RF-7's and then started to listen to users here and other forums how the Heritage line beats the pants off the RF-7's, blows it out of the water that I haven't heard nothin yet until I hear Heritage. Well, I got all worked up about it and in the process I started getting and trying Klipsch speakers, the KLF-30 first, then the Forte II, then the LaScala, then a pair of Klipschorn's and Cornwall II. All of them are nice speakers, all have the Klipsch signature sound but just a little different in just how they make sound. I still prefer the RF-7's over all of them and this took me on a journey that I really didn't need to take or waste the time with but I let others influence me that had no clue just what the RF-7's can be because some Heritage goers have it set in their minds that the Reference line is not as good because it's what they want to believe or it's just the sound they prefer but it really misleads people like myself. So it's really important for you to listen for yourself and decide which you like better, all Klipsch are nice but you have to find which you prefer more of your own liking and not some one elses! Heritage is not better than Reference, they are just a little different but still very much the Klipsch sound that we all love to hear that either will do.

Don't be fooled, the physical limitations you speak of is of no importance, other than listening to false theories in relation to these cones, as they have been very well designed and strengths way beyond most cones, thanks to it's materials used. I originally started out with the RF-5's and then to RF-7's and it took things to the next level. If you have a smaller room, you will be better suited with the RF-5. RF-7's sound best about 12ft. or more from the speakers because of the LARGE sound from them. The upper midrange has been excellent in my system and I'm very pleased, could be you just like the crossover point in the RF-5's better. Going from RF-5's to RF-7's, pleased me well with gains, "bigger must be better" is not the case for I, the proof was/is in the pudding. I'm sure you could tweak the RF-5's as you say to get more towards RF-7's but by time you do all that, you will start getting into RF-7's price and could just skip it and get the RF-7's, or upgrade the RF-5's to the RF-7's threw your dealer as I did back when.

The RF-7's are my favorite Klipsch speaker, I recently bought a second RF-7 pair for a second system in my house. I'm very pleased with them. The RF-7's will give you lots of enjoyment, enjoy!

sunburnwilly, It's the tone in your remarks, your insinuation that the Reference Line is no good, that he should have gotten a used Heritage LaScala instead of his new RF-7's, and to further say they are not Klipsch speakers if it's not a Heritage or Original PWK. Who are you to judge what direction a company takes, especially when they done an excellent job doing it. Klipsch offers a selection of choices, you pick your choice and you pay your money. A company has to be competitive to stay in business and by offering a range of selections, is good business. The Klipsch company is still in Klipsch family hands, and his cousin has been doing very well with the company. It's really sad to come across such posters as yourself that tries to insinuate that the Reference Line (RF-7) isn't any good because it is a new Klipsch product is absurd. It's postings like yours that lead me on a wild goose chase of purchasing Heritage and other past Klipsch products to compare them to the RF-7's, only to find I still preferred the RF-7's over the other Klipsch speakers I compared them to. It would be much more positive and helpful to others to speak of the difference in a positive manner for one to make the right decision when seeking help of what fits more to their liking/preference, and not make negative remarks to those who've already made their decision/choice. You are old enough "sunburnwilly" to know that we all like different things in life, and personal preference is what makes us pick one over the other. Both Heritage and Reference are very good, I like them both, but my over-all preference is the RF-7 so I sold the other Klipsch speakers and got back what I paid for them, but it was a learning experience for me to know the differences. You should try to educate yourself what difference the two are like to be more helpful because they both are very good indeed. Please try and tone it down a bit, people here are really a nice bunch to learn from and converse with. Relax and have fun learning here, I know I have!

imperfectcircle25 - Sorry it's taken me this long to see your message, I've not been in here since I finally got my 2nd pair of RF-7's in. Took the dealer quite a long time getting them in than we thought but his regular rep was out on vacation. I think you might have something about the British sound, I had a long listen at the dealer's with Rotel's top of the line setup and I was impressed. I'm thinking about it! Only reason I gave them a listen is the research I did, the reviews and users reviews have been very positive. I hear maybe half % to 1% difference in the Rotel vs. the Mark Levinson in very faint detail but the Rotel has an overall balance that comes together very nicely that I'm leaning towards. Right before my Dad retired, he upgraded his Stereo 2-channel and passed the ML's to me, he got a great deal on them, his best pal he grew up with owned his own hi-fi store, now sold and retired too. How are the RF-7's coming along for you? Any better?

I'm not understanding the hot top on the highs that people complain about and having to do the crossover change of bringing the the top down some to tame the RF-7's. I do not have this probelm at all with my setup. I admit I am running an expensive high-end setup but I guess to understand why these people are talking about, I would have to put something less quality to hear possibly what they are getting?? I don't know but things are very smooth here and I wouldn't want to bring the top down any and compromise on the dynamics in that area, even if slightly, since I don't have any thing near on the ears as others say they are getting! Possibly for those who run very smooth quality setups would not need such modification, for those who have the highs too hot to handle on their setups, might be a cheaper solution to solve it?? Really makes one wonder! I feel very fortunate not to have any of these problems with my setup after reading all these post here! imperfectcircle25, I've heard many times that Bryston's aren't a good choice with Klipsch, brings them towards the colder bright side. Just remember, no speaker is going to be perfect. If you want to pay more to get more, you surely can but the Klipsch RF-7's give you a lot for you money and it's something that is very easy to settle on for the big performance you get for the price/quality. If you feel you can't be settled because you need that 1% to 5% push more and won't be satified until you achive that, than you will have to spend a bit more. It's all what you really want to do, to make you happy in the end. I listened to many more expensive speakers and even though I was willing to pay more, I did overall like the sound of the Klipsch RF-7's than what I heard offered out there for much more, it was very easy to keep coming back to the RF-7's and really liking them for myself. Klipsch are well known to be forward speakers and for some, they feel that is bright for them, this may be how you feel too. What is great about Klipsch is the forward sound you get but to some, they don't feel that is the great part! I know a lady who has some very expensive speakers and to me, it sounds like a blanket is over them (lifeless), I don't like them at all but she loves them. She hates my RF-7's and told me I need to stick a sock in them so they won't be so revealing, it irritates her. Just goes to show you how different someone likes what you like. I'm getting very pleasing results with my RF-7's and I couldn't be happier. Every time I am out looking and listening during my off times to other systems and speakers, I go away very happy with what I have at home! My girl friend loves the RF-7's too and hasn't found anything she likes better and told me not to get any ideas that they are staying! I very much agree. I also wanted to mention imperfectcircle25 that you should check the back ports on the RF-7 and make sure the foam is not blocking the ports, if so push it back into place. If this happens, it can greatly affect the sound, as I found out when it happened to me, and also make sure all drivers are working.

Wow, what a shame and waste. I really don't see how you couldn't be happy with them. Are you sure you are running the right gear with them? I'm very happy with my RF-7's, infact I'm waiting for my second pair to come in, I'm very pleased with the stunning results I get with the RF-7. Sorry to hear you aren't happy with yours, just don't see how you have come to this conclusion unless your equipment is stopping you from what the RF-7's can really do.

tofu, I've gone through the same thing you have. I've tried a few past Klipsch speakers models and compared them to the RF-7 and I think it's difficult to go from the RF-7 (same for RF-3) to Klipsch Heritage line. It actually will show you just how good the reference line is. You also have to give yourself some time to get used to the Heritage sound as you take-in the differences from the Reference. Expectations of blowing away should not be setup by those claiming such, and should be avoided because it sets up disappointments, the differences are not that BIG! There is no best or blowing away to be had. They are different sounds and there are trade offs for each. You have to pick which one is overall more to your liking that YOU prefer, not someone else likes. Klipsch doesn't make a DOG in any line, all Klipsch speakers are good. I very much like the sound of Klipsch and all models have that very unique distinctive Klipsch signature sound. The Reference line gives you the best of both worlds of cone and horn together with a more full bodied sound, as the Heritage line sound is more airy sounding, I like to use the word airy than hollow or empty as some try to describe it because it's not lacking and not a bad thing, the Heritage is giving an airy sound as how closer it would sound if you were listening to it live, meaning as if you were in the room while they are performing. The Reference line sounds live but more full bodied, not as airy, more like live in a studio accurate type sound. I really like the sound of both lines. My overall pick for myself is the RF-7 because for me it meets closes to doing everything I like in an overall way. If I could take what I like best about both lines and put into one, that would be great! Or you can have both like some do, but I've got to avoid that syndrome! I don't have the room to do that, nor will she like that at home, women don't like to share their space with too many speakers like some of us males. With either line, I find myself sitting and wanting to just keep listening more and more. I really like the Klipsch sound and I'm probably hooked now to only own Klipsch speakers for the rest of my life! Enjoy!

It's not crap, most all speakers that use real wood, are veneer. It's better than the fake wood (vinyl). Being veneer vs. solid wood has nothing to do with your problem. You can't leave something like that or the air gets trapped and causes moisture build-up. I did this very same thing to a solid wood coffee table (mahogany) by leaving a vinyl place matt on it and after a while it really messed it up, leaving a permanent imprint. Don't believe everything someone tells you, the guy didn't make the speaker and sometimes people tell you anything to get your business. If you get out and look at many speakers, you will find that Klipsch did a pretty good darn job for the price!! Some of the reviews give the Klipsch Reference a very good rating for finish, with a quality furniture grade approval. You did good, so don't get un-happy, be happy!!

Nope, not stoned, too quick, sharp, and alert to be stoned. She has a reputation by many to be a very nice person and real, that's what people really like about her and is known to be far removed from any drug usuage, and that my friend is a very good thing for todays times as it seems these days, many people can't be strong enough to be themselves without drugs when being social.

toddvj, well that isn't very nice! Didn't your Momma teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say to keep your mouth shut! I have the CD and it's a very nice easy-listening jazzy style. I was very shocked because I don't care for her past rap stuff but on this CD she really shows her talents that she does have. She's somewhat like Natalie Cole but with stronger vocals. Many people do like her because she has a very easy-going, happy, friendly, and fun personality.

I just compared the Forte II to the RF-7. I'm still very happy with the RF-7! I'm keeping the RF-7!

I originally wanted Klipschorn's but due to problems getting it new from dealers not knowing they could get them, or unwilling to do any discount at all, I got an invite from a nice guy from my area to come over and listen to his Klipshorn's and RF-7. I had no interest in the RF-7 at all but after the long sessions of listening, I came away very impressed with the RF-7 and it was my overall liking very much. -- I bought a pair of RF-7, and shortly after a used mint pair of KLF-20. I could quickly hear the overall improvents Klipsch has made with the RF-7 compared to KLF-20. The KLF-20 sounds great but compared to the RF-7 it becomes thinner sounding and isn't overall great with different types of music as the RF-7 does all music overall very well and I'm very pleased with the RF-7. The RF-7 have a fuller richer sound than the KLF-20 and it's just down right stunning sound with how accurate and true to the original source. I had my sisters birthday party at my house and while people were here, I asked them to listen to a few songs between the two speakers from the KLF-20 and RF-7 and all 8 people that listened, all like the RF-7 better. Said it was a more richer fuller sound. Nice, smooth, creamy, and very detailed. This is the same why I felt too. -- Three days ago, a local guy talked me into trading him my Mint KLF-20's for his Forte II Mint pair of speakers. They look great, he's the original owner and has taken very good care of them. I noticed right away that the mid range on the Forte II is larger sounding and doesn't sound thin like the KLF-20 did but looking at the Forte's horn it has a little bit longer throat and little larger horn. The bass on the Forte II is impressive for a passive radiator type bass. The KLF-20 has a very good clean tight bass and is very impressive too. -- Comparing the Forte II with the RF-7, the Forte II has an empty type of sound when comparing to the RF-7. The Forte sounds nice but it doesn't get as nice sounding as the RF-7 nor as large soundstage. The RF-7 has the ability to have a huge soundstage! It's very accurate and more true to the sound than any of the past Klipsch products I have tried. The singer sounds really real, as if right in front of you singing. The Klipschorn is just too large of a sound to take real because a person in real life doesn't sound that large when singing, so I just couldn't feel it as real as the RF-7's sound. Some guy stated here before that the RF-7 sound dead compared to the Klipschorn, this is so inaccurate. The RF-7 get almost as loud and big as the Klipschorn, just more of a accurate sound and more in line of life size than beyound that of what the Klipschorn's give. I'm very fortunate to have gotten the chance to hear the RF-7 and Klipschorn side-by-side before I bought my choice of Klipsch speakers and I thank Trevor very much for giving me that chance! Thanks Trevor!!! -- Comparing the KLF-20 and Forte II to the RF-7 have been a disappointment for me, I've decided I'm not going to try anymore past Klipsch speaker to the RF-7 anymore. I'm 100% satisfied with the RF-7 and really feel I have hit music nirvana! I have the RF-7 on an expensive high-end amp and the RF-7's have the ability to just keep sounding better and larger with the more high-quality equipment you give it. It recreates a huge soundstage, but only if your equipment can recreate the huge soundstage too. The RF-7 is truely a great speaker and nothing has sounded as good to me as the RF-7 with my setup. I'm very pleased, I'll be keeping the RF-7 for a very long time. I'm going to buy another pair of RF-7 for a second setup for the bedroom that my girl friend wants me to do. I'm going to sell the Forte II. -- For me, the RF-7 is the only way to go. The RF-7 is very detailed, accurate, smooth, clean, stunning sound that still has me in awe, and the bass is deep tight and clean, no sub is needed with the RF-7! There is a great resolution to the RF-7 that won't be found in any past Klipsch product, nor Klipschorn! Klipsch really deserves a great big hand for their work on the RF-7! Strange because that wasn't how I felt at first. I was listening to too many here but learned a very good lesson, you must go out and listen and compare! You must listen only to yourself and what you like. Try and listen to each and decide for yourself and make sure you run with the right quality equipment for any Klipsch speaker!! Always remember, we all run different equipment and get many different results, so I apply that to why we hear so many different opinions on any speaker. Happy Klipsch-ing!

The RF-7 is better overall. It can play any type of music and always sound great. I have the KLF-20 and comparing it to the RF-7, it sounds thin and not as accurate or as realistic to the sound, just not as convincing sounding as the RF-7 are. The RF-7 are outstanding speakers, it's really far exceeded my expectations. It has a fuller richer sound than the KLF, studio quality accuracy, and more real sounding, as if the singer was there singing in front of you. I just don't get this same effect from the KLF, although the KLF models are quite good. I'm going to sell my KLF-20 and get another RF-7. The RF-7 has a more real LIVE sound with how accurate and fuller sounding it is.