ClaudeJ1

Wow. Great story, Gary. It seems to me that PWK always had an attitude of "don't overdesign" from a cost point of view. JBL could be accused of overdesigning beyond their specification. Witness the L200 and L300 (??)..............the more expensive versions using big drivers, magnets, etc. being trounced by Cornwalls at less than 1/2 the price. Klipsch is not quite like automotive electronics, where engineering keeps removing parts until it doesn't work, then you put one back in. LOL. But they don't waste any money getting to great sound, unlike JBL. The Paragon, to me, was more of a wood sculpture that made sound as opposed to a speaker. But it was an absolutely beautiful conversation piece that made nice music, so I'm not trashing it. Khorns are still made, Paragons are not. End of story.

I agree with both of you on the resolution issue, but the power thing is ridiculous. 10 db watts (10x in the denominator) or 10x less power than most spakers for an all-horn setup is all you need. I'm running about 60w/channel in my Onkyo AV receiver. PWK himself insisted that I only needed 17 db of headroom for symphonic recordings, which are the most dynamic. So that means that 20W is the most I'll ever use on the peaks, since I nominally use about 1/4 watt per channel for normal listening. All of the AV receivers from that model year have the same Signal processing electronics, and I have the bottom of the line, power wise. But I'm sure I'm never anywhere near clipping as I try to keep my nominal listening level to about 85-95 db at a 12 foot distance across the front array. the 5.1 rears are Chorus I with a set of Chorus II's gathering dust until I go from 6.1 receiver (used in 5.1 config) to full 7.1. I'm saving for an HD projector, so my 36" tv will suffce. The beauty of this thing is that is allow me to listen to 2-channel with full sound to the corner horns AND my tweaked set of huge VMPS passive subs. I never knew that Khorns needed bass extension and that going flat to 25 hz mattered...............it does. I never like any of the "air pump" subwoofers with built in amps and servo circuits, yuk! Totally unmusical, but the large cone area from the twin VMPS really blend perfectly with the Khorns below about 50 hz.

Is this the smirk of a winner or what? Go Michigan!!

Sounds to me like we need a Michigan unload,j install, and test party, involving the Michigan contingent. Myself, Picky and a few others would volunteer to unload them, I'm sure. Bay City is closer to me than Picky but not by much. Claude

It's nice to read that Wilson got hooked on Audio at 13 years old, when he heard a KLIPSCH speaker on the porch across the street playing Xmas Carols (probably a Heresy I).

Funnier yet. No offense at all. I'm like Don Rickles I poke fun at everyone, including myself. Maybe it's the same waitress from Montreal who was asked "Do you have frog legs?" she says, "No I always walk like this."

They used to offer 50% off to all employees at the dealers. Wonder if they still do that to give incentives for the sales people............"So, what kind of speakers do YOU own?" I asked the sales clerk.

Now THAT is funny!

Being a Quebecois transplanted to Detroit, would the two cancel each other out if I moved to California??

Sent you a PM Claude

I asked PWK back in 1985 why the Heresy had no insulation. His anwswer was "I wanted a pure capacitance in the box." He then started doing some high level math and lost me. Jim Hunter designed the new woofer and tweeter in the Heresy II, and possibly the rubber thing, as I recall, but I could be wrong. Claude

The Jubilee is easier because it has no compound angles. The bass horn expands in the horizontal only, with a fixed vertical dimension throughout except near the throat.

Independent tests have confirmed that Apple's AAC compression CODEC is inferior to MP3's Variable Bit Rate, which when done right, should be indistinguishable from uncompressed PCM of CD. Apples AAC was designed for FAST Download, NOT high fidelity, since they make their billions from the iTunes, not the iPods. If a $300 iPod can hold 10,000 songs, and you pay 99 cents each for them, it's easy to see where the real money goes. It ain't about Hi Fi in that camp of 14-year olds. When I got my Khorns in 1977, I was appalled at the crap quality of vinyl at the time. Warped, noisy (ticks and pops) because they were not using Virgin vinyl and cranking out the Pop stuff as fast as they could, beating the heck out of the "master mothers." MP3's when using the latest flavor of the LAME tools in hight VBR are very good, indeed.....................but, Apple is the marketing giant, now. Hi Fi has always taken a back seat to popular notions for sure. Even at it's worst, iTunes sound a lot better than my non-Dolby cassettes of the late sixties or the Dolby Cassettes of the 70's, which was the only option in a car. All of it is much better than the big Koss headphones I attached to my Zenith AM radio when I did my paper route, so we shoudn't really complain. Acceptable sound today is much better than it was 30 years ago, except for a few choice high end vinyl recordings, like the Sheffield Labs stuff.

Mr. NOS. On one hand, what you say is true, but I would also say that's an exaggeration by who told you that. Apples and Oranges comparison at best. without a gain equalized A/B in the same room, it's not as valid an opinion. Especially since the main focus of the mixer was CONVERSATION. So how can you assess the nuances of a speaker just thrown into an availalbe room as opposed to one with Auralex room treatments on a speaker that has been tweaked for 60 years? Those playing fields are not level nor are they in the same stadium. Only a side by side comparison would suffice to make that comment accurate, and I doubt that we would arrive at the same conclusion. There was too much going on with too many people for that to happen. There is no doubt that the Jubs, even in a less-than-ideal environment with lots of noise, showed potential to, dare I say it, displace the Khorn as the King of the Hill. For some people on this board, that has already happened. There must be a reason why PWK wanted to go back to a 2-way. Commercial application is the right place for the Jubilee, and for those who want that sound in their home, it's certainly available. But, as we all know, the taste and style of the general public has moved towards tall and skinny speakers not big horn. That has always been reserved for we, the borderline fanatics, in terms of relative sales volume. Those are the market realities. I know that we don't care, but 99% of people out there would question our sanity to begin with and would never do what we do because they don't love music enough to do it. Physics is physics, and the Jub is a better solution than Wilson's hand tweaked, multi-kilowatt, $100,000 speakers, which is reserved for those who want to brag about how much they spent rather than get the very best, most dynamic, most lifelike sound for the money. It was obvious to me that no super tweeter was needed on either one, and that the 402's large size gave your a much smoother sounding top end. But the little 510 was amazing also. I believe in Roy's Tractrix direction and that time will prove him correct. He certainly had the blessings of PWK to go in this direction and I wholeheartedly believe that PWK would have evolved his work in horn development in the direction that Roy is taking it, if he had lived a few more decades. OK, I'm off the soap box for now.

Interesting co-incidence. I first heard Khorns at the Hi-Fi workshop when they were still on 7-mile rd between Southfield and Greenfield. I had a paper route and the station was in the alley about 3 blocks away. I used to go in there after my route. It was about 1967 or 1968, after the riots. They were actually in the window, so you could see the backs of them while going by. The guy played jazz or classical, which I wasn't into remembering who it was, but I did play trumpet in Jr. High, so I knew what horns should sound like. It was like they were right there. I use 2 Eliminators and some borrowed 511 B's with Altec 808-8a's to augment my own home made monster cabs (20 Cu feet each) containing 511/808/421-8h/EVt-35's which I built when I was 19. I was a DJ before the Disco Era, McIntosh, Dynaco, Southwest Tech Amps, Crown R2R.......long story........Sold those to get the money to go on a honeymoon. I was 23 years old when I bought my first Khorns in 1977, Hi-Fi Workshop on Woodward (followed by a Center LaScala a few months later). I had my wife co-sign for a loan and I ordered them about 2 weeks before our Wedding. They came in when we got back and the mobile home park I lived in was never the same after that day. My wife cashed in a whole life policy to get me a Sony CD player when they first came out in 1983 and I went to Almas to buy her Heresy's for Xmas that year. Hi Fi workshop had closed and co-incidentally, I photographed Alma's owner's son's wedding (Jim Weigant and his Grandma Almas was still around with great stories about the beginnings).

Well if you have two 8 ohm woofers in parallel, they will look like 4 ohms to the amplifier, each sharing the current. You can make a taller box and move the tweeter higher. Two 12's have more cone area the one 15, so the IM distortion will be lower or you can have lower bass at the same distortion, or louder at the same distortion.You can have slightly different woofers, where their characteristics wold blend into a smoother sound. Need I say more?

It depends. How much is an image worth to you? The people looking into the super expensive speakers are merely purchasing the image that goes along with the aesthetics and pricetag - not necessarily performance. If you're intrested in performance and the image, I can think of a Klipsch speaker that will run about $15K that will blow everything outta the water. Or you could spend about half that and get the same performance without the pretty look to it... OK, so what is $15k and blows everything away (or the 1/2 for that matter). MWM's???

Well I did try to keep it to a minimum, so that is all I shot. I usually get paid to do photos in my studio and locations, so I didn't want it seem too much like work. LOL.

I heard he had the other(s) strapped to his ankle to see how shock resistant they were COOL pictures Claude!! That's funny! I did enjoy the vaccum pressure he installed by drilling a hole on top of the instrument panel of his Mercedes. He was a good friver at 81, but was really upset that he re-took his physical, and passed, for his Pilot license renewal, but they woudn't, as he put it "take away the flunk."

At the table by the bar, it's ClaudeJ1 intensely listening to the 510 Jubs over the crowd noise, thinking damn, I guess these things really don't need supertweeters!

Remote House of Klipsch

Trey's the MC and we had lots of laughs.

No one is sleeping up there, honest!

Fred Klipsch makes enlightens us on modern trends in dealership and distribution (a real businessman).

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