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---------------- On 7/15/2005 4:37:41 PM DrWho wrote: ---------------- On 7/15/2005 4:29:11 PM tkdamerica wrote: My other guess is that 99.9% of women haven't HEARD a nice audio system. Put the question the other way around--What would happen if you replaced your system with Bose? I bet those stats would change! ---------------- I don't think it'd be worth taking the risk... ---------------- My money is on Klipsch--I agree with the majority of the posters that the "99.9%" # is skewed, at least on THIS board. Take the risk Doc

---------------- On 5/28/2003 6:36:03 PM kjohnsonhp wrote: I'm still thinking this is a good idea...maybe I'm off base, but the idea of a greatest hits seems useful. I just don't want to read through all the threads looking for the gems. ---------------- Just put "deang" in your buddy list and you will never have a problem finding gems.

---------------- On 7/16/2005 12:53:43 AM BetaTester wrote: What media do you have that was encoded in 7.1 format? I think you already have the answer to this question! ---------------- Not talking about Mikie's situation but 6.1 material in general--I have read that 2 speakers recreate a better scenario for rear channel sound than a single speaker in most situations.

---------------- On 7/16/2005 7:12:03 PM Mikekid wrote: To compare these receivers is pointless...two completely different price/performance classes. That was my point........... Take care Mike ---------------- I was a newbie at the time I bought the Yamaha and at the hands of the salesperson. When I bought the Denon I was somewhat more knowledgeable. The above mental process was done AFTER the fact. If I knew then, what I know now, I would never have bought the Yamaha. That was my point. I want someone to learn from my mistake. I had the chance to buy either one on the initial purchase. They were in the same showroom. I was looking at Watts per channel and didn't understand how those numbers worked--I have since learned. Like you said they are two different machines, but not necessarily to a Newbie {edit: BTW, I have nothing against Yamaha}

---------------- On 7/16/2005 5:12:35 PM Mikekid wrote: Isn't the 3803 about $400 dollars more than the 800?? Mike ---------------- I paid $775 for the Yamaha RXV 800 and $850 for the Denon AVR 3803. If I bought the Denon first, I wouldn't have needed to upgrade.

Even if they weren't damaged it would be in the catagory of "slightly" crazy idea

No!!! Look again. Those woofers are damaged and it looks like It's been tossed around

Not being a Cornwall owner it took me a while to "tap" into this thread. I prefer my own Home-brewed Raspberry nutbrown ale. Since I haven't brewed in a few years I enjoy and highly recommend "Belhaven Scottish Ale." My favorite lager is "Carlsberg" (Danish, I toured the brewery in Copenhagen). There is no better light beer than the Dutch "Amstel Light." Yep. A proud American who loves to tour Europe. The best way to do it is with a backpack and a tent, drinking the local brews at the campsite....aah. Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention Jack

Wow! A belated congratulations on your 3000th post Indy and your 4,000 post Colter! You just made me realize that I missed my 5 year anniversary on this forum a couple of days ago Of course I didn't make my first post until 6 months ago. I logged on almost daily, but didn't indulge until I felt the need to express my opinion--It's been downhill ever since.

---------------- On 7/16/2005 9:48:24 AM JBRichter wrote: If I remember correctly, I bought my RC-7 and RS-7's to match my KLF 20's because I saw the RC-7 being recommended as a match on the Klipsch site. That was quite awhile ago. I think it was just after the discontinuance of the KLF-C7. In any case, I think it sounds great and blends in just fine. In the end, it's how it sounds to you that counts. JBR ---------------- It sounds like you have a nice system. I agree with you. IMO, Klipsch products mix and match well especially if the alternative is either doing without, or going with another company's speaker.

---------------- On 7/16/2005 3:01:28 AM dragonfyr wrote: Damn I HATE these cable debates. With as effectively as Monster has convinced so many with their advertising - despite just about every reputable online forum trashing the exotic cable myth - I just hope they never rent out their marketing machine to politicians! As I fear they could make even the left wing liberals - oh, I forgot they don't exist anymore - the 'progressives' (now there is an oxymoron!) - and the religious right wing 'liberals' appear reasonable! A truly scary thought! ---------------- Hmmmm...Not as much as you seem to enjoy stirring the waters when it comes to political discussions As a person who is liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal matters, I like to support my local electronics salesperson by buying Monster cable products from him. Given the markup on these products, He keeps me coming back by giving me a substantial discount. A very productive and symbiotic relationship. BTW: Welcome to the forum Lenardie

---------------- On 7/16/2005 1:20:55 AM dragonfyr wrote: As so many make this claim, I would love to know what distinguishes Denon's topology from the competition - and how it is so radically different from other SS and Tube units. .... I would love to have the subjective difference quantified into something substantial. .... And the alternatives where the separates jump up substantially in price are not justifiable by me simply to watch movies and special effects. Inquiring minds want to know! ---------------- Well, I would love to be the one to explain "the subjective difference quantified into something substantial," but technically I'm not the one to do it . Let me try to give my subjective explanation and a weak attempt to explain it technically: My personal experience with the Denon-Yamaha debate. The short part of a long story is that I bought a Denon 4802 R for my main (but small) HT. I was/am very happy with it. I moved my Legend based system to a large Workout room along with my Yamaha RXV 800. It sounded OK at lower volume, but it didn't fill up the room. When I turned up the volume it got fatiguing to my ears very quickly. I went to my local tweeter and got a deal on a pioneer (don't remember the model #). When I cranked up the volume to get it loud enough it shut down on high dB passages on movies right off the bat. I took it back and got the Denon 3803. As soon as I hooked everything up and watched a few movie scenes and listened to some music at levels that were very loud and enjoyable compared to the other 2 units, I realized this was the keeper. I wondered why (obsessed may be a better word) the 110 watt per channel Denon sounded better than the 100 watt per channel Yamaha. I got out the spec sheets and went down the list. The 2 things I found were: 1) The Denon was a heavier machine weighing in at 36 lb. vs. the Yammi's 28 lb. My conclusion was that Denon used a heavier brick or their amplification section was more substantial. 2) The main thing that caught my eye was the Power consumption number of the machines. Unfortunately I don't have the number of the Yamaha in front of me, but the Denon 3803 is rated at 7 amps. If memory serves me correctly it was almost 2 1/2 times higher than the Yamaha. Then after researching why people bought separates it appeared the common denominator was higher dynamic range through high current design. When I asked why these separate amplifiers were so heavy, I was told because they needed to be to deliver efficient power (of course I have just recently learned of the sunfire amps). Well, I put 1 and 2 together and developed my opinion. I am in complete agreement with you on the cost/enjoyment justification for buying separates. I don't feel the need to go that route yet. {BTW, It wasn't as much of a religious epiphany for me when I changed receivers as much as a wood getting experience, if you get my drift.}

My room is slightly smaller than yours and I have the setup listed below. I have a high A-Frame ceiling in the main viewing area, with a smaller area behind me with a low ceiling. I am glad that I added the 2 channels for my 7 channel set up (9 actually during movies with my Denon, which allow for 2 side surrounds;-) but I can't say it was a dramatic change for most material (but noticeable). I have no suggestions what I would use in your situation. My gut reaction would be not to use anything if your seating position is against the rear wall. To me, the only other options are, in ceiling or WDST technology--but I don't have an informed opinion with mixing Heritage and those 2 technologies. Good luck and congratulations on completion of the major work. It must sound nice (understatement, I am sure )

I don't think I am going to be able to help, but I am curious. How high is your ceiling. How far away are your center channel and side surrounds from the central seating position?

---------------- On 7/15/2005 9:01:45 PM kentmjohnson wrote: Just curious what you run your bass and treble settings at? I run mine at +2 bass and -2treble and they still seem a bit bright and definitely lacking on the bass side(I have a cement foundation that doesn't help plus I run the old AVR-3300 receiever.) ---------------- Sorry. I don't know anything about that model. Maybe I shouldn't have replied in the 2 channel section. {edit:BTW I have my bass and treble set at "0"} The foundation in that HT set up is cement also, and I have the ksw-15 with it. Insofar as the bass is concerned crank that bad boy up if it's not cooking. I had a Yamaha receiver in that configuration before and it was bright--Since the Denon 3803, No problem.

---------------- On 7/15/2005 8:43:15 PM johnyholiday wrote: go for it, i live in your area, if you don't like em i'll take em off your hands, getten them local, your in the pocket!get fired up man!put 760 bucks in one pocket, an 240 bucks in the other, an let em know it's hurting to pull it out ---------------- Mr. Holiday playing hardball! I like it!

---------------- On 7/15/2005 8:36:19 PM jt1stcav wrote: Sure would love to hear from the few female Klipsch Forum members what they think about the situation; from a woman's perspective if you will... ---------------- If I remember right, the only reason Tawny and Tickles hang around Thebes, was because of his sound system. That's just what I heard...I don't know if they qualify for forum members or if that is even true...

I almost don't know how to respond. Some may think they sound TOO good. Oops, that would be me. I have a 5.1 system using the Denon 3803 with KLF-20's/KLF C-7/ RS-3's and a KSW 15 in a 1600 sq. ft room and it sounds great! I have 2 other Denon/Klipsch systems that also sound phenominal! That being said I haven't felt the need to upgrade to Parasound, however I have heard good things about their combination. [edit: I realize this was a 2 channel post, but wanted to put in my .02}

Never mind.

---------------- On 7/15/2005 5:42:16 PM Jay L wrote: unless space is an issue, use another klf-20 or 30 as your center. it will best the C7 by a long shot. or a heresy II even sounds better than a c7. i was using a HII for about 6 months before i made my klf-20 center channel. ---------------- Congratulations on building your own center channel. Why would you say a Heresy II would sound better than the KLF C-7 which was specifically designed to go with the KLF 20's? I own a KLF C7 and it sounds pretty darn good!

---------------- On 7/15/2005 5:03:52 PM SteelerFan wrote: ---------------- On 7/14/2005 8:20:33 PM picky wrote: .... The man had a stellar voice. -IMHO. ---------------- Yes, in my view he is irreplaceable and I still think it should be left alone. ---------------- I agree (as stated above) completely. Maybe they should change the name of the group to "Somewhatlacking,"

---------------- On 7/15/2005 4:51:40 PM Audible Nectar wrote: ---------------- THAT'S what I am talkin' bout Now I am ready to try Dean's idea with the KHorns.

---------------- On 7/15/2005 12:35:37 PM jpm wrote: care less about a nice audio system? How can they be happy with a Bose Wave radio or less? Discuss ---------------- My other guess is that 99.9% of women haven't HEARD a nice audio system. Put the question the other way around--What would happen if you replaced your system with Bose? I bet those stats would change!

---------------- On 7/15/2005 12:48:47 PM DeanG wrote: I don't know -- I say 99.9% care a great deal. Watch what happens when you try to drag a set of Klipschorns through the front door. ---------------- Wow! That may be something I want to try... If she doesn't respond favorably, my excuse would be "Sorry Honey, I thought you were one in a million (or one in a thousand for this example)

---------------- On 7/15/2005 11:43:15 AM Cal Blacksmith wrote: ...I have a RX-V 750 and have no complaints with it at all. Yamaha makes good recievers regardless of those who push Denton on this board. You can still get good sound with your unit but you will need to work at it harder... ---------------- I agree Yamaha makes good products and said so in my post . Insofar as my Denon(s) are concerned I prefer them over the older yamaha's because of MY experience. YMMV. If I didn't think so I would not have upgraded 3 receivers and have 2 Yammi's sitting in my garage. {edit: I hope your suggestions helps this forum member}