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  1. According to Roy, the new Jubilee has no need of a subwoofer, since its output is flat down very low frequencies. Apparently its new bass cabinet does amazing things. As for me, I’ve got both La Scalas and La Scala IIs, and have operated both of them in a variety of configurations: stock, bi-amped with K510 horns with K-69-A drivers, with K402 horns with K-69-A drivers and now with K-691 drivers. For subs, I’ve had one, then two, Yamaha SW-90 subs (8”, 90 watts), a Paradigm PW-2100 sub (10”, 400 watts), one, then two, Paradigm Seismic 110 subs (10”, 850 watts). What I’ve found is that with La Scalas, the more sub power you have, the better. To be fair, the Seismic 110s also go much deeper, 18 Hz vs 23 Hz for the PW-2100, which makes a very noticeable difference. The La Scala starts to roll off at 100 Hz, and gets pretty low by 50 Hz. It really needs the help of a sub. However, how much subwoofage is needed depends on what you like to listen to. For acoustic folk, the small subs are fine, while for most other types of music the 400-watt sub is a bare minimum, and the 850-watt sub does a better job, letting you hear more of the music, especially the low bass, of course. For movies, especially action thrillers, the more the better, depending on how realistic you want your explosions to sound, from pretty loud to scare-the-neighbours loud.
  2. There are different ways to approach a speaker purchase. One way is to decide what you want to spend, and then find speakers that fit in under that limit. Another way is to decide which speakers you want, and then find the money to buy them. That’s the way that will give you long-term satisfaction. Trading your way up is another way to go, but it has two flaws. First, you spend a lot of money, time, and energy, buying and trying to sell speakers that aren’t exactly what you want. Second, the time you could have spent enjoying your dream speakers is lost listening to the “also-rans” and “not-quites” Sorry if I and some others seem to be hard-core enablers, helping you to spend your money, but it’s really a case of “Jump in! The water’s fine!” However, the way to put a toe in the unfamiliar water is not to buy some test or proof-of-concept speakers, but to listen at every opportunity to the speakers you’re curious about, so you get some idea of what you’re getting into. Kick some tires. Maybe there’s a Forum member or two not far from you who’d like to show you their pride and joys. I’ve welcomed three different Forum members to my place so far, and been invited to the homes of other members. There’s a reason you keep hearing about Heritage Series speakers. More than one reason, actually. First, they’re Paul Klipsch’s speakers. The Man Himself designed them. Second, they’re the most sensitive Klipsch speakers, so they’ll give you more volume per watt, meaning you can get great sound, with low distortion, high clarity, and all the volume you’re likely to want, without having to buy an expensive monster amplifier. Third, they’re made in the USA, so your speaker purchase, even of used speakers, creates jobs for your fellow Americans, and keeps money inside the US, where it helps the economy of the country. How can a used speaker do that? Well, buyers of those big new expensive Klipschorn AK6es, La Scala AL5s, Forté IVs, and so on, often finance their purchases by selling the Heritage speakers they already own. That’s how you become an enabler!
  3. If you want some good Klipsch speakers, nothing else will really really satisfy you, so if you buy “something else just for now”, your enjoyment of your system will be compromised, plus the money you would have had to put toward what you really want will be gone. Patience is your friend. Start setting aside some money every month while you’re checking out the various online sites. As you spot Klipsch speakers for sale, you’ll get a feel for prices in your area. Don’t forget US Audio Mart. Back in 2008, I was able to find a pair of 1989 Heresy IIs for only $280 (IIRC) on Canuck Audio Mart, a related site. Sure, that was unusual, but if I hadn’t been looking, I would have missed that deal. I upgraded one of those speakers to Heresy III spec, and I used it first as a centre speaker, until I got a Belle Klipsch to fill that spot, and now the H2/H3 is in the rear centre spot for 6.2 duties. Patience and research are the tools that will let you find a pair of speakers that will make you smile every time you listen to them. If you can set aside only $100 a month, in a year you’ll have $1200, which could be enough to buy you an older pair of La Scalas. That’s what I paid for my first Klipsch speakers, a pair of 1974 La Scalas, which I’m still enjoying. I listened to them for months in as-received form, then I did some upgrades, as my budget allowed. It can be done, as most Forum members would agree. Remember that Heritage speakers almost never need to be re-surrounded, since they use doped-paper surrounds on their woofers, like musical instrument speakers. Keep in mind that La Scalas, and other Heritage speakers, are big and heavy, so they’re difficult (but not impossible) and expensive to ship. Also, most audio fans these days are used to smaller speakers. As a result, the larger Heritage speakers tend to sell locally for less than the seller would like, and some sellers have no idea what they are, or what they’re worth. That’s the nature of the market. As well, it means that if you’re willing to take a trip, you can sometimes bring home a great deal. Keep looking, and keep saving, and you’ll have a pair of La Scalas sooner than you’d expect! EDIT: The Forté II and Forté III speakers have really good sound, and are more compact than La Scalas, if you have limited space available. Their bass response goes deeper than La Scalas, so they often don’t need a sub, while La Scalas really benefit from a sub in a home listening environment, as opposed to a club sound situation. The Klipsch Chorus speakers are also worth a look and listen.
  4. The lighting is probably what makes the difference. In my living room, the main lighting comes from a pair of table lamps, one on each LS2 cabinet, behind each 402 horn, each on the outboard side, i.e. nearest to the side walls. Since the lighting comes from behind the horns, and the wall behind the horns is a very light colour, everyone who sits in the room becomes an unintentional hole looker. Having a pair of less bright lights behind the sofa and armchair doesn’t make much difference. It’s a subtle thing, but one visitor to my room mentioned it, so I wasn’t imagining it, and some other 402 owners on the Forum notice it too. Mark, your whole system seems to be front-lit, so yeah, your holes, I mean your 402s’ holes, would be harder to see. And you probably like it that way, right?
  5. That would be a mantel, or a mantelpiece. "Mantle" is a cloak or similar piece of clothing. There's also the geological mantle, which is below the crust of the Earth.
  6. Why not grab some tape, cover the holes, and see for yourself? Two or three weeks should be long enough to see if you look at your 402s any differently with the unused mounting holes covered. Size is likely a factor in this mysterious area, since the 510 horns didn’t seem to cause the slight discomfort that the “holey” K402s do. YMMV (Your Mind May Vary), of course. It could also be a sense of incompleteness that we’re seeing with the unused holes showing. Something nags at us faintly that the job is only 99% finished, that something should be be bolted onto those flanges, but we’re not sure just what. Roy assures us that an extended baffle is unneeded when these horns are part of a pair of “underground/original/Pro Theater” Jubilees, or Jubescalas/JuBelles, etc., so that can’t be it. Some folks may feel the “room dominance” effect, some may feel the “incompleteness” effect, some may feel neither, while some folks may feel both. In any case, this is something that can be quickly, easily, and cheaply fixed. How often do we hear those three words in a description of a speaker tweak? Go for it!
  7. I think it would take some extremely sensitive testing gear to measure any difference from plugging the 402 flange holes, if there is even any aural difference at all. The only difference that I noticed was emotional. Something about the look with the visible holes disturbed me slightly, and covering the holes completely fixed that. The visual size of those big horns does have an effect on people. I can remember some owners saying things like "the darkness at the middle of the horns was like looking into the Bat-Cave", so they'd like to put some kind of grille cloth over them. Everyone is different, so if minor tweaks like that make you or your partner more comfortable and less distracted from the music, that has to be a good thing.
  8. Back in 2008, I picked up a pair of 1989 Heresy IIs near Vancouver (the one in BC, not the one in Washington State) for $275CAD. I couldn’t believe the price on Canuck Audio Mart, but since I was going to the mainland anyway, and I’d be close to the seller’s address, I stopped by for a look. He’d just painted them with flat black paint, but they sounded fine, so I bought them. He had lowered the price, but found no takers, so he lowered it again, then I spotted his ad. The seller needed the money to help pay for the La Scalas he had just bought. Classic! I still have them. Sometimes apparent bargains are what they appear to be.
  9. I’ve got a pair of 402 horns, and they have an undeniable presence, especially since they’re wider than the La Scala IIs they’re sitting on. However, I found that by covering the empty bolt holes, they somehow appear less sinister. Is it because they then become simply shapes, rather than objects or devices? I don’t know, but it does cause a positive change in my mood. Some other Forum members have noticed this same effect on their 402s as well. Some have used plastic plugs normally used to attach automotive trim panels, while others, including me, have just applied squares of black sticky tape, like ductape or gaffer tape, to the back sides of the horn flanges. Either method works.
  10. It’s not a case of the subwoofer cabinets vibrating or the subs sucking, it just seemed like a simple way to reduce any structurally-transmitted vibrations from travelling to the neighbours downstairs. It was not tested, but seemed like it should reduce any sensations of deep thudding bass late at night, in the case of the bedroom system. Also, bringing the subs nearer to ear level allows them to run at slightly reduced volume, which helps keep the sound in my room, where it belongs. As for the main system in the living room, although the effects of floor bounce may be greatly minimized at the lower frequencies, due to the large wavelengths of deep bass notes, moving the subwoofers off the floor was one of those “maybe the effect is minimal, but why not do it just in case” tactics used by those of us who don’t have the benefit of advanced testing equipment and the expertise and experience to use it. As I’ve said before, sometimes it takes a 10% change in a system to make an audible difference, but if you make 5 improvements that contribute 2% each, the sum difference can be audible, making those mostly theoretical changes worthwhile, even if any one of them is below the level of audibility. Of course, those numbers are theoretical, too, and are just used to make the point, not to form the bedrock of an unassailable argument. While it’s not lab-tested proof, the fact that I’ve never had a noise complaint, in spite of running a 1000 wpc horn-loaded system for 15 years in a condo apartment, gives some indication that the simple sound transmission reduction tactics employed do seem to be effective. That’s all.
  11. In my own experience, with a pair of JubScala IIs (highly modded bi-amped La Scala IIs), and a single 400-watt 10” direct-firing sub, all was well. It produced what seemed to be a fine amount and quality of bass-range music. Then, I decided to replace that sub with a more modern 850-watt 10” direct-firing sub from the same company, Paradigm, because I felt that I’d been missing the lowest octave of music, since the new sub went about 5 Hz deeper, 18 Hz versus 23 Hz. While the new sub did go much deeper, with more authority/power, now I had an extreme (+20 dB) bass peak centred about a metre/yard in front of the sofa. At first, I wondered if my favourite Net Radio station had cranked up the bass for some reason, since I often passed through that space during the day and couldn’t help noticing the odd bass-heavy sound in the room. Then I realized that it was happening in just that area and figured it out, so I bought and installed a second matching sub, another Paradigm Seismic 110. Now, the bass sound level was consistent throughout the room, plus the added power gave the sound a fuller, more rounded, more realistic feel. This is what I was after! Now, the system had a sound that seemed complete in a way that I hadn’t heard before. It’s like it was the missing link that allowed the system to finally reach its potential, as a satisfying sound that had been just out of reach all the while. Your mileage may vary, of course, since your room and your system is different from mine, but maybe this bit of knowledge and experience could be helpful to you in your quest for great sound.
  12. I’ve been using a Shure M97xE cartridge for 15 years (replaced the stylus twice), which has an elliptical stylus. I suspect that the stylus rides at a different height in the groove than the styli on cartridges I’ve used in the past. It’s just a theory of mine (or hypothesis to a scientist), based on the fact that scratches are less audible with this cartridge, and the difference is obvious on some of my older LPs. It makes for more pleasant listening.
  13. Sometimes it does seem like “Echoes” does have some filler in the middle, but the lyrics are great: And through the window in the wall Come streaming in on sunlight wings A million bright ambassadors of morning For just one small sample.
  14. Aww, that was sad to see. I hope you can get them replaced soon. The 402s really do sound great, even better than the K510 horns. The EQ for them is kind of complicated. I started out with K-69-A drivers and K510 horns, and tried to set them up by ear, which didn't work out too well. "Shelving filters, anyone?" It was over my head. Then I got the proper settings and punched them all in, but even so, I still needed help to integrate the Electro-Voice Dx38 processor (this is what Roy used before the Xililca was available, so that's what I got), which uses pro voltage, into my home system, which has a 6 dB difference in the voltage it uses. Sorry for the poor explanation, but life was simpler after I got an ART Cleanbox Pro, which is a matching unit exactly for connecting pro sound gear to home audio systems. If your preamp has balanced (XLR) outputs, and your processor/EQ unit also has XLR connectors (I don't know if the Xilica has them), and so do your power amps, then there's no problem. Everything will probably connect just fine, but in my case I'm using an AV receiver as a preamp, so its RCA connections are not what the Dx38 wanted to see. That's why the Cleanbox was needed, but it wasn't very expensive, at about $90CAD, plus another $70 for a pair of XLR interconnects. It also reduces the faint hiss that you might hear from the drivers on the 402s, which is another benefit.
  15. I think the black paint was a Valspar product.
  16. I wasn't able to log on for over a week. I'd get the list of Sections. but when I clicked on any of them, I'd get "This File is Not Active", or something like that. After about five days, even the list of Sections wouldn't come up, just a warning that this site was not trustworthy. It was like the whole Forum had disappeared. Klipsch Service was still open, but clicking on Community would just bring up the FAQs, with no mention of the Forum. Then I took a last chance on October 23rd or 24th, and Googled Klipsch Forum, and there was the Forum, back and big as life! That really made my day/week! Was it like that for everyone else?
  17. Me neither, but the song is so silly that just trying it makes me laugh. I'm not familiar with Focus's other music, which may be much less silly. And thanks for posting Tarkus. That really is an iconic song/LP side. I played it for my nephew and tried to explain why the inside double-width image doesn't need any words. I think he got some idea of what I meant.
  18. I was just listening to Hocus Pocus by Focus on Radio Paradise, and thinking it would be amusing to ask someone unfamiliar with the song to sing along with the vocals. Then I tried it myself, and it was pretty amusing. Try it yourself. Focus - Hocus Pocus:
  19. Start with the simple and inexpensive possibilities first. Check for a loose connection. Maybe one of the screws that hold down the connectors on the tweeter leads has loosened gradually over the years, and is finally loose enough that the connection is broken. Have you had these speakers for long? With older speakers, it’s often a good idea to go over all the connections, loosening and then re-tightening the screws. This may break any corrosion that has formed, and allow for a good connection once more. It’s even possible that one of the tweeter leads are broken. If the break is under the insulating jacket, it won’t be visible, but gently moving the wire around to see if the tweeter cuts in and out is a quick and easy way to check the wire. Anything made of wire can fail at any time. This includes the voice coil of the tweeter. If there appears to be no problem with the wires, then check the tweeter itself. An ohmmeter can tell you if current can get in and out of your tweeter. If you disconnect the tweeter leads to isolate the tweeter and then connect the meter to the positive and negative leads, you should get a resistance between roughly 3 and 10 ohms. Note: this is resistance, not impedance. Resistance is DC, while impedance is AC. If the number is more like infinity, something is broken in the tweeter. Those are the most basic checks. I’m sure you get some comments from members with more knowledge and experience than me. You came to the right place for help. Welcome to the Forum!
  20. So now I’m curious. What does “De Kat Zat Op De Krant” mean? Thanks.
  21. I thought that was pretty whiny, too. He claims that he’s embarrassed because the whole world has seen his infant wiener. Big frickin’ deal! We’re guys. We don’t care who sees our genitals. Some of us, the ones with very poor judgement, send pictures of our tackle to women, and maybe even to some men. Jay Leno even had a pose during a joke to represent a guy “showing off”. He would stand with his hands on his hips, with his elbows back and a proud/smug look on his face, and would turn first a bit to one side, then a bit to the other side. The meaning was clear to everyone, but it was not rude, merely a bit risqué. BTW, I use the term “tackle”, rather than the more common “junk”, because that term seems really disrespectful to some of the most popular, sometimes even kissable, parts of our anatomy. It’s equipment to do a job, e.g. tackle, and hopefully it does that job well. Junk, on the other hand, is usually ugly and undependable. And no geriatric comments about that last sentence, please.
  22. It can be hard to believe that both books were written by the same man, until you realize Starship Troopers is satirical, something that doesn’t really come across in the movie. Stranger in a Strange Land is definitely my preferred book, of those two Heinlein works.
  23. ^^Agreed^^. They’re your speakers. You own them, not the other way around. Enjoy listening to your La Scalas, and by spending time on here you’ll get lots of ideas, along with seeing what other happy Scala owners have done. La Scalas were the speakers that prompted me to find the Forum, and it’s been a great fifteen years here. Congrats on getting your great new-to-you speakers, and welcome to the Forum!
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