Kevin S

I once had a 50" "tabletop" RPTV positioned on top of two LaScalas, used as center channels, and it worked fine. However, since a single LaScala is only 2 feet wide,I do not think one would be big enough to place any reasonably sized TV on. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Ray, I am sorry to have put you thru so much trouble. I hope you are right, because I am not a good enough mathematician to know if you are wrong! But I did kind of remember from reading somewhere that -75db was a very low percentage of distortion. Thanks for an effort beyond the call of duty! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I always enjoy spending other peoples money. What are our options/restrictions as to speaker placement? Floorstanding, bookshelf, wall mounting etc? As for TV's, I do not think it makes any sense to invest in a 4:3 TV for a home theater environment. For my money, even though direct view sets still have a bit of an edge in ultimate picture quality, for home theater, bigger is better. So I would get the largest 16:9 projection sets that fit the budget. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I am of the opinion that Klipsch has succumbed to marketing a tie in with Monster Cable that could be good for them from a sales standpoint by, unfortunately, claiming benefits that PWK would never endorse. The Klipschorns I bought in 1985 were wired with the old fashioned thick Monster Cable. Nowhere in any of the literature I had back then was this mentioned, nor were any claims of improved performance made for it. The owners manual said that a high quality cable should be used when connecting the speakers, but that lamp cord would provide satisfactory performance. Frankly, thick Monster Cable was an improvement at the time compared to the thin wires most of us were using. But it was better simply because it was thick. My point is that PWK did not claim any magical benefits for the use of the Monster Cable. I think that the overwhelming majority of people would be well served by purchasing the least expensive 12 guage copper cable they can find in their area and be done with it. I cannot, however, really argue with those who do not feel this way as long as they are spending their own money on their own purchases. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I am sure that I am asking for trouble from those of you that understand the Nelson Pass article better than me from an electrical standpoint, but here I go anyway. My take on the article was: 1. If a cable has a benign combination of inductance, capacitance and resistance, it will have little effect on measured or audible performance if the length of the cable is short. 2. The longer the cable run, the thicker the cable needs to be to minimize resistance and measurable and audible effects on frequency response. 3. If you mess around with the inductance of a cable intentionally, you may get a different "sound", but you might blow up your amp! Since the frequency response charts shown in the article appeared to be 40 foot runs of 18 guage cable, I thought I would look up some wire guage recommendations relative to length etc. from a far less esteemed source (Radio Shack) to see what they recommend. In a book entitled "Installing Home Theater" from 1998, they specifically recommend against 18 or 22 guage wire. Here is what they recommend for runs of up to 100 feet when connected to 8 ohm speakers: 25 watt amp-16 guage minimum 50 watt amp-14 guage minimum 100 watt amp-12 guage minimum They recommend that you use the next thicker wire if you have 4 ohm speakers. So from this laymans viewpoint, if you use 12 guage cable, and your run is less than 100 feet, you've pretty much covered your bases. To be honest, these conclusions regarding thickness and length are the same as I remember them when I started in this hobby about 30 years ago. And I suspect that these conclusions were known to someone at Bell Labs in the early part of the century. So when Monster Cable started out all of those years ago promoting their thicker wire, that was probably a benefit to the average consumer. Most everything else that has transpired since then is (to put it mildly IMHO) scientifically suspect. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Ray, Any idea how to calculate the solid state db figures into percentages to correlate to the tube figures? My recollection is that noise 75 db down (which I think is the worst case for both solid state amps, I can't really make them out very well) is a very small percentage. If I'm right, I think that all of the amps you have shown have inaudible distortion at 1 watt and below. And if the distortion is below audibility, my guess is that it doesn't matter whether it measures "hashy" or "smooth". Inaudible is inaudible I would think. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Klipschguy, You may find my post uner "Tube Amp Neophyte" of interest. Then again, maybe not. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Just out of curiosity I have looked up the manufacturers THD spec's for the two solid state amps I own. They are as follows: McIntosh MC7205: ".005% maximum at any power level from 250 milliwatts to rated power per channel from 20Hz to 20,000Hz, all channels operating." Rotel RB-956AX: "no more than .05% (1 watt per channel power output, 8ohms)." Then I played a couple of song excerpts loud enough to measure about 80-82 db at my listening position. The power output meters on my McIntosh showed readings. of .2 of a watt to just under 2 watts. My take on all of this is as follows: 1. Even if the distortion of my two amps was 10 times greater than that specified, it would be an inaudible (IMHO) .5%. And it would have to be 50 to 100 times worse to get to the level of most of the single ended low powered tube amps that I have seen specs on. 2. At normal music listening levels (75 to 95 db peaks) with speakers as efficent as our Klipsch's, I do not believe that the THD from either the low powered tube amps, or solid state amps would be audible. It would only become an issue (IMHO)at listening levels that, long term, would damage our hearing anyway. Just my 2 cents, FWIW. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

My recollection of the many distortion graphs that I have seen over many years in audio magazines would not bear out the high distortion at low wattage statement. But I am making this statement from memory, and there may have been exceptions that I did not take note of. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Danartdis, Over the years I have become an agnostic concerning the arguments about the differences in the way electronics "sound". I cannot prove people don't hear what they say they hear, and they can't prove that they do. So I will not enter that discussion. I can tell you some of my experience I once owned Dynaco ST-70 tube amps that drove the Klipschorns I owned at one time, and later, a pair of Legacy Focus speakers. To my ears, the only diffrence in the sound produced compared to my solid state pieces was related to various strange noises that the amps emitted at random internvals. Perhaps my ears are not "golden" enough or my auditory memory is too short, but that was my experience. I will say that, IMHO, there are valid reasons for tube amplifiers to sound different from solid state. These reasons relate to how the high output impedance of some tube amps can effect the frequency response of the speaker it is connected to, the fact that many tube amps do not have a flat frequency response themselves into reactive loads, and that most tube amps have distortion levels that are actually higher than the Klipsch speakers many of us use. I do believe that there are people out there with hearing sensitive enough, and systems transparent enough to discern these differences. Whether or not you would hear these differences, and feel that they are "better" is something that I do not think any of us can say. You will have to try for yourself, just as I did. I hope that this will be of some help. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Deang, Naturally, apology accepted. I guess I proved (at my own expense) my own point about how easy it is to misinterpert the written word! Someday I'll get the hang of this. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I think it matters regardless of speaker type because I believe that bass frequencies are omnidirectional and therefore wrap around the enclosure and reflect off of the walls, floors etc. This is why you get a bass boost by placing the speakers on the floor, closer to the wall or in a corner. The more room boundries involved, the greater the boost. Naturally all of this changes the speakers overall interaction with the room and causes more or less deviation at certain frequencies depending on the speaker and room. If I do not have this 100% correct, I am sure someone will correct me. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Gee, I have never said all speakers sound the same. Where did that come from? I never even said that all electronics "sound" the same. I just said that I get "attacked" when I express an opinion different from those who say that they all have a "sound". It was not my intention to elicit comments about the above issue, and since that was not the topic of this thread, I'll not comment further. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

MaxG It has been my experience that meaurements at the listening position have a much larger frequency response deviation than most of the measurements that manufacturers make or that are found in audio magazines. And that my ears are amazingly accepting of these deviations. This has been true of all of the speakers I have owned and all of the rooms I have measured in. Also I have found that speakers are much smoother thru the range of 500hz to 10khz at the listening position than they are outside of that range. The response in the area of 63hz up to 500hz seems to be the area of the widest deviations. So I use my ears to achieve the imaging and midrange/high end balance I want, but use meaurements to determine placements for the bass response of the main speakers and subwoofers. Experience has even narrowed this down considerably because I have found that bass response up to 80 hz or so is much smoother when the sub(s) are placed in the corner(s). And the 63 to 500hz area mentioned above smooths out when the main speakers are away from the walls as much as possible. Also I have found that when tuning bass by ear, I have ended up with boosted levels in the 63 to 100 hz range and depressed levels below 50hz. I guess my ears are more sensitive in that range. When compared to the bass balance after measuring, my "by ear" bass is much boomier and less detailed. So in general, when setting up my speakers, or those of a friend, I start out: 1. Main speakers as far into the room as practical, toed in to minimize side reflections, mid range driver at about ear height, and no farther apart than the listeners distance from them. 2. Subwoofer (if using one) in the corner. 3. Measure the bass and adjust sub (or main speaker placement if no sub) for smoothest output from 40hz to 80hz, fine tune toe in and speaker seperation by ear. Doing this I have found that you can get amazingly good sound out of about any set of speakers. Most lousy sounding speakers are a result of lousy room/speaker interactions due to set up, IMHO. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for all this info. I just got on a roll! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

On the BB's that I have posted to, including this one, there always seems to be a small number of people who are intolerant of others opinions. Whatever they claim to hear is the only "truth" and has to be accepted simply because they say it is so. And their opinions are to be accepted as "fact", whether or not they can be proven scientifically. This is just individual personality traits I suppose. Couple this with the fact that it is very difficult to communicate subtle nuances with the written word and it seems that civility can come to an end more quickly than if the same discussion was being held face to face. Sometimes the posting of this minority gets so out of line that I have to stick my nose in and speak up. For the most part, however, I have found that it is best that I only post on topics that involve equipment I have actual experience with, and I avoid posting to topics where I would have to give an "opinion". I quickly grew weary of being attacked, especially when my comments did not tow the "audiophile" line. Areas that involve the "sound" of electronics and cables are areas that I really try to avoid. Overall, I have found this board to be more civil than most. Probably because we all have a common "Klipsch" thread tying us together. If you really want some fun, go to a BB that focuses on planar speakers and tell them that horns are the only way to go! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Having owned Klipschorns, LaScalas, Cornwalls and Heresy's at one time or another, I agree with Ray that the Heresy's maintain similar overall characteristics to the others. The main difference among all of them is in the bass. Mids and highs are very similar. I believe that the lack of bass is why some people feel that Heresy's are "bright" sounding. So if they are used alone, I feel that corner placement is almost a necessity for the Heresy's to meet their published bass limit and to not sound "bright". Freestanding in my room, they have a serious drop in output under 80hz. IMO if you use a sub, like I do, that becomes a bit of a non-issue, and you end up with a large percentage of the Heritage sound in a smaller, less expensive and easier to place package. Hope this helps. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I once used two LaScalas for the center channel, with a "tabletop" 50" TV on top of them. I had no problem running them at all. However, I have found that if you position two center channels speakers to the sides of the TV, it pulls the dialog to the side of the TV that you are sitting on, if you are not sitting dead center. I found this unacceptable, and it must be the reason that the center channel is always recommended for on top of the TV as the first choice, and below it as the less satisfactory alternative. Hope this helps. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Having owned the Cornwall, LaScala and Heresy's, I would say it depends on how far you will be seated from the speakers. I have found that the Cornwalls and LaScala's need to be 10+ feet from the listening position. So if you are seated near the rear wall on the 14 foot length, with your speakers against the wall at the opposite end, you should be good. The Heresy's seem to be OK from about 7+ feet. All 3 of these speakers, but especially the Heresy, will need to be up against the wall or in the corner for the best bass results, IMHO. Hope this helps. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I use Sterophile Test CD #1, which I purchased years ago, but I believe you can still find it at Stereophile.com under "recordings". ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I thought this might be of some interest to Heresy owners. Decided to do some subwoofer level adjustments and take a few measurements at my listening position. My room is 20 X 24. I sit about 14 feet from the front speakers. They are about 21 inches from the front wall(which is the short wall) and 6 feet from the side walls. They sit on the floor on Klipsch slant risers. Using a Stereophile test CD and a Radio Shack SPL meter, here is how the front Heresy's measured on their own, with my processor set to "large" fronts and all other speakers set to "off": 1khz: 80db 200hz: 72db 160hz: 70db 125hz: 78db 100hz: 80db 80hz: 74db 63hz: 72db 50hz: what 50 hz? I think this lack of bass when positioned out from room boundries may explain why many people think Heresy's sound "bright". I did not take the time to move them against the wall or in the corners. Frankly, this is the worst measured vs specified response of any speakers I have had in my room. Including Klipschorns, Cornwalls and LaScalas. I know I am not measuring exactly like the factory, but I have never owned a set of speakers that measured so far off of their specs at my listening position. Even my former Maggie MMG's measured flat to 63 hz and were only about 5 db down at 50. And people say they have "no bass". Luckily, with the subs, I get 25hz about 4 db down (76 db) relative to 1khz, and 31.5, 40, and 50 & 80hz all flat (80db). 63hz is about 5 db up (85db). So with the subs I actually end up with fairly deep, and very smooth bass response. Since I had always planned to use the subs with the Heresy's, and my processor's rolloff is 80 hz, the Heresy's poor bass performance really doesn't matter for me. But I thought others might find it interesting. As always, your speakers in your room will vary from mine, so do not take this as gospel, just something to think about. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Wired1 wrote: "If you disagree with something I said then post your opinion but dont' be a "do-gooder" and run to someones defense. THats part of the problem on here.." The problem is that when I posted my opinion, as I did above, I get the type of response that you gave. I'll leave it up to others to choose the proper descriptive adjectives to assign to your response. And nowhere in my post did I run to Bob G's "defense". I simply stated that I believed him and gave my reasons why. And we sure do not want the board to be over run with "do gooders" now do we. It is my opinion, that people who truly do know what they are talking about, and/or that truly do want to hear others opinions, do not respond to posts in the manner you do. So let us have the serial numbers so we can find out who really knows what around here. Otherwise, I too will endeavor to not to respond to any more of your posts. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Wired1 I think Boa12 is on to something here. If Bob G. says they are not producing LaScalas, I believe him. Manufacturers are not generally in the habit of telling people not to bother to try buying their product. I would suspect that your dealer tracked down a pair that had been sitting in someone's inventory for quite some time. However you ended up with them, congratulations would normally be in order. But the really rotten attitude you generally display towards others in your posts make it impossible to do so. I normally do not post criticizing the manner in which another expresses their opinion. However, this post of yours should not pass without comment. Even if it turns out that Bob G. was somehow incorrect and your LaScala's snuck out of the factory somehow, your post shows that you are indeed "clueless" when it comes to how to communicate and interact with people. All of us have, on occasion, made posts that have been perceived by others to be insulting, inflammatory or whatever. Normally this would not be the intent and is simply a by-product of having to use the written word to convey attitudes and feelings. That is not easy for most people. However, many of your posts are obviously intended to insult, belittle and inflame. That is a shame when the rest of us seem to get along so nicely. This is just an observation and my opinion and I hope it will be taken constructively. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I have three Heresy's in the front, with RS-3 surrounds and HSU VTF-2 Subs that I am quite happy with (for now!). ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

If you cannot place the Klipschorns in a corner with walls that extend out uninterrupted for 4 feet or so, do not bother with them. Unless you want to build "false walls", but I'll have to leave any guidance on that up to others who may have done it. My experience is that bass from horns, because of their efficiency, is much less distorted than bass from direct radiators, especially at higher volumes. But even at low volumes, horn loaded bass is very detailed and natural sounding. But subwoofer technology has come a long way in recent years and a properly placed quality subwoofer will do an excellent job and could be the equal of horn loaded bass in the right setup and within it's volume limitations. Just my 2 cents. I hope this helps. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

FWIW, it is noted under the specifications shown, item #1, that the driver is mounted on a B&C ME-45 horn. So it is not the raw driver. Always read the fine print! Item # 4 speaks to how the sensitivity is measured. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000