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Are the consumers able to differentiate between "good and bad" peaches? At what cost are good peaches available in the market and are bad peaches an acceptable substitute? Is a good peach a good peach if you have no economic way to consume it? Was SONY Beta better? SACD players can now be had for $150, this was not always the case. Are SACD recordings priced the same as CDs? IMHO the entire CD format needs to go out the window and be replaced with DVD for everyting. I would love 2 ch DTS I don't know, but I suspect that the original recordings are fine, and HD, and have whatever dynamics the artists invested them with. Then, in the stage we used to call "sweetening," which might now be called "****ing over" I think they compress the dynamic range, transfer the now flattened music at the highest possible recording level, and somewhere in the process reduce the detail and the warmth, etc. Then, if we are thinking of CDs, they transfer it to a 16 bit medium which is may be audibly worse than all of the previous media in the chain. I guess what I was hoping for was some kind of audiophile version -- they could make hybrid disks with the SACD layer having the uncompressed version, and the CD layer being as squished up, loud, and harsh as they want it to be. Wouldn't this let them cater to two different kinds of consumers at once, having their cake and eating it too? Here is where Adam Smith's market check on quality fails in the modern world. If the market effectively demanded high quality -- they way people used to taste, say, peaches at a fruit stand, buying them only if they were tasty -- that would be the quality check. But there is only one piece of fruit being offered -- one CD containing a certain performance of a certain group of artists -- or, perhaps more accurately, most of the fruit is bad and if you want a certain song, there is usually no choice, therefore no market check, and the version being offered is not usually exactly a peach. I don't think it's going to change until someone comes up with a way to make the higher fidelity recording option more profitable. As a consumer, the only way I know how to do that is to intentionally go out of my way to support the artists that do a good job - and intentionally not buy the artists that don't take control over it.

Perhaps you need to offer private music appreciation lessons? Maybe a classic? For the middle of the day;......... Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries............ The ............. Classical version instrumental The .................Movie version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGBDWER-wUI&feature=fvst And ..................the now classic conslusion to the lesson!!!! For the encore performance......maybe a sing along? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKAH_t0aXA ................ will keep the neighbors guessing []

IMHO there are a number of issues: Some recording artists are excellent musicians, some suck Some recordings are excellent and some suck. Some of the old Mowtown recordings, the singer has more range than the recording equipment. Some recording engineers are great at their jobs and some suck. Some producers are great at their jobs and some suck. Assuming that you take all of the above at great, and compress the recording down in bit rate you get what is known as quantinization error. As the points get spread out the processor and software are making bigger and bigger assumptions and averaging to produce a sound. As a rule no compression good, compression bad. The best sound that I have heard bar none, is DTS master audio. I wish everything were available on DTS. As to the IPOD MP3 market, people without much money who listen to bands and songs that I don't feel particularly attracted to. Look at the top sellers, all of the above are targeted towards the MP3 device and audience. I had a college girl sell me the Yamaha integrated amp (mint totl) for $70 that her father had given her along with the #2 Yamaha tuner of the time for another $30. She had a basic I-phone with stock cheapo ear buds and had zero interest in her fathers gift. This woman was 26 and a grad student. Smoking hot red head, I was willing to learn to appreciate cheapo earbuds, but her I-pod listening husband wasn't having it. I bet for the music she listens to, it sounds the same on a $30K stereo or cheapo ear buds, it was conceived, composed, played and mastered for $2 ear buds. My two cents...........

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Welcome aboard, 20 years from now you will still be saying WOW every time you turn them on. Bob Crites sells slant risers, unfinished at a very reasonable price. Start calling around to local veneer shops, they may be willing to peal the veneer off and re-veneer for not too much. $100? The classics are Walnut and Cherry IMHO.

I'm in the Chicago area if that's local and will take them if the first person passes on them.

NJ

Curious, how do you know how many they have or have had on hand? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx When my first crushed unit showed up, I had already sold my sub-12 to a friend, so I worried that I would be wooferless if they ran out of stock. The agent assured me that they had 1000 on hand and 1400 arriving any day, so no worries. They are flushing out the supply-distribution chain at the end of product life. They will build and refirb every unit they can so they eat nothing. UPS is a different story, they are eating a lot of these that they crush. Apparently, they ship things like speakers in the same trucks as transmissions and engine blocks, who is going to lose that one when the truck starts bouncing? My local packer and shipper told me that if its fragile they ship only Fedex ground since they use separate trucks for industrial vs home packages, a few cents more per box but worth it.

Somewhere I read that if you call Klipsch they will send you a new grill. I don't think the shipping issues with this product are going to be new information for them. Let us know what they send.

What does UPS do with the units they destroy. They eat them 100% They are sent to some building where they examine the problem aka we dropped the unit off of the loading dock from 5 feet up and smashed it, or we put it in the bottom of a truck that bounces up and down a lot with tons of stuff crushing the bottom boxes or we drove a fork lift through it. Lots of ways to kill a box.

Its the end of the product run for the sub and they are clearing out the supply chain. Newegg, had 2400 on hand a couple of weeks ago.

3rd subwoofer was the charm. UPS delivered a damaged box, but this sub-woofer survived the journey. So I finally have one.

Bought 1 a month ago at $350. Arrived crushed. New Egg sent replacement unit. Arrived with broken grill and cracked side. 3 rd unit shipped yesterday. Lets hope its the charm. Yes they are detailed,but don't shake the place the way my sub-12 did for movies, but yes better defined bass strings. My shipping experience is apparently common with UPS and this unit

Thanks, let me knock the cob web out of my head. SONET This was never my protocol, from your post I seem to recall that timing is derived from syncing with timing bits that are embedded in the protocol. So it counts X-bits then re-aligns the timing with bit number X. Then you have all of the framing issues so you can keep the various signals separated out to whatever granularity you are looking for. The last time I looked (12) years ago the SONET chip sets were being brought out to front end DWDM short and long haul multiplexers, thus having it both ways with error checking and the elimination of all of those repeaters. The next time I swing by the library I'll pick up a copy of Toss-link timing and protocols for dummies (me). What ever happened to over-speeding the links and using buffers to smooth out the data flow to the DSPs while allowing for error correction ala HDLC, the good old days. I'm starting to think my property management gig is rotting my brain.

I'm not sure what Flac is, you can tell me. Windows Media allows you to rip lossless files, check out the option when you go to rip At some point I will have to study the protocols, but is the CPU converting the various storage formats to some standard format that all sound cards understand? If the CPU is converting the protocols to some standard then you need the SW for WinMP to do the conversion Flac to ? Good luck, you app doesn't sound like its unique.

I was reading the PK Dope from Hope news letters today. His room wasn't much bigger. He was a big fan of putting the horns in the corners of the long wall, Pk designed the horns

PCs make a lot of electronic noise that is primarily contained inside the metal box. If you are running metal wires out of the box, there is always a chance they will pick up the stray electrons and give you noise. Optical connections isolate the units from each other, no metal wires. I keep hearing about phase jitter problems on toslink, this is a new issue to me. Is there an inherent problem in locking the clocks on toslink? Most of the voice and data networks in N. America are optics based and work just fine. I use toslink, sounds fine to me, maybe I'm missing something. I also use USB to feed an external sound card for my promedia's, works fine. Good luck

Heresys have 12 inch woofers, if you boost the bass you will be surprised how much they can pump out. Are you planning on buying new Heresys? or snapping up used? As was suggested, if you still need more base snap up a used Synergy sub 12 450W. You can always buy some used La Scalas and get glass tops for them so mom can put the lamps and pictures on them, no plants. Here is a picture of mine in the living room 17 x14 approx. http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000EI3TZ6/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0 The 15 inch woofers will rock your world when you get em going.

I downloaded PKs Dope from Hope papers and am reading them. He repeatedly states his concerns that 100W amps will tear Klipsch drivers apart with surges if anything goes wrong with the amp. He states that 25 to 40W is plenty to protect the speakers and suggests that quality is better than quantity for Watts. I keep the gain at 50% on my Mac Stack Amp as a safety measure. Hope this helps.

This owner and some friends made a DIY repair site for Promedia Speakers. I'm guessing that any name brand certified stereo repair shop can repair these locally so why ship them to TX? Check the Pioneer, Marantz etc web sites to see where the authorized shops are and take your blown amps there. www.thompdale.com/bash_amplifier/bash_amp.htm Plan B, as has been suggested buy a 5.1 receiver with remote, connect the 5 speakers 30 Watts each, 4 ohms (not 8), and pick up a used woofer off of Craigs list locally. This may be the best way to go once your promedia amp is fried. Used receivers that are pre HDMI interfaces sell at steep discounts.

http://www.thx.com Great place to research a THX rated receiver, the rating means something Also a good article on Amplifiers on wikipedia addresses tube vs sold state amps concerns like TIM distortion

Found a Marantz model 9 mono triod amp pair on Audiogon. $15K http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1326486298&/Marantz-Model--9-(Original)-tu Found a Crown D-60 on e-bay that replaced according to the PK letter it for $125

Thanks, I read the letter from PK. If I read it correctly; He states that abandoned tubes for solid state and that he owned a Crown D-60 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crown-D60-Stereo-Amp-/150690227702?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item2315d665f6#ht_2075wt_1388

Any suggestion on the 2A3 amps, manufacturer and models? How much is reasonable? I looked and there are a lot of them out there. Is 8 watts RMS enough? Thanks

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1327118180&/Pioneer-Elite-vsx-94txh- This is a good example of a quality receiver for little money. My guess is that the owner is selling to get the latest codecs for blu ray. IMHO this would knock your socks off with your speakers. Audiogon is a good place to shop for units like this.